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Which Brain Type are you classified under, after taking BOTH tests?
Extreme Empathizing (Extreme E) 0 (0%)
Empathizing (E) 1 (7.7%)
Balanced (B) 0 (0%)
Systemizing (S) 9 (69.2%)
Extreme Systemizing (Extreme S) 3 (23.1%)
Total Votes: 13
Think about your close family members: Do their brain types tend, on average, to be similar to yours?
Yes 4 (40%)
No 6 (60%)
Total Votes: 10
EQ/SQ Test
Topic Started: Jan 31 2009, 04:34 PM (455 Views)
Rhadamanthus
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When you have half an hour, do me a favor. Go to this site and take the EQ test and the SQ test: http://eqsq.com/eq-sq-theory/

These are based by some webmasters on Simon Baron-Cohen's theory of an Systemizing-Empathizing cognitive continuum with males being on average more systemizing and females being on average more empathizing, but with the two ranges overlapping. When you do one test, it will give you a score for that test, which you can compare to male and female averages. After you do the second test, it will show you the same table, except with both your scores that you can compare to the male and female averages. The scores are not comparable across the two tests though; instead, there is an under-the-hood mathematical formula that weights them and classifies you as Extreme E, E, B (Balanced), S, or Extreme S.

I'm curious to see how people stack up on here. My scores are under the spoiler tags:

Spoiler: click to toggle
Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jan 31 2009, 04:34 PM.
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Rhadamanthus
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The Average EQ for males is 39.0
The Average EQ for females is 48.0

The SQ test is on a different scale than the EQ test:
The Average SQ for males is 61.2
The Average SQ for females is 51.7

Brain Types of Experimental Control Groups
Respondent Extreme E E Balanced S Extreme S
Males 0% 17% 31% 46% 6%
Females 7% 47% 32% 14% 0%
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Rafzakael
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EQ 60
SQ 117
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Rhadamanthus
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Rafzakael
Jan 31 2009, 04:46 PM
EQ 60
SQ 117
What category is that Raf?
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Nag Ehgoeg
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EQ: 30
SQ: 60

Systemizing
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Rafzakael
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Systemizing, not extreme.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Science and Industry
EQ 28
SQ 52
Systematizing
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Rhadamanthus
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Preliminary conclusions, based on minimal data points:

1) Our forum is highly systemizing, likely reflecting its majority male status, but also probably because we are also geekier than average as a group.
2) Raf is some sort of specially gifted creature, exelling on both measures.
3) I am emotionally retarded.
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Quaon
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35 49. Systemizing.

I think my Systemizing score might not be accurate. When I am interested in something, I am really interested, but when I'm not, I couldn't care less. My score is brought down by my dislike of biology.
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EQ - 32
SQ - 74

Systemizing, but that seems like a fairly big gap.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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I tend to think of myself as Empathising rather than Systemising.

I mean, I'm not not Systemising - just because I'm shy, doesn't mean I'm not empathetic. Just because images on TV or cruelty to lil furry animals doesn't get me insensed, doesn't mean I don't go with my gut and trust my feelings.

That said, I'm systemising where it counts. I read maps and timetables. I don't obess about the species of plants that I pass when I go walking. My room is a mess and nothing is organised... but when I buy a new piece of hardware, I do obess about every little detail and compare the market as much as possible to get what I want.

...

Ok, yeah, I can see why I'm Systemising.

Also... didn't we do this test before? Last year maybe?
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Rhadamanthus
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Its possible that we did. I however found this while researching Baron-Cohen's underlying theories just recently, and don't think I've been exposed to it before. Also, I was genuinely surprised that my results were as extreme as they were, I thought I'd be regular S, maybe even B, and did not expect Extreme S. So whether or not we did this test before, I don't think I encountered it personally. That said, we have done a number of tests/quizzes on this forum, so we probably have done one or two that cover similar ground.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Romanus Diogenes
Jan 31 2009, 05:19 PM
Preliminary conclusions, based on minimal data points:

1) Our forum is highly systemizing, likely reflecting its majority male status, but also probably because we are also geekier than average as a group.
2) Raf is some sort of specially gifted creature, exelling on both measures.
3) I am emotionally retarded.
As I was taking the SQ test I thought I would also get a low SQ score to accompany my low EQ score, making me brain dead all around. Personally I don't like timetables, schedules, and reading instruction manuals :lol:
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Paradise
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EQ - 17
SQ - 79

Extreme Systemizing
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Rhadamanthus
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Ah Paradise's results are very similar to mine; I'm glad to have some company :lol:

I hope some of our female members will deign to take this test, to see if the theory's main substance is visible from our unfortunately small samples.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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I'm sure we did something similiar before. We all came out as Systemising at first. Then some of the newer members came out as Empathising. Most of the mod team were seriously, extremely Systemising... ok, this is bugging me, I'm gonna look through the old threads...

[Edit]

Went back to page 30. Didn't find what I was looking for.
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Jan 31 2009, 07:13 PM.
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Telosan
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Extreme Systemizing.

EQ: 16
SQ: 70

My score's not really surprising to me. Only thing I can't figure out is why Algebra is my worst subject, and least liked.

I'm not really able to answer some of the questions accurately. When it comes to bank statements and how much I have in an account, etc, I have no idea if I even have an account at all.
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Yeah, I had a few that should have been answered "none of the above", or "not aplicable".

I really am systematic, because I am a programmer, but I really am very empethatic - I cry in movies!

I do not understand why they need age, income, and education.
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Union
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EQ: 65
SQ: 28

Emphasizing.

^^
Edited by Union, Jan 31 2009, 11:15 PM.
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Quaon
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The age/income is for statistical purposes, I assume.
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Telosan
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I do not understand why they need age, income, and education.
Demographics. They compare the info to what they received from other people who took the test. Also on the link that RD originaly posted, it says that there's differences in male/female, category of jobs, etc. They might have gotten that from these tests or whatever.
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East Anarx
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Empathizing - 26
Systemizing - 59

I'm Systemizing apparently. Though I got below the average on both. Hmm... I guess I'm kinda brain-dead all around...
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Esternarx
Feb 1 2009, 02:03 AM
Empathizing - 26
Systemizing - 59

I'm Systemizing apparently. Though I got below the average on both. Hmm... I guess I'm kinda brain-dead all around...
Too many drugs. :P
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Esternarx
Feb 1 2009, 02:03 AM
Empathizing - 26
Systemizing - 59

I'm Systemizing apparently. Though I got below the average on both. Hmm... I guess I'm kinda brain-dead all around...
Well, now that I think about it, the fact that your scores are below or above average in both could largely be an artifact of question selection; different questions might have better displayed your systemizing tendencies; that said, I think that the formula for placement probably focuses more on the differences (once the scores are normalized to account for the different scales used on the two tests) in order to look at your relative strengths. However, IIRC, the Extreme types tend to have high differences and be somewhat deficient on the opposite scale. Hold on a second, let me do a quick search.

The Wikipedia article describes the types as follows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EQ_SQ_Theory)

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Simon Baron-Cohen, in his book, The Essential Difference: The Truth About the Male and Female Brain, hypothesizes that "the female brain is predominantly hard-wired for empathy. The male brain is predominantly hard-wired for understanding and building systems." Baron-Cohen and a team of scientists and researchers at the University of Cambridge, England developed psychological tests that include the Empathy Quotient (EQ) and the Systemizing Quotient (SQ).

Baron-Cohen divides people into 5 groups:

Type E (for empathy) - those whose empathy is significantly better than their systemizing.
Type S (for systemizing) - those whose systemizing is significantly better than their empathy.
Type B (for balanced) - those whose empathy is as good as their systemizing.
Extreme Type E - those whose empathy is intact or above average but their systemizing is below average.
Extreme Type S - those whose systemizing is intact or above average but their empathy is below average.

More females than males are Type E, leading this to also be called 'the female brain'. More males than females are Type S, leading this to also be called 'the male brain'. The majority of people with autism spectrum conditions are Extreme Type S.

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Rhadamanthus
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I have added a new poll. Continue to answer the first poll and post your results if you have not done so already. But one you have done the test, answered the first poll, and given your results, please also take a look at the second poll. What I'm looking at here is whether your family members tend to be similar to you. These types are supposed to substantially heritable, in Baron-Cohen's theory. That said, if your parents are widely divergent types, they may spawn any brain type, so I'm not expecting the answers to all be yes.

In my immediate family, my father is almost certainly an Extreme S like me. My mother is probably a B; I think she some S tendencies and is a computer programmer, but also has E tendencies that balance her (and she could never understand the extreme obsession with logic, strategy, and organization that I've had since I was young). My younger brother is, I think, an S, but probably not as extreme as myself or my father. These are all estimates, as they have not been tested. So if my mother is a B and my father an Extreme S, then two children, an Extreme S and an S, would fall into their expected range of types.

Looking at my uncles, aunts, and cousins, I see various engineering and math types and some doctors; I think it is possible that I have a fair number of S types in my not too distant family. I also have an autistic cousin, and Baron-Cohen's theory is that those with autism-spectrum conditions tend to usually inhabit the Extreme S portion of the EQ/SQ spectrum. So, I answered "yes," that my near family is fairly similar in brain type.
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