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Six missile tests by NK, supreme court appointment, cyber tzar
Topic Started: May 29 2009, 10:28 AM (518 Views)
Tristan da Cunha
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I'm stunned nobody even mentioned the second Nuclear weapons test North Korea undertook only days ago. Apparently its yield was estimated to be around 2 to 4 kilotons, detonated a few dozen miles from Kimchaek, DPRK.


I think half the posts in this thread are concerning North Korean nukes.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, May 29 2009, 07:38 PM.
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May 29 2009, 06:07 PM
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May 29 2009, 07:34 PM
I think half the posts in this thread are concerning North Korean nukes.
Concerned about North Korean nukes, hell who isn't? That's a given when discussing North Korean military topics. But not a single comment on the recent nuclear test.
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May 29 2009, 07:09 PM
I'm stunned nobody even mentioned the second Nuclear weapons test North Korea undertook only days ago. Apparently its yield was estimated to be around 2 to 4 kilotons, detonated a few dozen miles from Kimchaek, DPRK.
I did mention it... it's decent, but nothing compared to the Tsar Bomba.
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May 29 2009, 07:42 PM
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May 29 2009, 07:34 PM
I think half the posts in this thread are concerning North Korean nukes.
Concerned about North Korean nukes, hell who isn't? That's a given when discussing North Korean military topics. But not a single comment on the recent nuclear test.
I'm not particularly concerned. Like a bunch of Koreans are going to take *me* out... :rolleyes:
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May 29 2009, 07:44 PM
I did mention it... it's decent, but nothing compared to the Tsar Bomba.
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Nobody's really -that- concerned about the nuclear issue because of that you said, as well as the fact that the actual detonation they've tried was a weak one the idea of a city-killer is out of the question for a few more years.


Is this what you were referring to? That could easily be interpreted as the previous test in '06

And come on... Your seriously comparing this to Tsar Bomba...? It's a nuclear weapon, just how many Kilo/Megatons does it have to be to scare the piss out of you? Even if we assume this latest detonation to be the low figure of 2 kilotons, a detonation over Seoul could kill figures similar to Hiroshima (100,000+,) in a single blow with a yield much smaller than the ones we detonated over those aforementioned cities. If we assume it to be of higher yield of 6 Kilotons, this figure could be much higher.

I think its safe to say any nuclear weapon is destructive enough to be worried about who flaunts them, especially when your dealing with someone as irrational as Kimmy. Of course if you really don't care about a few hundred thousand people, then sure, its no big deal... :rolleyes:
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May 29 2009, 08:26 PM
I'm not particularly concerned. Like a bunch of Koreans are going to take *me* out... :rolleyes:
Seriously. Even Osama would piss himself if confronted by you. :lol:
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Regarding the good Tsar Bomba, I'm pretty sure Ulgania was making a joke.

Kim Jong's never going to bomb South Korea, whether using conventional or nuclear weapons. He knows that if he does, the US would literally nuke Pyongyang (with full approval from China and Japan).

The reason Kim's flaunting his nukes is the same reason Saddam Hussein wanted foreign (Iranian, British, American) intelligence to believe Iraq had WMD's in the 90s and 2000s... Kim is afraid (with good reason) that the US will invade North Korea. Kim wants to deter American invasion, just like Saddam attempted to deter Iranian or American invasion by suggesting that any invasion force would be met with chemical and biological toxic weapons.

The only (peaceful) way to get Kim to give up his nukes is to normalize relations, withdraw American troops from the peninsula, and essentially sponsor Kim in the same way the US sponsored Syngman Rhee. There is no other way, short of a war that will kill 100,000's of people, to get him to give up his nukes.

However, my suspicion is that certain elements won't cry over spilled milk if they manage to provoke a large-scale war that kills millions across China, Korea, and Japan, thus in one fell swoop solving the economic depression by destroying the world's excess manufacturing capacity, while conveniently wiping out the huge debt owed by the US to the East Asian countries.
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I kinda made this topic as a joke :lol:

But, my general idea on nuclear weapons is that they're useless. They don't discriminate, and using a single bomb as a weapon in this day and age will result in other major catastrophes. It doesn't matter who's using them.

KJI's paranoia's a little misplaced right now. The US war strategy calls for a two-front war. A large one, and a small one that can be increased in scope when the larger one is able to be contained. A third front in this case would call for supplies to be relocated.

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Is this what you were referring to? That could easily be interpreted as the previous test in '06

Funfact: I was in an airport getting ready to board a flight to London when this happened. You can imagine the mood of the place.
Edited by Ulgania, May 29 2009, 09:14 PM.
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May 29 2009, 08:29 PM
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May 29 2009, 08:26 PM
I'm not particularly concerned. Like a bunch of Koreans are going to take *me* out... :rolleyes:
Seriously. Even Osama would piss himself if confronted by you. :lol:
Damn right. Why does everyone think he is in hiding?
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RD you'd get him on the stand, give him one stern look.....and BOOM...pillar of salt. It'd be very biblical of you :P

And as for my early comments on the Czar thing, I say we go back to the good ole days of using the title Baron, like the railroad Barons of old. At least it sounds a bit more like us. Or take a page from the Romans and make them Praetors, I don't care just not Czars because its silly and only makes me want to laugh in their face harder...and I hate being rude.

As for North Korea nukes, like someone said....they still don't have a reliable delivery system that I know of. The best I've heard is them being able to hit Alaska, and if they want to take out Palin they'll be doing America a favor :lol:

An is there really ever the possibility that Japan would consider creating a nuclear weapon...I mean I know they have the capability but I never figured they'd consider it and for that matter why should they? I mean lets face it, they've got the know-how to build the Death Star for goodness sake, while squander that kinda genius on a damn nuke.
Edited by NRE, May 29 2009, 09:36 PM.
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They don't need nukes or a Death Star. They have a Gundam.

However, they have the know-how to get an effective nuclear program off the ground in an extremely short period of time.
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May 29 2009, 09:36 PM
And as for my early comments on the Czar thing, I say we go back to the good ole days of using the title Baron, like the railroad Barons of old. At least it sounds a bit more like us. Or take a page from the Romans and make them Praetors, I don't care just not Czars because its silly and only makes me want to laugh in their face harder...and I hate being rude.
Its a form of magic actually. The theory, I think, is that by cheapening the Tsar's name by assigning it to petty beauracrats, they will weaken it and prevent a real Tsar from returning. Hopefully, this vile plot will not work, and the Tsar will be restored in due time prior to the end of the age.
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I don't trust Japan with a nuke. This is because Japan is the sole nihilist society in the world. Japan achieved this dubious status after being excessively influenced by Zen Buddhism. In nihilist Zen arithmetic, a human life is roughly equivalent to a cockroach's life or possibly equivalent to the vacuum of space.

Zen Buddhism is fun and all, but when it's taken to heart by a hundred million people, you get a nation of crazy Japaneses who won't bat an eye slaughtering half the world's population - which is no more morally challenging than composing a charming haiku.
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We have a ways to go before that's an issue.

I'm still concerned about them having a Gundam...
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Frankly I'm just glad that Obama picked someone who is a more moderate leftist and not some extreme left-wing Marxist. We knew we weren't going to get a second Clarence Thomas or Antonin Scalia, so let's count our blessings.


First, this. Considering who COULD be appointed, Ithink she will be more moderate than most.

Second, the addition of the "Cyber Tzar" brings the current total to 14. That makes 14 administrators and beureaucrats reporting and accountable to no one except the Bid BO and his sidekick Joe. 14 is pretty close to the max number of Tzars in Russian history. Can anyone tell me when adding another layer of management is a good thing?? or when it has made anything more cost-effective???

As to nukes - I am not too worried about ther nut-case Kim, he ain't gonna blow up anything, and all his recent activity is simply advertising. He will sell bombs to whoever wants one, and some loco Talaban or El Quida will happily place it in the Philadelphia airport or some other convenient location.

Oh, and if we back down in the Far East, Japan will build a bomb so fast your head will spn!
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I think the lack of management the US government has for the internet is a mixed blessing. It lets me continue with my "activities" relatively unhindered, but it does leave them open for attacks from Russia/China/every hacker with a little know-how.

:dry: And I've never partaken in this. I swear.
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As to nukes - I am not too worried about ther nut-case Kim, he ain't gonna blow up anything, and all his recent activity is simply advertising. He will sell bombs to whoever wants one, and some loco Talaban or El Quida will happily place it in the Philadelphia airport or some other convenient location.
Well, with Pakistan the way it is, its really only a waiting game before the Taleban or al-Qaida gets the bomb. I hope that I'm just being pessimistic.
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May 30 2009, 09:04 AM
I think the lack of management the US government has for the internet is a mixed blessing. It lets me continue with my "activities" relatively unhindered, but it does leave them open for attacks from Russia/China/every hacker with a little know-how.

:dry: And I've never partaken in this. I swear.
You appoint a cyber-tzar for the purpose of controlling the cyber-world. Think like a polititian - what would be the only reason Obama and his ilk would have for controlling the internet? Why, to raise revenue!! Say goodbye to your friendly tax-free internet my friends.
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May 30 2009, 09:04 AM
I think the lack of management the US government has for the internet is a mixed blessing. It lets me continue with my "activities" relatively unhindered, but it does leave them open for attacks from Russia/China/every hacker with a little know-how.

:dry: And I've never partaken in this. I swear.
You appoint a cyber-tzar for the purpose of controlling the cyber-world. Think like a polititian - what would be the only reason Obama and his ilk would have for controlling the internet? Why, to raise revenue!! Say goodbye to your friendly tax-free internet my friends.
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May 30 2009, 09:04 AM
I think the lack of management the US government has for the internet is a mixed blessing. It lets me continue with my "activities" relatively unhindered, but it does leave them open for attacks from Russia/China/every hacker with a little know-how.

:dry: And I've never partaken in this. I swear.
You appoint a cyber-tzar for the purpose of controlling the cyber-world. Think like a polititian - what would be the only reason Obama and his ilk would have for controlling the internet? Why, to raise revenue!! Say goodbye to your friendly tax-free internet my friends.
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, we are up to sixteen now, with the new addition of the "pay tzar". I think we should revert to calling them what FDR did under his first administration; instead of "tzars" he called them "dictators". Has a truer ring to it!
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As to nukes - I am not too worried about ther nut-case Kim, he ain't gonna blow up anything, and all his recent activity is simply advertising. He will sell bombs to whoever wants one, and some loco Talaban or El Quida will happily place it in the Philadelphia airport or some other convenient location.


Neither am I worried about him blowing up nukes, or selling them either. From my time over in Taliban country, never once did I see any North Korean made or distributed crap, it was always Russian or even the occassional Chinese firing pin. I don't think Kim has it in him to launch any nukes, because while most of his country has been brain-washed to beleive that American's are physically weak and mentally retarded, he knows (along with his Generals) full well that blowing up a bomb outside of his own country will trigger the US to bomb the living tar out of every inch of N. Korean soil.

Its also true that nobody wants to invade N. Korea, no matter what they say about selling bombs, because the bottom line is that N. Korea is a big black hole where money goes in but never comes out. If N. Korea were worth a cent more than their nukes you'd see S. Korea and China just begging to go to war, but N. Korea is bear, isloated, poor, starving, weak, and feeble. Sure they have a million man army, as well do they have damn good SF who know how to infiltrate the country, but should we be afraid? Helllllllllll NO! N. Korea is gonna bitch and moan, like they always do, and after they get tired of doing that they will go back to their Kim Chi fields and life will resume to normal.
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I dunno, maybe I'm just showing my stunning ignorance nowadays in world affairs, but I've always seen N. Korea is the angsty teenager of the Asian geopolitical sitcom (btw, worst ratings evar). Once Kimmie dies, do we know where his personality cult will turn?

Perhaps this is is a deviation from topic, but according to my dubious sources, the eldest, Kim Jong-nam, isn't that popular with the Army. What I guess I'm saying is, do you reckon we could pull a Castro on N. Korea? It certainly isn't going anywhere, not with the way the cult and the Army are so well entrenched (metaphorically and literally). On the other hand, we can't let it sit around with nukes.

Also, Konosha; have we been introduced, or are you someone renamed?
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Once Kimmie dies, do we know where his personality cult will turn?


Well his son has displayed remarkable intelligence so far, he is also a Colonel in the Army and in Kim's close inner circle. But thats not saying much concering he was probably being groomed to be the new leader ever since the older brother was caught trying to go to Japan. Reguardless it seems that Kim Jong Un isnt as much of a wing nut as his father, which can be a bad thing, or a good thing. He could very well lift his nation out of poverty, retain the same policies as his father, and begin to modernize his Army. He could just as well open dialogue with the rest of the world, instead of giving them the "cold shoulder" of which his father is known for doing, he could stop throwing around stupid threats that only arm the pennisula for war, and after were all chummy he could rise his people out of poverty. I dont know why I have such high hopes for Kim Jong Un, maybe because of his foreign education, then again he could be as nutty as Kim Jong Il and prove me wrong. I hope that isnt the case though.

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Also, Konosha; have we been introduced, or are you someone renamed?[/QUOTE

Dont beleive we have been introduced before.
Edited by Konosha, Jun 13 2009, 04:41 PM.
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