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| The Victoria Falls Conference for African and Middle Eastern States; Post-Dominion Conference | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 15 2009, 03:35 AM (926 Views) | |
| Ulgania | Jul 20 2009, 06:31 PM Post #51 |
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse
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OOC: OOh, fun things occurring already. IC: "The Commonwealth should know that the ravages of war that it brought to Ulgania in the past undid many of the educational gains that had been made in those early years." |
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| NRE | Jul 20 2009, 07:09 PM Post #52 |
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman
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OOC: :lol: gosh this is feeling more and more like the good ole days IC: "Had the Ulganian administration during that time not so sacrilegiously desecrated the one true faith, the Hegemony would not have had to step in. Of course there are many atrocities for which the Commonwealth does not condones yet we do not apologize for either. After all the Hegemony was an administration which destroyed itself and has thus been punished by God for their sins and crimes." Edited by NRE, Jul 20 2009, 07:10 PM.
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| Sedulius | Jul 20 2009, 08:55 PM Post #53 |
Field Marshal
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Fleischmann spoke. "On the issue of race and the document, Edessa supports the Roman delegation." Fleischmann then turned to Foreign Minister Shabalala and smiled. "The Honorable Shabalala brings up a good point. Perhaps we should be speaking of furthering the education and overall quality of life of African peoples, rather than discussing a rather..." Fleischman snickered, "a rather rascist issue." |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 20 2009, 08:57 PM Post #54 |
Chairman of the Bank
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Africa for Africans. No more foreign involement. Period. All who cross the path of the DCA in this manner will be swept aside. Better to not allow it in the first place then have war come about... |
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| A.Q. | Jul 21 2009, 12:33 PM Post #55 |
Beautiful Snowflake
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"This rings to me as the most imperialist statement I've heard at this conference. It's a noble sentiment for the DCA to be the protectors of all Africa, but who is to protect the Africans from the DCA? And 'no foreign involvement would veto all of the positive and charitable work being done in the continent. Before Al Qalaa freed Zanzibar and brought it back to democracy, there wasn't a single modern public school. Now every Zanzibari child has an equal opportunity to learn. With the blessing of the island's independent government." |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 21 2009, 03:17 PM Post #56 |
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Chairman of the Bank
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OOC- You do realize the DCA stated an exception for arabs, right AQ? IC- The charities are fronts from which to influence the populace into slavery of the worst sort: slavery of the mind. These same organizations could easily be run by local educated peoples. Unless of course you are saying we Africans are not educated, which would be as racist and anti-Africa as we are "Imperialist". So do mind your tongue. No more involvemen of foreigners in Africa. |
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| Ulgania | Jul 21 2009, 10:41 PM Post #57 |
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A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse
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"There is no outright need for each and every delegation at this conference to uphold the Declaration of Colonialism. While it would be helpful to get people to sign on in a rational manor, there is no need for Ulgania to pressure any government to change their personal belief systems concerning colonialism. However, there is an intention to get current, and potential future colonial powers to sign on to a plan to benefit native peoples who may not have any other chance to have a stable life. "The Porcuian government is a prime example of the benefits of colonialism. The regionalized trade and current alliance with the government makes Ulgania, and other Africans benefit greatly from the situation, while also allowing high profits to stream back to Europe. The civil rights are great in the colonies, and even outstrip various states in Africa as they stand." OOC: Anyone here should feel free to take personal offense to the later end of that statement :lol: |
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| NRE | Jul 21 2009, 11:11 PM Post #58 |
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Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman
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OOC: I would have but I can't be a complete hypocrite can I? :lol: IC: "There is enough Arab influence as it is, there is no need for more" said Minister Shabalala to the remarks made by the delegate from Al Qalaa. "The Orthodox we can handle but the Muslims we cannot and will not tolerate. There is no place in Southern Africa for their kind. The Catholic church has provide education for millions throughout Africa and will continue to do so. Again I continue to see no point in allowing Middle Eastern nations, save for the Romans who have obvious interests in at least Northern Africa, here and voting on issues that are clearly African in nature." "Furthermore I do not see why we are catering to the Imperial powers of the Colonists either. By catering to some, we set an uneasy and ugly precedent for the future. What do nations from Europe know of the burdens of Africa, in fact what burden does Africa maintain? Africa has been host to several successful regional powers and even a few successful international powers such as the Commonwealth. It has only been in the years of the Dominion that this region saw a great decline in power. Africa has survive without the help of foreign intervention in the past, I for one see no reason why it can't now." Edited by NRE, Jul 21 2009, 11:12 PM.
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| Kasnyia | Jul 22 2009, 01:19 AM Post #59 |
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Chairman of the Bank
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The Porcuians gained their lands on the backs of the Dominion war machine. We will not tolerate them being lauded as the epitome of the African state. We will not tolerate those with ill-begotten land either. This land is for Africans. Death to all who try and take it away. |
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| Porcu | Jul 22 2009, 05:46 AM Post #60 |
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."
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"We kindly wish to remind our Afrikan neighbors that North-West Afrika was present as a protectorate during the Nixon years and voted itself to that status. Porcu has never imposed its will upon the native populace nor shall she ever." |
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| Devin Wire | Jul 22 2009, 10:28 AM Post #61 |
Captain
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Mithridates Parthia smirked to himself, shaking his head as he casually started to fold his arms over, "You people fight too much. Far too much. To think the real uptight guy has to play the heavy from before, right man?" |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 22 2009, 01:51 PM Post #62 |
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Chairman of the Bank
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"Vote bank poltics. No one simply votes their sovreignity away without being at least hoodwinked." - DCA representative |
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| Waarland | Jul 22 2009, 02:00 PM Post #63 |
Corporal
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"Rather silly to accept the Arab man as an African, when his arrival to Africa was marked by genocide and enslavement. They did it first, and they did it thoroughly, and I suppose that is enough to be regarded today as African - while the Waarlander Dutch, whom has peacefully extended full rights to all its citizens, and maintains in its constitution a declaration on human rights, and whose people are as African as any other - are considered foreign. The DCA position on this matter seems rather arbitrary, and, to put it frankly, racist. Are they no better than the imperialists they condemn, and devolve into defining the world by petty ethnic standards?" |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 22 2009, 02:06 PM Post #64 |
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Chairman of the Bank
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Call us what you wish. We are tired of foreigners running our affairs. We only made exception to the Arabs out of courtesy. It is not an absolute that they have it. Africa for Africans. The rest of you get lost. OOC- Sorry if DCA is a bit too hardass on this issue, but thats basically their whole premise for existance: they promised the people to exterminate foreign socio-political involvement in Africa, and the only thing they won't do is ethnic cleansing due to Afro-Kasnyian mulattos having control of most of the government bureaucracy... |
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| Devin Wire | Jul 23 2009, 01:36 PM Post #65 |
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Paritha frowned carefully, "Africa for Africans? Under your system, sir, would I be forced to leave my own nation? I would be quite curious of this fact." |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 23 2009, 02:28 PM Post #66 |
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The DCA representative only smiled wolfishly... |
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| A.Q. | Jul 23 2009, 03:42 PM Post #67 |
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Beautiful Snowflake
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Mousavi raised an eyebrow, refusing to fall prey to the obvious attempts to make him lose his temper. "Education is the slavery of the mind? Has the DCA been reading too many Orwell novels? I don't seem to understand how locally-run Zanzibari public schools can churn out the kind of brainwashed zombie-slave that you seem to hold in your imagination. Not all of us in the world are so interested in propaganda as you appear to be." "And I don't recall saying that such charities could not be run by Africans, merely that they aren't. If you really have the best interests of the continent at heart, you would welcome the free food, clothes, and medicine for the poor that you claim to protect." "Your country, sir, does not speak for all Africans, so please drop this self-righteous facade. This is a conference for African and Middle Eastern states, so please, mind your own tongue. This is not your podium." Turning his back on the DCA seat, he returned to the general dialogue. "Now that our friend here has said his piece, let me raise another issue: Dominion occupation has left Middle Eastern states with destroyed infrastructure and chaotic governments as well. Remnant troops still roam the countryside, engaging in banditry and creating general mischief. Please don't let our troubles go forgotten in this bickering." |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 23 2009, 03:56 PM Post #68 |
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Chairman of the Bank
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OOC- Really, the DCA was making an exception for Arabs, I don't see why you have to engage him negatively... IC- We could speak of Zanzibar, but my leaders seem to think Arabs are a good and useful people. But clearly, you too are on the side of the foreigners too... --------- As soon as the issue of banditry was brought up, the Alexanderhavenian delegate spoke up, "We have had to face problems as well, from the remnants of the Dominion forces that had kept us under occupation. Even though the Dominion has passed on, we are still not strong enough to oppose the shadows left behind. And there are many shadows..." |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jul 23 2009, 04:13 PM Post #69 |
Legitimist
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The Roman delegate did not consider the DCA delegate to be fit to govern himself let alone to speak for a whole country or even a continent. Other than smirking slightly and making snide comments to his allied delegates on the subject, he simply ignored the DCA outbursts. In response to Alexanderhaven's comments: "The Emperor has begun to make strikes against the bandits in Syria, Asia Minor and Northern Africa. We can send some men to Alexanderhaven, and would be happy to cooperate with other countries at this conference in their own efforts to restore the rule of law." |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 23 2009, 04:54 PM Post #70 |
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Chairman of the Bank
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"We ask the Romans to be wary. A former Dominion core state surrounds us like a great albatross on our shoulders." But before he could continue the DCA representative snerked, "Why should Africa worry for the poor puppets who were too weak to fight for their own independance?" |
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| A.Q. | Jul 23 2009, 08:38 PM Post #71 |
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Beautiful Snowflake
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OOC: Al Qalaa are Persians. :D I'm arguing with him because I feel the need to acknowledge your ambassador's general prickishness. |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 23 2009, 08:40 PM Post #72 |
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Chairman of the Bank
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OOC- Persian? Ah... Oh and please do. This guy (and the regime he represents) are bloodthirsty sumbitches... IC- The Alexanderhavenian was not amused, "You should have remained a colony of Kasnyia. For all their flaws, they at least civilized brutes like you." "In my country, you would have your tongue removed for such statements. There are many places in Africa, even in your lamented colonies, where that would be welcomed as well. I would watch my words..." the DCA representative growled. |
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| Ulgania | Jul 23 2009, 08:51 PM Post #73 |
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A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse
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OOC: Valentine’s always been a prick himself, but the kind that eliminates problems. Kind of a snide move but it’s in his character. IC: “Should the DCA representatives not be able to hold decorum then they may be asked to leave these precedings. This discussion is, again, not one of race. The DCA is hardly in a credible position to make their views that of the assembled representatives.” Now, considering the previous statements on banditry, he continued. “Northern Ulgania’s infrastructure will need a substantial amount of work to rebuild, but we are in an advantageous position to aid any in northern Africa who may need assistance rendered. The proximity to New Harumf, the Romans, and the battered Morrocons. It is also in a position to send near-immediate aid to the Middle East if and when those, especially Alexaderhaven, may need it.” |
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| NRE | Jul 23 2009, 09:30 PM Post #74 |
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Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman
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"The Commonwealth was fortunate enough to have rounded up what bandits remained of the Dominion after its fall in an expedient manner" said Minister Shabalala. He smirked as the words rolled off his black lips. He didn't hide it either as he figured few would notice. He could have gone on and discussed how a court led by the clergy found the men guilty of heresy and how they were put to the stake and burnt for their sins. The Minister decided he would withhold the information as it was not a necessity to the conversation though if other nations would only adhere to the one true faith as they did, banditry would be no problem. "Due to this, our country was able to revitalize our agricultural sector rather quickly. Our surplus grows daily and certainly it is within my power to offer it to nations such as New Harumf. Offering it more liberally to other nations however, is not within my power as I do not believe its within my government's policy to do so. I can of course make inquiries into such matters if such nations desire. Missionaries on the other hand can certainly be dispatched to offer whatever assistance they could render, should the prospect of such prove inviting to other nations." |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 23 2009, 10:08 PM Post #75 |
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The Alexanderhavenian delegation had to wonder if the bandits the Commonwealth ambassador spoke of were only those of the Dominion who had not accepted the Latin Heresy...it would not surprise him in the least if former Dominion still roamed the land, claiming to be doing the Lord's work. The Commonwealth made him almost as sick as the DCA did... -------- The DCA ambassador would not go down quietly, "Decorum? This is a discussion of issues. To ignore the plight of the African people in favor of minorities is highly irregular and most certainly out of decorum. If the African plight will not be addressed, then this conference is merely a formality. No substance. As such, on behalf of the DCA I must apologize, we thought issues would be dealt with here." |
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