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| Gassel's Fate; Curious. | |
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| Topic Started: May 31 2009, 11:27 PM (2,182 Views) | |
| Kasnyia | Jun 18 2009, 07:21 PM Post #151 |
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Weak on Gassel? How can you be strong on Gassel when you have been overthrown? What exactly do you mean by "strong"? Thats like blaming Taiwan not being able to regain control of the mainland. They've spent the greater part of their time trying to prevent Gassel from gaining control of the colonies, to moderate success. They're the ones who have plotted and established spy networks inside the Dominion. Any IC displeasure at Imperial Kasnyia may exist of course, but that is not to say it is AT ALL accurate. The Imperial Kasnyian government has done what it can with what it has. Edited by Kasnyia, Jun 18 2009, 07:31 PM.
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| Konosha | Jun 18 2009, 08:00 PM Post #152 |
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I have to agree. The Kasynian's IC have been very helpful to the downfall of the Dominion, to over-look this, or to say that because Gassel is Kasynian so they dont deserve a seat, would be a crime in itself. I think that there should be a Kasynian judge, and if there isnt, there better be a damn better reason then "Well Gassel came out of Kasynia..." |
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| Union | Jun 18 2009, 08:16 PM Post #153 |
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Not really. The reward for former Dominion powers that rebelled before the fall of Gassel should be simply avoiding a trial (unless they were particularly brutal), as the Italians and French managed to avoid. As stated, no "German should judge a German", so a Kasnyian delegation is out. Rome, was occupied, just as France was, and thus I don't think deserves a space. I would set up a council of 5 judges: 2 Americans, 2 Europeans, and 1 African The Europeans should be Russia and Menhad - due to their long-standing conflict with the Dominion, from the beginning. I do not know enough about any of the other conflicts to nominate individuals. The trial itself should be held in one of Gassel's many palaces. I would nominate the very conference room that saw the WMD begin, for the sake of the irony. |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 18 2009, 08:19 PM Post #154 |
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Menhad will cease to exist by the end of the European campaign. And Kasnyia did not rebel before the Dominion. Imperial Kasnyia has existed since before the Dominion began, so I dunno what you're on about. |
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| Union | Jun 18 2009, 08:31 PM Post #155 |
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Meh. Someone else then. Not Kasnyians. |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 18 2009, 08:38 PM Post #156 |
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Why not Kasnyians. You still haven't given good reason. |
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| Union | Jun 18 2009, 10:41 PM Post #157 |
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Because they are Kasnyians, like Gassel. That's my reason, and its a perfectly good one. You don't need to roleplay every side all the time, Kas. |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 19 2009, 01:21 AM Post #158 |
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If this is an OOC problem you have with Kasnyian involvement, take it elsewhere. If you have a legitimate reason why IC the Kasnyians can't prosecute the one man that has shamed them, go ahead. |
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| Union | Jun 19 2009, 01:43 AM Post #159 |
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Because they are Kasnyians. They have zero credibility. Even before Gassel, Kasnyia was hardly the image of a credible, respectable nation, with its countless colonies, and its uncanny tendency to be found at the center of every international conflict. Historically, the Kasnyians have proved that they are untrustworthy opportunists. Regardless of any of that however, the overriding reason is simply that they are Kasnyians. You have already agreed that a Kasnyian will not be on the tribunal. That is my reason, and my argument. I can say nothing else. You have a remarkable capability to alienate and infuriate. |
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| New Harumf | Jun 19 2009, 07:34 AM Post #160 |
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May I suggest we have an all Kas jury, and only allow Kas to roleplay from now on. Also, I would like to suggest a totally seperate forum for Kas only, where everyone else is locked out, so Kas can just go and play with himself. ^^ |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 19 2009, 01:51 PM Post #161 |
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Dude, I'm not asking for that. Hell, the judge doesn't even have to have any actual power. The only reason I want a judge is to have a Kasnyian be able to ask a fifth of the questions the tribunal wants to ask Gassel as a sort of poetic justice. Hell, I'll even settle for the Prosecutor (if there is such a role). And if thats not acceptable to anyone then fine, I won't have a Kasnyian involved. - Konosha (representing Asia) - Ulgania (representing Africa) - Rome (representing Europe) - Confederacy (representing America) - And someone else. People happy? Jeez. |
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| Sedulius | Jun 21 2009, 04:52 AM Post #162 |
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I know it was quite a bit back, but there was talk of safe havens earlier. Technically, the Order of Saint Patrick (my retconned Order) is a safe haven to those that join it, though they would have to genuinely show they wanted to join to help the order or to repent their crimes. Forgiveness is a central part to Christianity, so it's only appropriate. |
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| NRE | Jun 21 2009, 12:20 PM Post #163 |
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman
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Well technically Kasnyians will have their style of justice, I mean if Gassel was anythnig like Hitler, I'm sure he wanted his name and image remain in his people's history forever. Simply stripping it all away would be justice to an extent. But I must agree, whether it makes sense OOC or not, regardless of the great contributions made by the Kasnyians towards the various coalitions efforts the fact remains that many countries still harbor ill will towards the Kasnyians. No they did not elect him to office but Hitler only one by a small margin so its not like all of Germany stood behind him when he first made it to public office. An how many times have Kasnyians in Kasnyia tried to kill Gassel? Yes, for the leaders and government officials in the know, Royal Kasnyia (what remains of it) has given much to the war effort but the fact remains that to the average Joe, Kasnyia could have and should have done more and as far as they know they did. So for governments to agree to allow a Kasnyian judge or anything beyond perhaps a translator or two would be a political blunder, especially for those democracies worried over re-elections. Also I don't believe allowing a nation in Asia or in the Middle East on the tribunal would be wise. Both regions were overrun and both harbored the greatest amount of Core nations, particularly core states which even before the Dominion harbored great political will within their respective regions. Many free countries would have suspicions that even countries chosen from those regions that were just occupied may still be tainted given the long history of looking towards nations like Nag, Scy, etc for regional policy given their power and influence. So though I did previously suggest one judge from each region, I retake that statement for this one, that is should be two judges from three regions: Africa, the Americas, and Europe. If I had to make a list it would look (a bit incomplete) like this: -Rome and Ulgania (Africa, I put Rome in Africa given that they've stayed primarily stable there compared to other regions where their borders have fluctuated.) -Confederacy and... (not sure who to put here, there are several good candidates but I'm trying to be far and not overlap on players) -Huesca and Yvelinais (Europe, I actually wanted to divide Europe with one Republic and One Monarchy, but the only real choice for a monarchy is Russia and I want to be fair and not double up, though Russia will certainly want in.) Of course I don't mind stepping down and not having any judges represented if someone else really wants in, but that's my list although not complete.. |
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| Filo | Jun 21 2009, 12:30 PM Post #164 |
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NAN will resign any interest to partecipate to a jury. |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 21 2009, 01:38 PM Post #165 |
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France was on the judge's panel and they were overrun, but still tried to fight hard. But I've already conceded for the sake of peace, so whatever. Huesca can't serve since they sucked the Dominion teat for a good while before they finally picked a side. I'd suggest Russia for Europe along with Yvenlais. Confederacy and NAN for America (if Filo wants the gig) And either Rome OR Ulgania (if both, then there would be six judges rather than five) |
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| Filo | Jun 21 2009, 03:19 PM Post #166 |
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As i say before NAN will resign any interest but if no one else want NAN will partecipate |
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| NRE | Jun 21 2009, 03:25 PM Post #167 |
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Well if no one else minds then I have no problem representing two of my nations. An since Filo does not want a spot, and if no one minds a player having more than one nation on the judge panel then I'd suggest Terrel Fen. I'd suggest the Federalist of Eleytheria but that's as tricky as the Kasnyian question so I'll leave it alone. |
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| Ulgania | Jun 21 2009, 03:27 PM Post #168 |
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse
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If people would prefer Rome over Ulgania, I could do Terrel Fen. Ulgania has a bit of a beef with the Dominion aging back for a while now, so I'd prefer doing that. Terrel Fen wouldn't have as great of a basis, as it's only been caught up in two different conflicts, as opposed to the Confederacy. |
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| NRE | Jun 21 2009, 03:36 PM Post #169 |
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Well keeping with the two nation option, we'd need a second nation for Africa...unless we just scrub Africa and leave it to Europe and the Americas, in which case it could be" Rome and Yvenlais (Europe) Confederacy and Terrel Fen (Americas) however, an uneven number gives us the chance of a split vote, perhaps the fifth can be a wildcard decided by the four so as to bring the count to five. |
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| Ulgania | Jun 21 2009, 03:37 PM Post #170 |
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Oh... forgot the two nation option. My B. I'll do both if need be. :lol: NRE, we're going to be ripping Gassel to shreds |
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| NRE | Jun 21 2009, 03:44 PM Post #171 |
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:D of course my logic has created an interest end result, and although I mean no disrespect to anyone I didn't quite figure the Tribunal would look anything like what its looking like. Perhaps we shouldn't try and figure it out now and let the war play out. I know there are talks that Menhad with no longer exist after the war and Germany will be greatly reduced from the Empire it is now. Why not leave the construction of the tribunal to the actual victors of the war. I mean it hasn't all be decided yet, why not wait to see what nation's reach Zapht and then begin deliberations. I mean I for one don't my conceding my place if I should be so lucky to have a nation or two in Zapht at the time and I'm sure that goes for the rest. So lets just focus on the war at hand, get it out of the way, capture Gassel (and perhaps lock him away in an undisclosed location) and then figure out who will fry him. ;) |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 21 2009, 05:07 PM Post #172 |
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Sounds fair. |
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| Toussaint | Jun 21 2009, 09:36 PM Post #173 |
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I'd be glad to have Yvelines send a judge. :) |
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| Telosan | Jun 24 2009, 10:32 AM Post #174 |
The Foremost Intellectual Badass
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I'd like to volunteer a Telosanti judge for America as a backup. |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 24 2009, 03:13 PM Post #175 |
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If Kasnyia can't have a judge, I doubt Telosan can, since we're under similar circumstances of multiple governments representing a singular people. |
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