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Oh come on England, seriously!; Some fun news articles
Topic Started: Sep 9 2009, 08:42 PM (750 Views)
Ulgania
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Hats banned

Anti stab knives! I guess I'll have to start slashing then. It's much more efficient as it is.

Can't wear stab proof vests for that matter, which doesn't matter since I have to start slashing.

Scouts can't have knives in the wilderness, but what if wildlife with teeth that scratch and claws that bite show up? Or someone with a stab-proof knife decides to slash you?

Fire extinguishers are now fire hazards. What should the 17 year old use to keep the house from burning down then? Ketchup?

Nope... minors are banned from buying ketchup.
Edited by Ulgania, Sep 9 2009, 08:43 PM.
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Menhad
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These are just to sad/funny to be fake :lol:
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Hmm I wish I had invented the anti stab knife. It looks easy/crude enough for someone like me to invent without any engineering training and I could get paid royalties.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Sep 9 2009, 09:20 PM.
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Man, I'm glad I live in America :D

First Britain loses gun rights, now ketchup, hats, and knives for boy scout's are banned.

England Really sucks.
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The hat one pisses me off. Extremely. :furious:
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Ulgania
Sep 9 2009, 08:42 PM
Not news. Hats, hoods and helmets are always being banned over security fears.
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Anti stab knives! I guess I'll have to start slashing then. It's much more efficient as it is.

To try to kill someone, stabbing is actually much more effective. Slashing is still best for wounding. But if you look at the curvature of the blade you'll find it'd be rather difficult to slash someone concurrently. Add to that the weighting of the blade and you've almost certainly got an ineffective weapon there. Not saying you couldn't kill someone with it - and you can certainly would someone with it - but it's not that deadly. Anti-stab knife is a good idea.

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Can't wear stab proof vests for that matter, which doesn't matter since I have to start slashing.

Actually, stab vests are pretty effective against slashing - assuming you're being slashed across the chest (of course, one of the reasons why stabbing is more lethal than slashing is because you tend to slash the head and extremities). This article I'm outraged over, however.

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Scouts can't have knives in the wilderness, but what if wildlife with teeth that scratch and claws that bite show up? Or someone with a stab-proof knife decides to slash you?

Scouts couldn't carry knives for a long time. We've not been allowed to harm wildlife for longer. The recent total ban is, however, dumb.

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Fire extinguishers are now fire hazards. What should the 17 year old use to keep the house from burning down then? Ketchup?

I know how to use a fire extinguisher safely. Can you really name all the different types and on which fires they should be used? Seems legit to me. In most cases you shouldn't try to tackle a fire.

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Minors were using ketchup to vandalise. The stores selling ketchup agreed not to sell it to shifty looking youths (not even a total ban). The vandalism stopped.

No laws were passed. No universal ban. Stops crime. Good idea in my mind. That's a responsible business model.
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You have valid points, but all my bits of commentary aren't serious. Although American stupidity is often what you'll find on our side of the Atlantic. Most of the English jokes go towards an over-protective government, which you have to admit is getting a little beyond a good business model.
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Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the lurkiest of them all?
How many stabbings are there in the UK per capita, as opposed to gun crimes in the US per capita? I'm not expecting a certain outcome, it'd just be interesting to see.
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Sep 10 2009, 09:09 AM
How many stabbings are there in the UK per capita, as opposed to gun crimes in the US per capita? I'm not expecting a certain outcome, it'd just be interesting to see.
I don't have stabbing figures but we can compare violent crime rates:

UK (2009): 2,034 per 100,000
USA (2007): 467 per 100,000

And homicide:

USA (2007): 5.6 per 100,000
UK (2009): 1.49 per 100,000

****

The UK has the worst violent crime rate in Europe. We beat out South Africa. But people don't die. Why? Because our violent crimes aren't done with guns.

If guns were legalised in the UK (as they should be), violent crime would plummet as the two-bit cowardly thugs that plague us realise their lives are on the line. But our murder rate would shoot up.

Government control isn't helping crime in the UK, but it's saving lives. Make of that what you will.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Sep 12 2009, 09:43 AM
Abnar
Sep 10 2009, 09:09 AM
How many stabbings are there in the UK per capita, as opposed to gun crimes in the US per capita? I'm not expecting a certain outcome, it'd just be interesting to see.
I don't have stabbing figures but we can compare violent crime rates:

UK (2009): 2,034 per 100,000
USA (2007): 467 per 100,000

And homicide:

USA (2007): 5.6 per 100,000
UK (2009): 1.49 per 100,000

****

The UK has the worst violent crime rate in Europe. We beat out South Africa. But people don't die. Why? Because our violent crimes aren't done with guns.

If guns were legalised in the UK (as they should be), violent crime would plummet as the two-bit cowardly thugs that plague us realise their lives are on the line. But our murder rate would shoot up.

Government control isn't helping crime in the UK, but it's saving lives. Make of that what you will.
Hmm, a toss-up really. Do I want to be safe, or do I want to be alive?? If I am alive but not safe is living worth it? A bit of a cunundrum that I shall contemplate for a bit.
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I've been involved in my fair share of "violent crimes". Everything from murder to a drunken brawl is a violent crime. Some are terrible, some aren't that bad, some are kinda fun (and practically victimless).

If we had guns, I imagine we wouldn't have nearly as many violent crimes. Thugs would be scared. Dumbasses like myself would be scared. Honest folk would be happier.

But more people would be dead.

That said... people can be educated about guns. Guns can be controlled. Gun crime can be tackled and reduced. Gun crime is something that can be fought effectively.

Trying to police violent crime on the scale the UK has is almost impossible and hugely costly. But if the people were given guns... that's a cheap solution.

I think arming the populous is much better for crime. People just have to be correctly educated and not saturated by fear and violence.

For example (and I expect Paradise to jump down my throat for this):

Canada has a privately owned firearm for every family.
Canada has a murder rate of 1.8 (2006) - about the same as the UK.
Canada has a violent crime rate of 886 (2006) - less than half that of the UK.
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Britain is crazy violent.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/britain-reaches-top-most-violent-country-list


I really admire the Swiss though.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/guns-crime-swiss.html

especially the compulsory military service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland

I want to go to a Schuetzenfest ^^
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Nag Ehgoeg
Sep 12 2009, 09:43 AM
Abnar
Sep 10 2009, 09:09 AM
How many stabbings are there in the UK per capita, as opposed to gun crimes in the US per capita? I'm not expecting a certain outcome, it'd just be interesting to see.
I don't have stabbing figures but we can compare violent crime rates:

UK (2009): 2,034 per 100,000
USA (2007): 467 per 100,000

And homicide:

USA (2007): 5.6 per 100,000
UK (2009): 1.49 per 100,000
Homicide rate is correlated with race. You have to remember about 50% of murders in the US are committed by black people (mostly against other blacks), though blacks only make up about 10% of the population.

I would bet the homicide rate for non-mestizo whites in the US is similar to the homicide rate in Europe or Canada.
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Sep 13 2009, 02:58 AM
Nag Ehgoeg
Sep 12 2009, 09:43 AM
Abnar
Sep 10 2009, 09:09 AM
How many stabbings are there in the UK per capita, as opposed to gun crimes in the US per capita? I'm not expecting a certain outcome, it'd just be interesting to see.
I don't have stabbing figures but we can compare violent crime rates:

UK (2009): 2,034 per 100,000
USA (2007): 467 per 100,000

And homicide:

USA (2007): 5.6 per 100,000
UK (2009): 1.49 per 100,000
Homicide rate is correlated with race. You have to remember about 50% of murders in the US are committed by black people (mostly against other blacks), though blacks only make up about 10% of the population.

I would bet the homicide rate for non-Hispanic whites in the US is similar to the homicide rate in Europe or Canada.
not just homicides, but crimes too. Black people have the highest percentage in prison, over 40%
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Hispanics are also well represented in prisons.
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Hispanics are also well represented in prisons.
haha, maybe we should save this for another post
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I'll start the thread

The KKK thread
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Sep 13 2009, 03:16 AM
I'll start the thread

The KKK thread
whoa, maybe not that far :lol:
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Sep 12 2009, 10:37 PM
Britain is crazy violent.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/britain-reaches-top-most-violent-country-list


I really admire the Swiss though.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/guns-crime-swiss.html

especially the compulsory military service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland

I want to go to a Schuetzenfest ^^
Been to several, and they are fun! It's the only place I've ever been punched in the nose and laughed about it, but that's another story!

"I'm a fat, old Southern sherrif and my wife say's I'm impotent,
And it's getting so that I don't give a damn.
But I feel so high-and-mighty
In my pointed cap and nighty,
I'm so glad I got a chance to join the Klan.

(Chorus)
Join the Klan,
Join the Klan,
I't the sure and easy way to be a man.
What do ya say, join the K.K.K.

I'm thirty-three years old and I'm in the second grade -
I'm older than the teacher don't ya see.
But now I feel grand
Since I went and joined the Klan
I'm so glad the Klan has found a place for me.

(Chorus)

The fellas used to tease me, and when they did I often up and ran,
But now there so impressed
'Cause I get to wear a dress,
I'm a man because I got to join the Klan.

(Chorus)"
Courtesy of Spanky and Our Gang
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Sep 12 2009, 10:37 PM
Britain is crazy violent.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/britain-reaches-top-most-violent-country-list


I really admire the Swiss though.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/guns-crime-swiss.html

especially the compulsory military service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland

I want to go to a Schuetzenfest ^^
Been to several, and they are fun! It's the only place I've ever been punched in the nose and laughed about it, but that's another story!

"I'm a fat, old Southern sherrif and my wife say's I'm impotent,
And it's getting so that I don't give a damn.
But I feel so high-and-mighty
In my pointed cap and nighty,
I'm so glad I got a chance to join the Klan.

(Chorus)
Join the Klan,
Join the Klan,
I't the sure and easy way to be a man.
What do ya say, join the K.K.K.

I'm thirty-three years old and I'm in the second grade -
I'm older than the teacher don't ya see.
But now I feel grand
Since I went and joined the Klan
I'm so glad the Klan has found a place for me.

(Chorus)

The fellas used to tease me, and when they did I often up and ran,
But now there so impressed
'Cause I get to wear a dress,
I'm a man because I got to join the Klan.

(Chorus)"
Courtesy of Spanky and Our Gang
do they have any Schuetzenfests in the states?

and that sounds like great story.
we should have like a story telling thread..... :gnarkgnark:
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There are several Schuetzenfests, in Wisconsin, and other mid-western states. One I attended was in Altemont, Illinois. Very good time! I got very, very drunk! Very drunk.
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Tristan da Cunha
Sep 13 2009, 02:58 AM
Nag Ehgoeg
Sep 12 2009, 09:43 AM
Abnar
Sep 10 2009, 09:09 AM
How many stabbings are there in the UK per capita, as opposed to gun crimes in the US per capita? I'm not expecting a certain outcome, it'd just be interesting to see.
I don't have stabbing figures but we can compare violent crime rates:

UK (2009): 2,034 per 100,000
USA (2007): 467 per 100,000

And homicide:

USA (2007): 5.6 per 100,000
UK (2009): 1.49 per 100,000
Homicide rate is correlated with race. You have to remember about 50% of murders in the US are committed by black people (mostly against other blacks), though blacks only make up about 10% of the population.

I would bet the homicide rate for non-mestizo whites in the US is similar to the homicide rate in Europe or Canada.
Seems like a pretty fallacious argument to me.

The USA is 75% white (not including Hispanic/Latino) while the UK is 90% white.

Add to that the fact that our "white" group is spread over four national groups - English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish. Yes, US white ancestry is more complicated than this - but the differences are far more pronounced on this side of the pond.

I'm not saying that race isn't a contributing factor. But social differential seems to be a more important homicide indicator that happens to be linked to race rather than race being the causalitor... causeitity... the thing responsible. Coupled with your scaremongering media, non-existent gun control and general lack of social responsibility.

If you had a little more racial harmony then I think your murder rate would be lower. Wouldn't halve it. And even if you discount your black murderers you still have a much higher murder rate than European nations.
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Sep 14 2009, 03:15 PM
If you had a little more racial harmony then I think your murder rate would be lower. Wouldn't halve it. And even if you discount your black murderers you still have a much higher murder rate than European nations.
Werll, of course we do. That's why we have so few tourists coming here - because we areee soooo dangerous in the white, touristy areas!

Basically, we'd have a higher murder rate than Europe just because we like to kill European tourists! :lol:
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Sep 14 2009, 03:15 PM
If you had a little more racial harmony then I think your murder rate would be lower. Wouldn't halve it. And even if you discount your black murderers you still have a much higher murder rate than European nations.
Werll, of course we do. That's why we have so few tourists coming here - because we areee soooo dangerous in the white, touristy areas!

Basically, we'd have a higher murder rate than Europe just because we like to kill European tourists! :lol:
Funny how all of Britain's tourist hotspots have the highest violent crime rates.

Generally speaking having a 0.0056% chance of getting murdered usually doesn't put tourists off. Nor does it seem that much more dangerous than a 0.00149% chance of being murdered.

Of course I get that this isn't what you're trying to say, but take out the minorities and you'll still have slums no-one wants to visit and you'll still have gangs.
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Sep 14 2009, 04:17 PM
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If you had a little more racial harmony then I think your murder rate would be lower. Wouldn't halve it. And even if you discount your black murderers you still have a much higher murder rate than European nations.
Werll, of course we do. That's why we have so few tourists coming here - because we areee soooo dangerous in the white, touristy areas!

Basically, we'd have a higher murder rate than Europe just because we like to kill European tourists! :lol:
Funny how all of Britain's tourist hotspots have the highest violent crime rates.

Generally speaking having a 0.0056% chance of getting murdered usually doesn't put tourists off. Nor does it seem that much more dangerous than a 0.00149% chance of being murdered.

Of course I get that this isn't what you're trying to say, but take out the minorities and you'll still have slums no-one wants to visit and you'll still have gangs.
Only in rural West Virginia. Our slums are almost 100% minorities and imigrants (who are minorities). The Robert Taylor Homes in Chicago are not filled with white hillbillies or even native Americans! They are filled with the genius plans of the Democratic social reformers of the '60's, where the ultimate goal was to keep minorities in poverty to continue to have a state dependent constituancy that would keep voting Democratic. Worked like a charm . . . . better than the plantations of the South!
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