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Christmas
Topic Started: Aug 15 2009, 12:48 PM (188 Views)
North Transvaal	Aug 15 2009, 12:48 PM Post #1
Prest. Martin van Staden, dictator of the Armed Republic of North Transvaal. Posts: 169 Group: Members Member #521 Joined: July 10, 2009	OOC: Eh... I don't want to get all religiony here but I want North Transvaal's religion to be real. Now I am not sure what happened in the year 0 in this world. But I would like to bring Jesus into the picture. My RL religion is very important to me, I am Protestant, although NT's religion is open, I still want the largest number of people in North Transvaal to be Protestant. But I can't do that if Jesus was never born or hanged on the cross. So.... can someone help me with this...?



Rhadamanthus	Aug 15 2009, 12:59 PM Post #2
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	OOC: Ancient history is ambiguous in our world, but real world religions exist in our world, mostly similar to the real world. You can RP your nation's Protestantism as you like.



North Transvaal	Aug 15 2009, 03:22 PM Post #3
Prest. Martin van Staden, dictator of the Armed Republic of North Transvaal. Posts: 169 Group: Members Member #521 Joined: July 10, 2009	Yes I know, but I want it to be based on the actual Protestantism, excluding all the minor roles played. I just want the events of the actual Bible to be there.



Rhadamanthus	Aug 15 2009, 03:24 PM Post #4
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Yes, as I previously said, real religions exist in our world and are mostly just like the ones in real world. Everything you've said falls under that.



Porcu	Aug 15 2009, 03:34 PM Post #5
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes." Posts: 4,188 Group: Global Mods Member #415 Joined: February 19, 2008	I've always believed that we (in NSWR) have conducted our RPs with an assumption that the religions in our world are the same in RL, i.e. there are no major differences either in the historical progress of the religions or in the religions themselves (doctrines). Edited by Porcu, Aug 15 2009, 03:35 PM.



Nag Ehgoeg	Aug 15 2009, 04:04 PM Post #6
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Porcu Aug 15 2009, 03:34 PM I've always believed that we (in NSWR) have conducted our RPs with an assumption that the religions in our world are the same in RL, i.e. there are no major differences either in the historical progress of the religions or in the religions themselves (doctrines). Eh. The religions all started out the same as their real world counterparts. But when you play the Pope or a Patriarch or an Amish Elder or the Caliph, you tend to make subtle changes to that religion. And these changes compound over time. As such, we're left with Sunni Islam being the only widespread Islam. Several "Catholic" Churches which are all unlike the Catholic Church and so forth. As for "Protestantism"... that's not a single belief. It's a catchment term for all the Christian denominations that aim to follow the teachings of the Bible over the doctrines of the Catholic Church. If SuperWarmonkey is asking "Did Martin Luther nail his 95 Theses to the door of the Schlosskirche" my answer would be "yes". Did King Henry VIII support this protestant movement "probably". Were other fictional people involved in the Reformation "yes, definitely". "All the minor roles" played in the Protestantism are all the roles. All that matters is that someone stood upto the Catholic Church and as a result dozens (if not hundreds) of splinter churches were formed over the years. Now, if you specifically want to be Lutheran, I don't see that as being problematic. Nor (do I believe) would Church of England cause too much of a hassle. Calvinism shouldn't be that difficult. Puritanism must have logically existed in some form or another, but the key personages would probably be radically different. I wouldn't count on Johannes Aepinus being a major figure in our world (though there's nothing to say he didn't exist). As to the matter of the bible itself... yes, the bible "happened" in our world just like it "happened" in real life. The Christian bible that you personally might hold in your hand can be considered identical to a bible found within our role playing game.



New Harumf	Aug 15 2009, 04:41 PM Post #7
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	As someone RP'ing a protestant faith (the Amish) and as someone that RP'd starting a protestant religion by nailing 95 theses on a door (Saderanisn) in defiance to the RP'd Pope I can tell you with all confidence that the Bible in our NS world is THE BIBLE as you know it. Many of us have real, serious religious beliefs, and many of us are agnostic, or just plain athiest heritics! No one here will give you any OOC crap about your religion, but if you RP a strict fundamentalist bible-literal faith for your country, well, you'd best expect a reaction. If you RP even a mainstream protestant faith for your country you may even be in for a religious war! We've had a few of those. There will be more! Fear not, I would say, unless specifically RP'd for a particular historical value, most everything that happened pre-1500's can be presumed to be real. Now, a nation may have their own "mythology" about this or that, but just assume history before and during Reformation happened!



North Transvaal	Aug 15 2009, 05:43 PM Post #8
Prest. Martin van Staden, dictator of the Armed Republic of North Transvaal. Posts: 169 Group: Members Member #521 Joined: July 10, 2009	Ah okay I think I understand now. So Luther and Calvin all existed in this NS world as well, it was only until later when things started to change and so on... Okay, I will now be able to include Protastantism - Calvinism into my country. Where they read the Holy Bible :P Thanks



Quaon	Aug 15 2009, 08:59 PM Post #9
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Well, the commonly accepted point of divergence is around the time of the establishment of the Eastern Empire, but yes, most historical figures existed, though the context of their events may have been different. Then again, time is fluid. So feel free to do whatever.



Rhadamanthus	Aug 15 2009, 09:01 PM Post #10
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Quaon Aug 15 2009, 08:59 PM Well, the commonly accepted point of divergence is around the time of the establishment of the Eastern Empire, but yes, most historical figures existed, though the context of their events may have been different. Then again, time is fluid. So feel free to do whatever. I would modify that to say there is no commonly accepted point of divergence. I have always treated most real life history as having happened, for example.



Quaon	Aug 15 2009, 09:11 PM Post #11
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Fair enough.



Nag Ehgoeg	Aug 17 2009, 05:17 AM Post #12
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Quaon Aug 15 2009, 08:59 PM most historical figures existed, though the context of their events may have been different. Then again, time is fluid. So feel free to do whatever.



NRE	Aug 17 2009, 02:11 PM Post #13
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman Posts: 9,266 Group: Admin Member #120 Joined: April 21, 2005	SuperWarmonkey Aug 15 2009, 05:43 PM Ah okay I think I understand now. So Luther and Calvin all existed in this NS world as well, it was only until later when things started to change and so on... Okay, I will now be able to include Protastantism - Calvinism into my country. Where they read the Holy Bible :P Thanks The Confederacy is a strongly protestant nation and I've been meaning to work on bringing the Protestant faiths together, not into one big church or anything, but basically into a conference or union of sorts that would allow the different faith leaders of each protestant country to talk with one another, and creating a stronger core for Protestantism in our world entirely. I'll have to remember you're protestant, and discuss this with you and other protestant nations in the future.



North Transvaal	Aug 18 2009, 08:12 AM Post #14
Prest. Martin van Staden, dictator of the Armed Republic of North Transvaal. Posts: 169 Group: Members Member #521 Joined: July 10, 2009	OOC: Isn't it the Holy Catholic Commonwealth or are we talking about your Russian nation?



Porcu	Aug 18 2009, 08:49 AM Post #15
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes." Posts: 4,188 Group: Global Mods Member #415 Joined: February 19, 2008	NRE controls various nations including: 1) The Holy Catholic Commonwealth (Africa) 2) The Confederate States of America (Americas) 3) The Russian Empire (Europe) NRE's statement regarding Protestantism specifically refers to the Confederate States of America and only the Confederate States of America (I think).



North Transvaal	Aug 18 2009, 10:48 AM Post #16
Prest. Martin van Staden, dictator of the Armed Republic of North Transvaal. Posts: 169 Group: Members Member #521 Joined: July 10, 2009	Hehe okay. NRE, please sign your posts to me :P, I have come to know you only as HCC...



NRE	Aug 18 2009, 12:07 PM Post #17
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman Posts: 9,266 Group: Admin Member #120 Joined: April 21, 2005	:lol: Yes with players controlling various nations I can understand how it can get confusing, that's why I've got my signature with all the nations I control plus their leaders and a link to that nation's wiki site. But yes Porcu is right, I was speaking solely for the Confederacy, as they are my majority protestant nation.



North Transvaal	Aug 18 2009, 12:33 PM Post #18
Prest. Martin van Staden, dictator of the Armed Republic of North Transvaal. Posts: 169 Group: Members Member #521 Joined: July 10, 2009	Ah yes okay. I will try and remember... :)


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