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| Topic Started: Apr 18 2009, 05:03 PM (1,274 Views) | |
| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 18 2009, 05:03 PM Post #1 |
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Ok, so we've hit a wall and fizzled. I think it's time we went back to basics. We need to do something pretty drastic to get NS1 back to life. I'm thinking we retcon out the Dominion... or sum up the Dominion story with a couple of paragraphs and move forward. |
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| New Harumf | Apr 18 2009, 05:14 PM Post #2 |
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The Dominion was a nice idea, but it's no fun fighting an immovable force. Also, everyone has been waiting for NS2, and it seems it is never coming. |
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| Porcu | Apr 18 2009, 05:46 PM Post #3 |
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If in moving on from the downfall of the Dominion why can't we set up a sort of conference where everyone can get together and essentially decide what will happen to the world. New alliances can be brokered, new nations formed, new rivalries forged and, in essence, a new starting ground for future RPs. I'm also thinking about doing a more definitive history of Porcu in the form of a narrative |
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| Eleytheria-Duo | Apr 18 2009, 09:12 PM Post #4 |
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You know, I've been warning that something like this would happen even before I left. Of course, everyone preferred optimism over pessimism. Not that I am blaming anyone. I don't believe we have to "retcon" the Dominion, Nag. The Dominion may be many things, but its happening wasn't natural. Particularly from a RP standpoint, a mish-mash of xenophobic, war mongering, isolationist and expansionist nations, some of which regularly warred with each other or even downright hate each other, all part of the same league. They've had their armies amalgamated, they've had binding laws passed down to them, and they all should know who the real power broker behind it all is now. Instead of just blowing it to pieces and forgetting it ever happened, which to me would be the worse possible action, we should RP its instability... "Chipping" away its power base, little by little, should allow a few counter-groups to spring up (ones that are actually viable) and stand a chance in direct conflict. I'd dish out more details, but I am not in the perfect debating mood right now, if you catch my drift. Though any thoughts are nice, perhaps we can come up with a solution without "erasing" history. |
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| NRE | Apr 18 2009, 10:24 PM Post #5 |
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman
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I agree that a complete recon of the story isn't necessary and as much as I'm ready to end the Dominion and get to entertaining other ideas I have for my various nations, I think since most of us helped this Beast rise we owe it to the story to give it a proper burial. Besides if I understand the basics of the storyline from Kas, the end is certainly close and if we just cut away a little fat, we can get to the meat and eat. From what I understood in conversation with Kas as I came back on the mission to help him end it, the war with Rome(RD) was to be the last engagement before the Dominion retreated to Europe, got stretched to thin, and the end game story was begun. Rome technically hasn't started beyond some very bleak posts and if Paradise is being considered conquered at this point then I don't see why an engagement with Rome can't be skipped all together. I mean Paradise has always been consider the crown of military power in our world. With it under Dominion occupation and practically the rest of the world's older powers (specifically Scy, Nag, and CE) in line with Dominion I don't see why there would be a need to go on. I mean Gassel would be in the perfect position to broker the rest of the world into a "peace" of his own design. If we're making suggestions than would I would suggest is simply cutting out the Rome invasion, have Dominion forces spread out throughout the world, laying order to the Conquered world and in the process being spread too thin as was (if I understood it correct) the design of the original story. However, I have no idea what exactly was to happen in the actually end game chapter, you may know Nag. I do know that there were to be three nations leading the charge, a reference to a level in StarFox 64 and at some point Gassel, knowing he's going to lose launchers nukes as a final way to leave his mark. If no one is willing to be nuked then I personally see no reason to have that bit but if so then hey why not. Point being I for one would rather see the story given a proper burial than simply casting it into the corner as the forgotten child. |
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| New Harumf | Apr 18 2009, 11:16 PM Post #6 |
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I would rather see Gassel assassinated, the Dominion thrown into conflict over which ego should take over, and it's fall from internal warfare. If ya need an assassin, I know a little Amish guy that could do the trick, with the help of his old friend, |
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| East Anarx | Apr 18 2009, 11:22 PM Post #7 |
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There might be enough people interested in Gassel's death to justify a Liberty Pool in Esternarx. |
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| NRE | Apr 19 2009, 12:00 AM Post #8 |
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Well I think we all know its well within character for the Sovereign to assassinate Gassel but in fairness to Kas I was trying to stay as close to his original story as possible. As for the aftermath, perhaps we could have a global in the interest of creating what I was going to creating my League of Nations idea. The basis of my idea was creating a place for nations to join and debate international law as well as putting more structure to world trade. I think it would be perfect as a basis for a aftermath conference since I figured a lot of the world will be put into debate once the wars are over given the amount of destruction and such. Basically like after WWII. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 19 2009, 06:22 AM Post #9 |
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The problem with this is that said "reference" was not supposed to be a minor thing. It was supposed to be the driving force for nations to unite against the Dominion. It was supposed to be a demoralising influence on the Dominion war machine. And it was supposed to be the focus of a fair bit of character centred storytelling. My knowledge of the endgame is limited, but I don't think Kas planned it in a lot of detail. Dominion spread too thin, state of the art fighters become a symbol of resistance and freedom as they carry out unstoppable raids and spearhead counter attacks, resistance and rebellion occurs throughout the Conquered world, unconquered states unite in counter attack, Dominion heads make their own powerplays and Gassel decides that if he can't have the world then no-one can. I'm not saying this with any certainty, but I think Kas wanted Gassel's death implied not explicit. I honestly don't think that we could pull off a last war. Every major Dominion conflict has fizzled. I think it would be better for a couple of people to write up the Dominion's end as a straight narrative rather than an RP - history book style maybe. Then we should all hash out what we wanted our own nations to do during the endgame, write a single paragraph (or so) explaining then start with a "clean" slate. Ending the Dominion Story arc and starting to RP again (say) six months later at a world conference to form the League of Nations seems sensible to me. It'd be a great chance to go recruiting for new members. And ED's Encyclopędia of Nations would be a very useful tool for people to keep track of what's happened to whom. Still, Kas is only at college - it's not like he's dead, we could reach him if we tried. And if everyone is interested in one last "Hurrah!" then I'm willing to put in the time and effort. I'm just presenting the solution that seems easiest. **** As an aside... Stop scrolling and read this bit! ED is putting together an Encyclopędia of Nations. Go here and get your nation in it. I'd like to see every nation with an article, even if it's just the template that links to your nation description thread (or wiki or other webpage). Combined with the introductions thread (I'll probably end up putting links between the two so they marry up) this'll be the most useful tool we have for keeping track of members and getting newbies acclimatised. I don't mean to sound like an ass here, but I'd like it if people considered this a priority. It really is something that we need to get the RP ball rolling again so don't look at is as being optional. You don't have to write encyclopaedia entries for your nations, but there needs to be an overview of what your nation is about. |
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| NRE | Apr 19 2009, 03:30 PM Post #10 |
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So that he's not left in the dark, I think we should get up with him. He's popped his head in a few times in the past week or so, so I don't think that will be a problem. Plus it will allow us to find out who can die and who he wishes to remain alive if we're all on board for bring a swift end to the Dominion.
Well if the majority feel a few posts will suffice and no one is really interested in writing out one finally whoo-ha then I have nothing against it. However, I would encourage us to make it into an RP if only to get people's creativity back and running. I'm not calling for a WOS RP, alot of things can be more summarized than write out long winded, but I think a war RP could help people get back into the game. Of course this could also be done in the aftermath RPs as well so I'm game for whatever :D And yes I encourage everyone to add their part to the Encyclopedia of Nations. ^^ Edited by NRE, Apr 19 2009, 03:31 PM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 19 2009, 04:56 PM Post #11 |
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I think you might be right about getting the creative juices going. RPing it probably is the best way to go. |
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| NRE | Apr 19 2009, 10:20 PM Post #12 |
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Oh and hoping that this will get a good amount of attention from everyone on the boards, might I add that you make sure all the nations you want to keep are still alive on NS so we the mapmakers can keep you on the maps. Thank you ^^ |
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| Ulgania | Apr 19 2009, 10:43 PM Post #13 |
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse
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Considering my semester I'm definitely making my comeback in a few weeks. I just have too much work. But I plan to commit myself as I did last summer. As for the WMD, the sooner the better. I'd like to be able to spend as little time rebuilding as necessary. I think the fewer reconstruction RPs we have in NS1, the better at this point. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 19 2009, 11:33 PM Post #14 |
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I started getting active in NS2 again today; that said, it will take longer for me to get active in NS1 but I am working on it. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 20 2009, 12:54 PM Post #15 |
Chairman of the Bank
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Wow, you guys got into this all by y'all selves. I'm coming back in a couple weeks. I'm gonna skip over the current campaigns (I posted that somewhere) and start the collapse arc. Just gimme some time. Or if you want, I can start now but it will be slow for the first while.
I can work with this, BTW. Fastforwarding to where the Dominion has nearly accomplished its goal would be good. I was going to suggest it myself, but was afraid certain parties would hate the idea. As for every conflict fizzling out, that was partly because I was leaning alot on Scy to provide the conflict early on. Once he left, I had to go straight into Paradise invasion (and I apologize to AQ, Porcu and Ulgania for being so excrutiating slow). Asia, South America, and Africa went fairly well though I thought....Europe went to stalemate and the Middle East was perhaps too ambitious on my part, so that will have to be painted over. But the final arc is worked out very thoroughly. I just need to have a convo on MSN with whomever is willing to talk to work out details. As for Gassel, I have an idea of how to end him, so to speak, but I wanna hear everyone's thoughts. He's the last of my original characters still alive, so his end is precious to me... Edited by Kasnyia, Apr 20 2009, 01:01 PM.
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| NRE | Apr 20 2009, 01:29 PM Post #16 |
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Well if the final story is worked out and you're ready to take the story to the end, I for one am ready to help out. I think you have my MSN name, if not its (goes to check my profile) BeachCowboy86@hotmail.com. Add me and we can discuss what needs to be done. I also encourage others to participate solely for the reasons I suggested above, that it will you the opportunity to stretch the ole RPing muscles again! ^^ |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 20 2009, 01:38 PM Post #17 |
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Thats pretty much the gist of the campaign. I still intend on doing it too. But rather than the aborted effort I did earlier this year, I think I will convo with the players over IM to discuss how to go about it. I too am ready for the end (BTW, I have connected the Peacock storyline with the RL petering out of all the campaigns as being the influence of the top level spy warning the anti-Dominion forces beforehand). Basically the ending arc and the Peacock arc are the only absolutely important storylines left in the Dominion. How we get to them or how the details are can be discussed before hand or played freehand. But they gotta happen. Considering that, in my opinion anyway, the beginning of the Dominion and the beginning of the War itself was a resounding success, I think we can pull off the ending. After all, thats the most important bits of any war. Filler can be added in later about what transpired in the twenty or so years in between at anyone's leisure. |
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| Telosan | Apr 20 2009, 01:56 PM Post #18 |
The Foremost Intellectual Badass
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Can we not put him in an international high security prison? That would leave a chance for more plot lines farther down the road, and possibly even another attempt at the world domination thing when the forums seem ready to take it on. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 20 2009, 02:01 PM Post #19 |
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An interesting idea. I'll add that to my list of considerations. Next? |
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| Porcu | Apr 20 2009, 02:25 PM Post #20 |
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I forgive you :P But concerning Gassel...I think that Telosan's idea is great. Whether or not we end up incorporating the idea of the League of Nations concept Porcu will certainly demand that Gassel be tried in an international court for human rights violations (Obviously this depends on whether such a thing exists already). And if not, no worries, because during the conferences to be held later on Porcu could insist on such a structure for future international security. We could always paint Gassel as our world's Napoleon, banish him to a remote island with a possibility of escape, etc. |
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| NRE | Apr 20 2009, 02:40 PM Post #21 |
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Well if everyone is game for an world conference after the Dominion's end, even so far as to create the League of Nations (Name pending, personally I'll accept anything beyond United Nations to cut down on confusion) then I think a trial is well feasible for Gassel should he be taken alive by whatever force leads to the Dominion's end. Of course I don't think Gassel as to necessarily be taken alive to have the possibility of someone carrying out similar work long after his death. He did after all write a book didn't he? But I do like the idea of a trail, it would certainly be interesting and something I don't believe we've done. The last trial I can think we attempted was a trial for a General of mine during the first Neo-Macedonian Civil War. However, I don't think we ever finished it so doing a trial for his crimes would certainly be fun. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 20 2009, 03:24 PM Post #22 |
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Gassel also has five sons. By the end of the war, only two will be alive (and neither of them will go by the name Gassel and may not even know they are sons of a world dictator).
Edited by Kasnyia, Apr 20 2009, 03:25 PM.
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| NRE | Apr 20 2009, 03:58 PM Post #23 |
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Oh I've also be meaning to make the suggestion that during the first few months or perhaps even years after the Dominion that the world be in something of a economic slum. Personally it would make sense to mean and give us yet something else to work on while we're getting our activity level back up.
Edited by NRE, Apr 20 2009, 04:40 PM.
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| Eleytheria-Duo | Apr 20 2009, 05:23 PM Post #24 |
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While I see the logic of an economic flop, most players don't like RP'ing anything pertaining to it. The last three RP's I've done that even remotely related to economy in any way was the activation of my countries first Nuclear power plant (Wayyyyyy back when things were just heating up between myself and Catholic Europe,) the the construction of the Iron Bison Railway leading into Kasnyian Pacifica, and the Eleytherian Expressway (Highway) expansion. That said, I don't think its a bad idea, just perhaps not ideal. Then again, little is working for us right now and its a good start, along with forming this "League of Nations." As for Gassel... I don't see how it entirely matters if he dies or not, if he lives he may eventually come back for one last "Rah-Rah!" and have his Waterloo, or one of his Sons can learn his true heritage in the future and decide he's the guy to finish what his father couldn't. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 20 2009, 05:56 PM Post #25 |
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I do intend for their to be Dominion revival attempts via various lieutenants and/or sons. Once immediately after the fall in a sort of reactionary kind of way, and any others waaaay down the line. Whether ANY of the ones down the line are successful (not in the same way the original Dominion was of course, as epic RPs are over for me once this ends) will depend on whether anyone is interested at that moment. |
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