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The Celtic League
Topic Started: Jul 11 2009, 05:55 PM (1,227 Views)
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sadly, while it is a good idea
we will not allow a "league" to pull us into an upcoming war

The Re pubic of the Seventh Era will send an observer and will hold no relations
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Scotland recognizes the French possession of Brittany.

Scotland will send an observer to the Celtic League but will not at this time join the League. In the interest of maintaining peace and the balance of power between the major powers of north-west Europe, we offer friendly counsel to the League not to interfere in the Breton affair.
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NAN continues to give th state of "Opressed native people" to Bretonians.
And allow them to took refurg in NAN if the wish.

-- NAN Foreign Office
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OOC: Just to be clear, the Celtic League is not an alliance. It is just an organization for advancing the Celtic people. Ireland is sworn to protect the Celtic nations, but no one is obligated to go to war alongside Ireland.

That said, with the Celtic nations occupied, I'll need to withdraw my troops from Britannia. Also, I'll need to PM you Tous. This all changes our plans a bit. Though I will say, the Celtic League will accept Brittany into the League if Brittany asks to be in the League. That would be somewhat like Cornwall being in the League (which it is).
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Wale wishes to join the Celtic League
problems have arisen.....

http://s3.zetaboards.com/nationstates/topic/7247718/1/#new
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The Celtic League welcomes Cymru! The Celtic Senate is currently being hosted in Mannin. We hope to see your representative soon.

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Membership in the Celtic League now includes Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, and the Isle of Man. Observer status is granted to the NAN. Bretons are invited to take refuge in Ireland and Man. Scottish Highlanders are invited to take refuge in Man. A Breton leader is invited to take a seat in the Celtic Senate. The Empire of the Romans, Russia, Porcu, and France are all invited to take observer status in the Celtic Senate. The Celtic League remains open to Scotland.

OOC: I'll form a Celtic Senate thread.
Edited by Sedulius, Aug 21 2009, 02:25 PM.
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The Empire will accept this invitation, and provide an observer. We are thankful for this gesture of friendship.
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Toussaint
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So long as this league continues to recognize Bretagne, France will have no part in its workings.
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OOC: The Breton rebellion was already beaten, I thought?
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Toussaint
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OOC: Indeed. But, if this group keeps going about as if Bretagne is still a nation, then it's going to have the ill wills of France.
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The Celtic League has taken no official stance on Bretagne, other than that Breizh is one of the six Celtic nations. For now, this is strictly a recognition of the culture of Bretagne, not its sovereignty. Eire and Mannin recognize the sovereignty of Breizh, while Kernow and Cymru do not. An official vote will be held on this matter in the Celtic Senate. Until then, the Celtic League takes no stance on Bretagne. The invitation for France to send an observer stands as France has obvious ties to Breizh.

OOC: Bretagne is yours to do with as you please. You could always send a French puppet as its representative. There is no need for it to be soveriegn. That would give you leverage in the Celtic League. The representative would need to be Breton and elected by the people of Bretagne, but that doesn't get in the way of French influence, I'm sure.
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"Once Ireland and Mann cease the recognition of Bretagne as a sovereign nation, we shall send a representative to the Celtic League and allow Bretagne to send a representative as well. Until this recognition is dropped, our stance remains the same."
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The Tinvaal of Mannin requests information from France as to the current situation in Bretagne. It has been reported that the Breton resistance was defeated, but it is uncertain whether the main group has disbanded, and uncertain whether the Breton people still support the Breton government or the French government. Mannin simply requires verification of the Breton people's willingness to live under France.
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"The Breton separatists have been captured and executed, and a new regional government has since been elected by the people of Bretagne- both ethnic French and ethnic Breton. Habeas Corpus and proper voting rights have been reestablished in the region.

"As far as resistance movements go, all have been silenced. A Breton-national political party has been permitted to reemerge, provided that its activities are monitored by National Government agencies."
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The Tinvaal tells us this is acceptable by them. They certainly cannot recognize something to be sovereign if it doesn't even claim to be. Mannin withdraws its claim to Breizh sovereignty, and recognizes the French government as the rightfully elected government of Breizh.

The High King of Ireland is still quite ill, and Crown Prince William is in negotiations. The Parliament of Meath refuses to issue a statement on the status of Breizh until one of them makes a statement on the issue. You can understand it might be some time before Ireland issues a new view.

OOC: I'm not doing any Irish stuff until I actually have time to get fully involved again. You understand.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Porcu accepts the invitation for observer status.
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Official Statement from the High King of Ireland

Approved by the Parliament of Meath

As a gesture of goodwill towards the great nation of France, I hereby cease to recognize Breizh as an independent state. Rather, the Breton people are dependent on the government of France to protect and care for them. I reinforce the invitation of the Celtic League for France to send an observer to the Celtic Senate, and I would ask that they allow a representative from Breizh to take a seat in the Senate, just as the United Provinces of Wessex have allowed Kernow such a privilege. I hope through this and further negotiations, we can begin to form good relations between our governments.

Peace be upon you.

Stiofán Paul Uí Siadhail, Ard-Rí na hÉireann
Edited by Sedulius, Aug 24 2009, 03:40 PM.
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"We shall take the recent Irish statement as one of good will, and will readily reopen diplomatic channels with the Irish nation. We shall re invite Ireland to send a delegation to Paris and establish an embassy, and we would like to send a delegation of our own to Dublin. In one month's time, we shall lift our embargo over trade with Ireland.

"Bretagne will not be sending a representative to the Celtic Senate at this time; however, France itself shall send an observer to represent both France and Bretagne in the organization. With proper time, relations between France and Ireland may be able to become amiable."
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It is quite unorthodox by the Celtic League's standards for France to represent Breizh in the Celtic Senate. It will need the Senate's approval. Such shall be its first vote.

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Ireland will certainly send a delegation to Paris to establish an embassy.
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"As Bretagne is a part of France, and the national government reigns supreme in the matters of diplomacy, a French representative would be speaking for Bretagne. Whether or not he is of Breton ancestry should not make a matter- as racist policies such as that are illegal in modern France. We are willing to waiver- We shall send Jacques Macmillan as the representative of "Bretagne" in the Celtic Senate.

"Macmillan is a Frenchman of one-quarter Breton descent, and will forward the views of his nation accordingly."
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The motion is denied by a vote of 3 to 1. France will NOT represent Breizh in the Celtic Senate. Only a representative of Breizh is acceptable. Such a representative would need to be elected by the people of Breizh, and represent the interests of Breizh as a Celtic nation, not the interests of France.
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((See above.))
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OOC: I don't know if that's good enough for the guys. Remember this isn't entirely up to me. If he's elected by the populace of Bretagne, and he represents the views of Bretagne, then that would be good enough. However, he cannot represent any interests of France in the Celtic Senate, though I suppose he could certainly report his observations back to France, and bring out the French perspective on things should it be necessary.

If that does sum up what you are now proposing, then it would meet the Celtic Senate's terms.
Edited by Sedulius, Aug 25 2009, 02:50 PM.
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OOC: Basically, that's what's going on. Macmillan is from Bretagne, and represents the populace fairly well, as the province itself is of mixed descent.
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OOC: Cool. I'll mention the change in proposal in the Celtic Senate.
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