Interesting Observations

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Interesting Observations
Topic Started: Aug 3 2009, 05:12 PM (547 Views)
Quaon	Aug 3 2009, 05:12 PM Post #1
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Posted Image From this image we can see: Kiev is much too far east. It should be just off the Helmetian border, barely outside Helmetian territory. Moscow is too far north. It should be almost touching the eastern Quaonion border. I control Latvia, not Lithuania. I control almost no part of Belarus. Paris has shifted slightly northwest. The French - Spanish border has shifted, which, iirc, Hispania had insisted be correct when he controlled the Kingdom of Spain. Edinburgh is slightly north. The Scottish and Welsh borders are very slightly off. Rome is slightly southern of its actual position. Georgia's border is very slightly off. I intend to do one of these for every map. I intend this not as criticism to any particular mapmaker, as these problems have existed for many iterations of the map, but just as a general note to the community.



Porcu	Aug 3 2009, 05:48 PM Post #2
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes." Posts: 4,188 Group: Global Mods Member #415 Joined: February 19, 2008	Oh, good. Nothing wrong with me. :P



Ulgania	Aug 3 2009, 05:58 PM Post #3
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Can't wait to see Africa!



Quaon	Aug 3 2009, 06:03 PM Post #4
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Africa will have very few problems, I suspect, as very few African nations are based on real world nations.



Ulgania	Aug 3 2009, 06:15 PM Post #5
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Heh, I've tried to keep my borders akin to real world borders, but it rarely works out that way. I've tried to think of Ulgania-Proper as Mozambique, Zimbabwe, and Zambia, but it isn't really reflected like that on the map. With what you're doing, I can get some kind of rough estimate that I haven't been able to find before on my own (that is, with my lack of skillz on the matter)



Quaon	Aug 3 2009, 06:21 PM Post #6
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Well, what I'm really trying to say is that perhaps, when trying to match real world borders, we should use a map like the one I used (it's easy to do, just make a transparent layer) and trace it. I know when I was mapmaker I would have greatly benefitted from the use of such a map; a few of the problems in Central Europe are grandfathered in from when I was mapmaker.



Quaon	Aug 3 2009, 09:25 PM Post #7
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Also, Konigsberg is off, outside of the real life Kalingrad oblast.



Tristan da Cunha	Aug 3 2009, 09:32 PM Post #8
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Scotland's border is 100% correct give or take a thousand acres or two. IC Scotland is not based on the modern day UK, but is based on a 16th or 17th century Scotland at a time when land borders were not scientifically surveyed. I also like the French-Spanish border very much. It's a throwback to the 16th century when Roussillon was part of Catalonia. Of course the status of that border is not my call to make. The city locations do stand to be corrected, but in no hurry!



NRE	Aug 3 2009, 09:38 PM Post #9
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman Posts: 9,266 Group: Admin Member #120 Joined: April 21, 2005	Hey if people want things corrected, I don't mind doing them. Although I must say personally, I'm pretty proud of myself as I did this all my eye-balling one map while drawing another :D :lol: But I do agree that if the cities are off, they should probably be fixed and again I don't mind doing it.



Quaon	Aug 3 2009, 09:51 PM Post #10
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Yeah, it is quite impressive. I remember when Filo first wanted to make Bohemia Moravia, and I hadn't a clue how to get the borders exactly, I drew essentially a blob. I just noticed this because I was going to draw an internal map of Quaon using real borders, then realized that my belief that the north of Quaon was in Lithuania and Belarus was very, very, very off. Also, I thought most of my territory was Ukrainian, not Russian.



Rhadamanthus	Aug 4 2009, 03:33 AM Post #11
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Q: I thought of your country as more Ukrainian too. Mostly because it has Kiev :lol: I had, on the original Europe map, a very small region around Kiev called the Grand Duchy of Okraina, which I dropped when I decided to do Gallia, which I only recently have dropped. I think that my Grand Duchy's area or part of it was later taken by you when you started Quaon, so I think of you country as Ukrainian. NRE: Yes, you did a great job of eyeballing. Very impressive. That said, I would like to tweak my expansions borders slightly to better fit the way I wanted it, if that is okay with you as mapmaker. The Danube-Drava rivers should be the northern border, and the western border isn't quite where I thought either, but that is not as big a deal. Perhaps we could chat on it sometime? Also, many of the Spanish internal borders when Huesca split Spain were designed to reflect Spanish provinces, so it might be worthwhile if we could get them to fit ones that Quaon overlaid onward. Accurate borders are hard as hell, but Q has provided as a great tool to supplement the Kybelis project. Edited by Rhadamanthus, Aug 4 2009, 03:35 AM.



Filo	Aug 4 2009, 03:34 AM Post #12
General Posts: 3,999 Group: Veterans Member #192 Joined: October 31, 2005	Great Work!!! I need america !!! Can some one fix tuscany? my home town may be out of the Granduchy Edited by Filo, Aug 4 2009, 03:37 AM.



New Harumf	Aug 5 2009, 07:53 AM Post #13
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	Porcu Aug 3 2009, 05:48 PM Oh, good. Nothing wrong with me. :P Nothing wrong with your map! There's plenty wrong with you!! :lol: :lol:



Filo	Aug 5 2009, 10:04 AM Post #14
General Posts: 3,999 Group: Veterans Member #192 Joined: October 31, 2005	I noticed now i lack of Southern Austria and little part of Hungary too.



Rhadamanthus	Aug 5 2009, 10:34 AM Post #15
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	I made a small map using Quaon's with the tweaks I would like NRE to make to my border, if he is interested in doing so.



Porcu	Aug 5 2009, 10:34 PM Post #16
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes." Posts: 4,188 Group: Global Mods Member #415 Joined: February 19, 2008	New Harumf Aug 5 2009, 07:53 AM Porcu Aug 3 2009, 05:48 PM Oh, good. Nothing wrong with me. :P Nothing wrong with your map! There's plenty wrong with you!! :lol: :lol: That's not very nice... :nono: But hilarious nonetheless. B)



Rhadamanthus	Aug 10 2009, 12:53 PM Post #17
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Quaon, which of these will you do next? I would encourage you to do America next :D



Quaon	Aug 10 2009, 05:31 PM Post #18
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Posted Image The border of Texas is very off. Various state borders in the Confederacy are very off. Atlanta is to the south of its actual location. New England Confederation encompasses land different than RL New England - not actually a bad thing as the Maine - Canada border is an illogical border and the current border actually better reflects waterways and such. Alaska is wrong. Mt Weather is two states off of its actual location. Virginia's border is more or less accurate, though very slightly off. Montreal is way off - it's in fact entirely within New England territory in this map, a problem which I have no problem allowing to be rectified. US LA slightly wrong borders. Neo-Paradise does not match Venezuela's borders. Edited by Quaon, Aug 10 2009, 05:35 PM.



Rhadamanthus	Aug 10 2009, 05:42 PM Post #19
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Very nice looking.



Filo	Aug 10 2009, 05:44 PM Post #20
General Posts: 3,999 Group: Veterans Member #192 Joined: October 31, 2005	You have save my life...



Ulgania	Aug 10 2009, 05:46 PM Post #21
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Indeed. Applaudable efforts!



Quaon	Aug 10 2009, 05:47 PM Post #22
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	I have to say, I deserve very little credit. All I did was take two images, make on transparent, and move them over each other. The true credit goes to an individual from another forum named Qazaq who is extremely meticulous with his base maps.



Filo	Aug 10 2009, 06:30 PM Post #23
General Posts: 3,999 Group: Veterans Member #192 Joined: October 31, 2005	I noticed Sioux City is too east? or am i wrong?



Quaon	Aug 10 2009, 06:38 PM Post #24
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Actually, it's more or less right east-west, but it should be further south.



NRE	Aug 10 2009, 10:04 PM Post #25
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman Posts: 9,266 Group: Admin Member #120 Joined: April 21, 2005	Well I'd love to have a copy of the transperancies, at least of Europe and the Middle East.


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