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Soccer: Football/Soccer Anyone?; OOC Please
Topic Started: Jun 12 2009, 05:19 PM (4,090 Views)
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Yes, porcu, please provide me with the table!
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Porcu
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Would people be interested in reviving national football association matches (i.e., those between countries)? I wouldn't kick things off until August, but was curious to know what you all thought.
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I always thought it was fun and maybe it will help us attract new players, I'd be game!
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I'm in!
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Alright; great to hear!

I'm also in a creative mood, so I'm going to be redesigning Porcu's football association logo and kits. I'd be happy to work on others as well. If that's something you're interested in just let me know (here is fine). I'll need some simple ideas about what you'd like to see, i.e., colors, symbols, etc.

Also, we'll need to come up with a list of participant nations. Since we're short on active players we may want to include "free territory" nations/city-states - this is a major point to consider however! Anyone is free to start a list and we can work on it together. I can put together a tournament with almost any number, so long as its even.
Edited by Porcu, Jul 20 2017, 02:11 PM.
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Im in as well Porcu.
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Porcu
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

I've been fooling around with a logo for our football governing body and thought that a name change would be good too. Comments and suggestions are very welcome.

NSWR CAMF Logo
Edited by Porcu, Jul 22 2017, 02:55 PM.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Crest for Porcu's Football Association (i.e., Ludus Societatis Porcu Consilium Calcio)

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Edited by Porcu, Jul 22 2017, 06:11 PM.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

So far, this is what I've come up with in updating the NSWR FA list:

1. Federation of United African Nations
2. United Transitional Libyan Republic (i.e., Libyan States)
3. Brazilian Empire
4. Eastern Empire
5. Eastern Islamic Empire
6. Saladian Empire
7. Russian Empire
8. Kingdom of France
9. Porcu
10. Austrian Empire
11. Order of Teutonic Knights
12. Quaon
13. The Baltic State
14. Paradise
15. Transcaucasia
16. United Libyan Arab Republic
17. Al-Asiri
18. United Mediterranean Republic
19. Gaedic Caliphate United

I got the following list just from the regional maps and which nations were still alive. I didn't include some nations because they are no longer featured on the map, such as New Harumf, though I'd like to. For NH, it's mostly because they won the first World Cup and I'd like to see some continuity. Suggestions/comments/additions/deletions for the list?

Regarding organization and the practical aspects, I'm planning on using my copy of FIFA17 to run friendlies and tournaments. First, there's the issue of team assignments. I want to be totally transparent, so I'm happy to answer further questions but basically I'll randomize teams from FIFA17 to our list using Excel (subsequent to discussion on finalized list of teams) and then use FIFA17 to run auto-simulations of the matches. I hope to do a much better job this time around of compiling data for each nation's FA, so you all can comment/RP accordingly.

Additionally, I'll be starting over on the rankings. I'm planning on using the Elo Rating System; we'll just need to finalize some parameters for the calculations. Is that OK with everyone?
Edited by Porcu, Jul 26 2017, 01:24 PM.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Whal, let me know if you like/don't like this crest. I'm happy to make changes.

Austrian Empire FA Crest
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Jul 27 2017, 12:52 PM
Whal, let me know if you like/don't like this crest. I'm happy to make changes.

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I love it, Porcu. Nice work! What did you use to create it?
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Porcu
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I'm using Inkscape for all of these. Happy you like it! ^^
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Ooo! Count me in! Granted, perhaps Għaselja might not be able to join (as if my RP idea goes through, it might not be an independent country by then) but I loved the idea of the football tournament the last time!
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Porcu
Jul 26 2017, 01:20 PM
So far, this is what I've come up with in updating the NSWR FA list:

1. Federation of United African Nations
2. United Transitional Libyan Republic (i.e., Libyan States)
3. Brazilian Empire
4. Eastern Empire
5. Eastern Islamic Empire
6. Saladian Empire
7. Russian Empire
8. Kingdom of France
9. Porcu
10. Austrian Empire
11. Order of Teutonic Knights
12. Quaon
13. The Baltic State
14. Paradise
15. Transcaucasia
16. United Libyan Arab Republic
17. Al-Asiri
18. United Mediterranean Republic
19. Gaedic Caliphate United

I got the following list just from the regional maps and which nations were still alive. I didn't include some nations because they are no longer featured on the map, such as New Harumf, though I'd like to. For NH, it's mostly because they won the first World Cup and I'd like to see some continuity. Suggestions/comments/additions/deletions for the list?

Regarding organization and the practical aspects, I'm planning on using my copy of FIFA17 to run friendlies and tournaments. First, there's the issue of team assignments. I want to be totally transparent, so I'm happy to answer further questions but basically I'll randomize teams from FIFA17 to our list using Excel (subsequent to discussion on finalized list of teams) and then use FIFA17 to run auto-simulations of the matches. I hope to do a much better job this time around of compiling data for each nation's FA, so you all can comment/RP accordingly.

Additionally, I'll be starting over on the rankings. I'm planning on using the Elo Rating System; we'll just need to finalize some parameters for the calculations. Is that OK with everyone?
I don't see why you can't include NH in this new season, if only for the continuity sake. I don't think the Eastern Empire would be a good fit for this but if its easier for the purposes of the tournament and season then keep them on. Also I forget how many teams do we get, its just one national team isn't it? I ask because Transcaucasia is technically three states but for this I can always claim a unified team was created for this.

Oh and I tinkered with the logo. I like its basic idea Porcu (again I'm overly jealous at the curved text, maybe I'll try this inkscape if only for the curved text if its easier to lean...is it free?) but I though it lacked a little originality to our "world." With that in mind I altered it slightly twice, my first alteration is simply reorganizing the middle stars into a pattern of five, for the five traditional regions we have (but if we want to split the Americas this can easily be altered into a six star patter). In the second alteration I got rid of the stars completely and put in a globe symbol and used the Olympic colors to create something of an international sport symbol that perhaps can be reused if we/when we do other international sports, like with the Olympics.

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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Inkscape is totally free, and as I've said there are plenty of tutorials online if you run into problems or want to figure out something specific.

Regarding the logo, are we sticking with the name I came up with? I do like the idea of simplifying down to 5 stars (1/region) but I think that having one in the middle inherently indicates the superiority of one. With 7 it was difficult to have them all in a circle, but with 5 it's definitely doable. That said, I like the multi-colored globe symbol. I'm interested in hearing what others think.
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Whereas I like the changes you made, NRE, I do agree with Porcu re this version of the five-star design (hooray semiotics!). I'm quite partial to the globe concept as I like the addition of extra colour (monochromatic designs are nice and all but, hey...) and I think it signifies more diversity than white stars (but that's just me).
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You do make a good point Porcu and actually i originally was going to do a simply circle design with the stars before I thought of the one that I did. That said, I think I am also a bit partial to the globe myself.

It does say Confederation of World Football Association correct? I think its nice as its more original again for our purposes though it doesn't make a good acronym like FIFA
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Yes, it says "Confederation of Global Football Associations" but one doesn't need to translate it verbatim, especially for the sake of a good acronym. In fact, if it's possible to change the text with Porcu's amazing image editing software, even the French can be altered (as the text as-is is quite cumbersome, not to mention that only French in Québec adds the accent aigu and accent grave to capitalized letters).

If you're looking for some slightly less garbled acronyms, there are a few options: "la Ligue Internationale des Associations de Football" [the International League of Football Associations], "l'Organisation Mondiale des Associations de Football" [the Global Organization of Football Associations], or "le Réseau International des Clubs et Associations de Football" [the International Network of Football Clubs and Associations].
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Actually speaking on the French....why French. I'm a zero football fan here I only know the very basics of how the game is played and practically nothing in terms of how FIFA, the world cup, and all that other stuff works IRL. For our world though I don't necessarily know that we've ever claimed an official international language(s) unless the ICON treaty does, in which case if French is on there then my argument is moot. :lol:

However, if it doesn't and we haven't, does it have to be french? Why not Latin, what Porcu speaks give you and Metz started this whole thing in the first place and you're still around to run it now. Just a thought though, I don't have anything against using French and looking at your suggestions Ghas I kinda like the sound of GOFA as an acronym but I'm partial to silly sounding acronyms.
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Haha, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was questioning the use of French. As an Anglophone who speaks French living in a bilingual Anglophone-Francophone area, I'm never averse to utilizing French for anything...that being said, I would tend to agree with NRE that using a more relevant language for an international organization might be more suitable (not to mention easier on the acronym front, especially given the formulaic nature of the French language).

Although I don't know much Latin or Greek, I think that Porcuian languages could take precedence over something entirely foreign, pun intended, e.g., English, French, Arabic, etc. Keep in mind, though, that though I'm voicing quite a few opinions over here (sorry), I'm not averse to anything that everyone else agrees upon.
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Haha, the only reason I used French in the first place is because FIFA is a French acronym. We can rework this any way we like. :lol:
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I think Latin is a suitable language as it would make sense that Porcu IC would be a strong support of this organization and a leading founder if not the sole founder to an international body dedicated to leading football associations world wide. I'm also very flexible with this though, I'm down with whatever the majority thinks or wants in this matter. Just IMO, a language used by the Porcu seems most relevant.


As for name, again I'm partial to the GOFA or Global Organization of Football Associations which in Latin is roughly Global ipsum Consociationis Civitatum Consociationes if my online translator is correct. Calling it, in shorthand, the GCCC has a nice ring to it. Maybe a bit of a Soviet ring, but a ring nevertheless :P
Edited by NRE, Aug 3 2017, 11:00 AM.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

We could do Latin, but the biggest issue is that there is no comparative for 'football'. I think a more accurate translation would generally would be «Constitutio mundanus» for "World/Global organization" and «Societas/Consociato» for "Association". I had this same issue when creating Porcu's FA crest. If I created a loan word, like many other languages did with football, then it would be something like «pespila», "pes" for foot and "pila" for ball/sphere.

Taking it that way I would guess a Latin translation to be «Constitutio Mundanus Societas/Consociato Pespila»

Alternatively, we could go with Greek. I am not familiar at all with ancient Greek and its differences from modern Greek, but my best guess at a comparative translation would be «Οργάνωση Παγκόσμιων Ομοσπονδιών Ποδόσφαιρο, OPOP» for "Organization of World Football Associations."
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I don't think the Latin sounds bad at all. I think your creation of a loanword, Porcu, is quite creative and works really well. The only thing is the acronym, which I have a feeling will be troublesome in many romance languages.

Now, Greek on the other hand, seems to work pretty well. Granted, I can only read Greek, not really understand it except for "organosi" and I'm presuming "podosfairo" is football; in any case, out of the two, Greek would be my vote and it at least has a fun, and surprisingly Greek-appropriate, acronym.
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Yeah, the Greek is growing on me too. Plus, "OPOP" sounds kinda funny. :lol:
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