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| Gassel's Fate; Curious. | |
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| Topic Started: May 31 2009, 11:27 PM (2,186 Views) | |
| Telosan | Jun 6 2009, 08:41 AM Post #51 |
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I pronounce Gassel as Gah-Sel. I always somehow hear him in the voice of my father. Especially the points when Gassel's pissed. :lol: |
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| New Harumf | Jun 6 2009, 10:39 AM Post #52 |
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Gazz-el, as in Jazz and el-evated. Evenly stressed. I think of Henry Kissenger when I imagine his voice. http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=Henry+kissinger&fr=fptb-&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8 Oh, I'd like to see him taken prisoner by his own high command. Edited by New Harumf, Jun 6 2009, 10:41 AM.
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| Kasnyia | Jun 6 2009, 12:29 PM Post #53 |
Chairman of the Bank
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By then most of his command will either be dead, fighting, or fleeing. :D Though I did at one point think of having the Peacock confront him. Then I figured I was making that character TOO important. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jun 6 2009, 02:42 PM Post #54 |
The Devil's Advocate
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Kissenger isn't who I think of, but it's close. |
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| Draxis | Jun 6 2009, 10:26 PM Post #55 |
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Kill Gassel. Capture him do whatever you need to do to have him killed. I want to be able to turn the page and finish the chapter in NS. |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 7 2009, 01:36 AM Post #56 |
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but regardless of what happens to Gassel, his personality cult won't disappear, nor his idealogy. He's got too many followers that cling to various forms he has assumed since leaving the Kasnyian Army, either wanting to follow his methods as a rebel leader, taking inspiration from his days as a legendary mercenary, lauded his tenure as dictator of Kasnyia, or wish to create a similar state to the Dominion. And then there are those who just follow him because its him, the aforementioned cult of personality. And this, not including his family or lieutenants. Edited by Kasnyia, Jun 7 2009, 01:45 AM.
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| Sedulius | Jun 7 2009, 03:57 AM Post #57 |
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I voted escape. I think the Dominion should wholly collapse, of course, but I think that the story potential in Gassel and a continued organization has much potential. I don't think anything nearly as powerful as the Dominion should resurge again, unless for a very good reason. However, Gassel as a warlord or "terrorist" leader, that would be reasonable. I agree that the Dominion will not just simply disappear. However, I think it should be critical to the plot that its officers are methodically hunted down and eliminated. Seemingly benevolent powers should take the lead in wiping out the Dominion, but within the plot elements of corruption must be shown. This is something I had hoped to do with my own countries. Remember, a truly great piece of literature is never black and white unless its focus is to show such a contrast. Edited by Sedulius, Jun 7 2009, 03:58 AM.
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| Draxis | Jun 7 2009, 04:14 AM Post #58 |
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I think you misinterpreted me, I just want Gassel dead, his personal chapter closed. Personality CUlts followers in antartic bases preparing for vengeance I don't mind. Just want Gassel himself dead. |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 7 2009, 12:12 PM Post #59 |
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Aahhh okay. Sorry. :shy: :lol: And Sed, if Gassel lives, he'll never be this powerful again (in the fashion of a national leader anyway), that I pretty much decided the moment I started the Dominion arc. If he comes back, it would be as an uber-warlord/terrorist of sorts. The Dominion itself is going to splinter into successor factions following the fall of Zapht, some that will collapse soon after, others that will take some time, and still others that will stand the test of time with some name changes and other superficial changes to keep the heat off them. |
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| Ulgania | Jun 7 2009, 05:10 PM Post #60 |
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse
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Heh, I smell some 'wars for national liberation' on the horizon |
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| Filo | Jun 7 2009, 05:17 PM Post #61 |
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Hungary and HRE in general can become a safe heaven for dominion officers and politicians, his policy of strict neutrality during the years make it perfect no? |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 7 2009, 05:24 PM Post #62 |
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Indeeeeeed. And Filo, I might just take you up on that offer, especially for the various European honchos of the Dominion who will likely be trapped... |
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| NRE | Jun 7 2009, 10:27 PM Post #63 |
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman
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The Military Republic of Georgia (Northern Georgia) will harbor escaping Dominion officers. Though the leadership his heavily influenced by the Genesian Catholic Church, Generalissimus Marcus Kalatozov has read Gassel book several times had has to a certain degree been taken by his ideology. |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 7 2009, 11:03 PM Post #64 |
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....I knew there was a reason the Dominion spared Georgia. :lol: B) By the way, everytime I think of Gassel in prison, this scene (or at least the first minute of it) comes to my mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKEDgbDuuBk Incidently, Jurgen Prochnow's (largely silent) portrayal gave me inspiration for ol Konstantin here. Edited by Kasnyia, Jun 7 2009, 11:40 PM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jun 8 2009, 12:54 PM Post #65 |
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Well, most people here don't remember when Nag Ehgoeg was a political safe haven. Don't think I'll be taking up any harbouring options. |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 8 2009, 01:07 PM Post #66 |
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Why do I have the feeling that head hunting is going to be a booming profession post-Dominion? So many safe havens... :D |
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| Menhad | Jun 8 2009, 01:13 PM Post #67 |
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I sure a lot of former Menhadien Special Forces would gladly hunt down Dominion officers.... (Side note its seems more and more likely that I will be leaving in December, but I still think I am going to kill Menhad) |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 8 2009, 01:21 PM Post #68 |
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There will be plots that will find those guys necessary. But by then you yourself will be gone I think... |
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| Ulgania | Jun 8 2009, 01:24 PM Post #69 |
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well, that's part of why I put 'wars of national liberation' in quotes. Ha haaaaa, double entendre! |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 8 2009, 01:26 PM Post #70 |
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A painful one. Ouch. :lol: ;) There are also the successor states to take care of. World empires don't disappear overnight after all... I'll have a list of those eventually. Edited by Kasnyia, Jun 8 2009, 01:27 PM.
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jun 8 2009, 01:35 PM Post #71 |
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Will the successor states fight amongst each other like in the era after Alexander, or will they still coordinate their actions? |
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| Kasnyia | Jun 8 2009, 01:40 PM Post #72 |
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That depends on external factors and the leadership of each state. Initially there will be like three hundred fiefdoms or so created from the Dominion's carcass. Majority of them will either collapse (due to lack of resources, revolution, lack of coordination, being overrun by the Coalition, etc.) within the first couple of weeks of Zapht's fall or surrender outright to avoid the aforementioned collapse. The handful that remain are powerful enough that they will consider themselves the legitimate successor to the Dominion Centre in Zapht. There will only be one true successor state however. The rest are vying to become so by might. Which, when one considers the Dominion's core ideology, may be a legitimate reason in and of itself. Edited by Kasnyia, Jun 8 2009, 01:40 PM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jun 8 2009, 01:45 PM Post #73 |
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Will the successor states of a military empire that believes "might is right" fight each other for supremacy? Really dude, what do you think? :evil: Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Jun 8 2009, 01:45 PM.
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| Rhadamanthus | Jun 8 2009, 01:47 PM Post #74 |
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Normally I would agree with that logic, but let's not forget how this empire was formed. Some of the most militaristic, supremacist, xenophobic states in the world decided that banding together would work better than fighting each other. So working together wouldn't be entirely unprecedented. Though I agree that them fighting for supremacy would be better. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jun 8 2009, 02:08 PM Post #75 |
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Ah but there-in lies the fatal flaw. For a start the Supremacists don't play nice together. Secondly you need a real cult of personality to prop something like that up. Minus Gassel... Not saying Dominion Successors can't co-operate. Just that I don't foresee it. |
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