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OOC: The Salen Reign
Topic Started: Jul 17 2009, 01:39 AM (474 Views)
Waarland
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OOC: Is it already a foregone conclusion Kasnyia wins the entirety of Western Europe?
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Not if the players that died off, come back,their lands would probably be returned. That said, I DO want a hefty expansion. If everyone else in NS2 is gonna have hefty-sized territories, I'll go for broke with Salenitia, which fits them IC.
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OOC: But, you're opposed by three players + the territories you want. Like I don't care if you get most of France, because, as you said, most players here are ridiculously huge (myself included), but the entirety of Western Europe is a little too far in the other direction, isn't it?

I'm willing to fight over France, and lose in every way imaginable, giving you a glorious victory, and letting you take France, if you're willing to stop there.
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OOC- Sounds like a fair deal. I'm kinda playing this by ear, since I can't get too detailed with NS2 RPing with NS1 keeping me busy.
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OOC: Waarland, no it is not a foregone conclusion that Salentia expands throughout Western Europe. I say this because in our forum the results of expansion are decided through the RP, and through mutual consent.

Normally, I wouldn't mind Salentia making a major expansion, but since we are kind of in the middle of a naval confrontation, it would be unreasonable IC for me to let the balance of power be re-drawn over night. And I want to invade Rome, try the Pope for treason, and install an orthodox bishop there. If the other war can be ended, then I wouldn't mind Salentia's presence in any of the territories except Italy and the Balkans.
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OOC: What everyone else said, basically. Since having more land on this map doesn't directly affect your empire in any way other than giving you more places to RP with and bragging rights, and since the purpose of this whole thing is for creation and entertainment, No one's guaranteed any expansion. Since the land Kas wants is such prime real estate (as opposed to say, South America, where only two nations have ever been at any time in our RP) he probably won't get it all. The only foregone conclusion is a good RP.
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OOC- As long as I get a lot of land, I could care less about where I get it from. I too am just doing it to have the Salenese come off like wackos.

Uh....split please?
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Noriega
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OOC: You should probably make a new thread in the war subforum instead. Saves the time, and this is going to be a conflict.
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Kasnyia
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OOC- It'd be easier for this one to simply be moved to said forum with the OOC posts split. As I said before, I haven't the time to do very many IC posts here with everything else I gotta do.
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OOC: On the earlier maps, Salentia had a colony in New England. Is this no longer correct?

I understand the expansion, and OOC-wise have no problem with it. IC-wise, the movement into France threatens Angelcynn and gives you easier access to the ocean. Since our nations are already on disagreeable terms, the more potential damage you can do, the more I need to prevent it. My only opposition is France, or more specificaly the northern coast of it. The only other place I'm affected by this is in Gibraltar, which I assume to be loaded up as one of the toughest places in my country, or enough so that it can defend itself.

This map shows the regions of France. I've moved troops in Bretagne, Basse-Normandie, Haute-Normandie, Nord-Pas de Calals, and the shore portion of Picardie to fight off your expansion attempts.
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OOC: After we get the split, I'll post troop positions for the NPCs. I have no information on Bessentia or Catholic Europe, so I'm going to RP (and place) them as disorganized and weak. Occitania does have information, so I will be using that. They're going to be much more cohesive and strong.
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Kasnyia
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I did have a colony in New England, but its too much of a handful as is. I might refound it eventually,
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OOC: Tou read the message I sent him regarding his nation being absorbed, but I've not gotten a response. Huesca hasn't been on the forums in a little less then a month, so he may or may not want to keep his nation. CE hasn't done anything with NS2 since claiming land.

Since I'm defending part of Bessentia, how about I RP the defense of the whole nation? It'll lighten the load on Nor and give me something to do.

Oh, and what about the low countries? They were under Tou's control. Should we leave them open for any new players and claim that I successfully prevented expansion into the area?
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Jul 17 2009, 08:30 PM
OOC: Tou read the message I sent him regarding his nation being absorbed, but I've not gotten a response. Huesca hasn't been on the forums in a little less then a month, so he may or may not want to keep his nation. CE hasn't done anything with NS2 since claiming land.

Since I'm defending part of Bessentia, how about I RP the defense of the whole nation? It'll lighten the load on Nor and give me something to do.

Oh, and what about the low countries? They were under Tou's control. Should we leave them open for any new players and claim that I successfully prevented expansion into the area?
You're welcome to. I'll show you my preparations when they're complete.
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Rhadamanthus
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OOC: Split.
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Noriega
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Here's a reference map for those that aren't sure where everything is.

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1-Bessentia
2-Occitania
3-Catholic Europe
4-Salenitia
5-Angelcynn
6-Ireland
7-Volyn
8-Empire of Romans

EDIT: Lil' Bit ugly, I know.
Edited by Noriega, Jul 17 2009, 09:00 PM.
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Telosan
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Ah, I forgot about this and I'm leaving tommorow. The map's fine, except Occitania touched the Atlantic as well. If someone would volunteer to take over for me, it'd be much appreciated. My only real involvment would be heavy defensive forces all along the northern shore of Bessentia and CE's islands in the Mediterranean.
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Kasnyia
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I might try for what is left of Eastern Europe and only seriously try to take Bessentia....or not, just a thought...
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Realistically, Volyn will not allow a single large power to take all of Eastern Europe because it represents a buffer between it and Europe. So, while we would fight half-heartedly over the sovereignty of France, Eastern Europe would be a much longer and more difficult war.
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Jul 18 2009, 01:32 PM
I might try for what is left of Eastern Europe and only seriously try to take Bessentia....or not, just a thought...
The Empire would not really have a problem with you in Eastern Europe as long as our other issues were resolved.
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To put it plainly, Angelcynn doesn't like Salentia. The newspapers, though I haven't actually said so, would be screaming about the blunt brutallity of an uncivilized militaristic nation. You expand away from them, they don't care much unless your power significantly increases. Towards them, they'll fight.

Waarland, how exactly would Volyn be capable of fighting at all in western europe? You'd have to travel past Salentia and you'd be at war with them.

I think a reasonable end goal is that Salentia moves it's eastern border to the point that's currently halfway between itself and Volyn. The Alps allow RD to defend southern europe from any advancement, and on the western border Salentia moves to the Atlantic and Pyrenees.
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As long as I get a significant increase of land at the end of this, I could care less where it comes from and how I RP it. Just so long as it happens.
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Jul 18 2009, 12:12 PM
Ah, I forgot about this and I'm leaving tommorow. The map's fine, except Occitania touched the Atlantic as well. If someone would volunteer to take over for me, it'd be much appreciated. My only real involvment would be heavy defensive forces all along the northern shore of Bessentia and CE's islands in the Mediterranean.
O rly?

Map of Occitania

Former Map of World
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Waarland
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Telosan, I sent you a PM allowing me to use the Straits at Denmark, didn't I?
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Oh, never mind.

Yes, Waar, but it has be RPed. Plus, wartime would be a different situation.
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