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| Vampires vs Werewolves (Town-Win); An NSWR "Mafia" Game | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 26 2009, 04:05 PM (4,903 Views) | |
| Rhadamanthus | Jan 28 2009, 08:29 PM Post #126 |
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I believe this strategy is known as "mass role claim." I was researching this game, IIRC, when we played our first game, and remember it being noted as an effective strategy, but I have to wonder how effective it will be in a game where we don't even know what roles exist. Flumes: What huge possibility? If there are only two scum, one of each, then we have a smaller probability of hitting a scum then usual.... |
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| Menhad | Jan 28 2009, 08:37 PM Post #127 |
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I'm very tempted to vote for TC, to get rid of his annoying mouth... |
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| Paradise | Jan 28 2009, 08:48 PM Post #128 |
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Time's ending. I'm withdrawing my vote for Flumes even if I find him unpredictable. Unvote: flumes And I'm voting for the player I find the most suspicious: Vote: Allesandra My three reasons: 1) She's been playing low profile, but not too much; 2) From a tactical viewpoint, voting for me is suspicious as I elaborated earlier (knowing that I'm not cultist); 3) I must admit, there is a part of tit-for-tat in my vote. EDIT: Oh, I just read Est extended the time by 24h. Don't take into consideration the "Time's ending" part. Edited by Paradise, Jan 28 2009, 08:53 PM.
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| flumes | Jan 28 2009, 09:02 PM Post #129 |
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We have the potential to complete eliminate one of the two cult groups tonight (assuming that there is only one vampire, and one werewolve). They both have the potential to grow exponetially from here out... If we can somehow get one now, it'd be massive for the town. That seems pretty basic... More debatable is my strategy to go after people who are hiding right now... Assuming that the Vampire/Werewolve knows they are the only one of there kind, they are going to do everything they can to get through round one without a death to themselves. If they die now, they lose, it's that simple. Other players on the other hand can still win even with a death to themselves so naturally won't be as scared to come out and make accusations that may actually get them hung... That assumed, why not turn the tables on them? Let's look at that group Paradise posted that are lying low (for whatever reason they may claim.......), and let's hang one of them. I'd bet that we have a better shot of getting one of the scum groups going off those people, then by us who have been posting a ton. I don't care which one of the quiet ones it is... I voted Quaon because he has 7,000 some posts and yet is absent in this thread... I am up for any of the silent ones that Paradise listed.... Make sense? Agree? |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 28 2009, 09:10 PM Post #130 |
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Yes, it makes sense for the most part, except for one thing. If you were the vampire or the werewolf, that would be an excellent argument for you to make to advance your cause. That's the only thing that gives me pause about following your strategy, Flumes. |
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| Union | Jan 28 2009, 09:13 PM Post #131 |
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Vote: Raf He was trying oh so very hard to pin it on TC, with a vigor I've never seen. Meh. |
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| flumes | Jan 28 2009, 09:23 PM Post #132 |
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Firstly, I'm not... I've already stated my role, and I'm not lying... Knowing that, if I had to wager (and I do), I would guess that the smart Werewolve or Vampire is lying undercover right now. By avoiding attention, by not calling out names, they of course live the first day, which is of course the most important for the overall game objective (a team win). Now, maybe the scum are so smart that they knew someone would come out with my strategy and have actively posted in the thread since the start. I doubt that however. Knowing that, and trusting me enough to try this, I think we are giving ourselves a better shot for a win by going after the quiet. Let's say you don't trust me, and you think I'm scum. Here's the thing... You can still go through with this strategy here, and potentially come out with a key lynch. If it doesn't work, keep a closer eye on me. Honestly, I don't feel like anyone has any better plans. This one makes sense. EDIT: And I'm honestly clean! So you've got a potential 2 mafiates out there down low... Edited by flumes, Jan 28 2009, 09:28 PM.
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| Quaon | Jan 28 2009, 09:27 PM Post #133 |
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Jesus Christ Flumes, Seven Thousand posts are not, I haven't been more than sporadically active since September. |
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| Paradise | Jan 28 2009, 09:32 PM Post #134 |
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This does not seem to be Flumes' way of doing things... |
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| flumes | Jan 28 2009, 09:34 PM Post #135 |
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I'm not around here enough myself to confirm this... My reasoning for voting for you over the other quiet ones may be a good bit flawed due to this, and I've already stated that I will switch to any other quiet ones if others think it's best. Your still shady to me though Quaon. This outburst, along with your retaliatory hit on me earlier has done nothing to make me think you aren't a Vampire/Werewolve. If you have an idea about what to do that is better than mine, I'd love to hear it (if you have time, and don't mind being in the spotlight). |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 28 2009, 09:35 PM Post #136 |
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But wasn't he priding himself earlier on being unpredictable? Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jan 28 2009, 09:35 PM.
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| flumes | Jan 28 2009, 09:36 PM Post #137 |
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I really don't think I'm all that unpredictable... I love that people think I am though! |
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| Paradise | Jan 28 2009, 09:39 PM Post #138 |
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Actually, I do find his current strategy unpredictable. Who could have predicted Flumes would come with something that makes some sense (although, it could be more elaborated). Usually, his votes are based on very few evidence, or worst, his votes appear completely random. EDIT: I really doubt Flumes is from the Cult. Edited by Paradise, Jan 28 2009, 09:42 PM.
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 28 2009, 09:51 PM Post #139 |
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Well, ok, we can give that a try. I'm not thinking he's cult right now either. But frankly, I don't like the tit-for-tat voting I see. It makes it hard for me to get a grip on who is a solid candidate and who is being trageted reactively. Did we rule out TC's "mass role claim" strategy? Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jan 28 2009, 09:52 PM.
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| Paradise | Jan 28 2009, 10:03 PM Post #140 |
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I doubt it will work. We would need everyone to post their roles at the same time, which is technically unfeasible. If we try to do this sequentially, we won't reach a critical mass of players because most players will choose the dominant strategy of not revealing their role OR lying about it in order to get the information given by the first players freely. As I said, the Nash equilibrium is that everyone says nothing. In game theory, it is very hard to go against a Nash equilibrium. Personally (I may or may not be talking for others), if I see enough people (about 7) revealing their roles, I will reveal mine. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 28 2009, 10:09 PM Post #141 |
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Following Paradise, since I consider him to be the most trustworthy participant so far. Unvote: Flumes Vote: Allesandra |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 28 2009, 10:14 PM Post #142 |
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Yes, Paradise, I think you are right about the mass roleclaim, so I will vote for one of the quieter folk as we discussed previously. But I've not yet decided on which one to vote for. |
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| New Harumf | Jan 28 2009, 10:31 PM Post #143 |
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Two reasons for my change: 1. She's really quiet. 2. E would make a woman the cult leader because he is a wimp and into femdom stuff! Unvote: TC Vote: Allesandra |
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| Menhad | Jan 28 2009, 10:38 PM Post #144 |
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Oh you old Queen! I still at a lose as to who to vote for. But I feel sorry for TC dieing so quickly so often. Vote: Allesandra Edited by Menhad, Jan 28 2009, 10:39 PM.
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 28 2009, 10:40 PM Post #145 |
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This is good logic, but I feel like if I vote for her now I'll look like a bandwagoner. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 28 2009, 10:42 PM Post #146 |
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Menhad, thanks. That's very sweet of you :rolleyes: Remember, I need the doctor's protection now that I've revealed my role. But I have a guess as to what Paradise's role is and it might be more beneficial for the doc to protect Paradise. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 28 2009, 10:46 PM.
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| New Harumf | Jan 28 2009, 11:01 PM Post #147 |
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Oh, can we all just NOT claim roles? That is lame, especially because so many will be lying. Oh, OK. I am the Speaker of the House, and I am here to stimulate everyone (particularly Menhad, who is so quick to call me an OLD QUEEN)! Edited by New Harumf, Jan 28 2009, 11:02 PM.
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 28 2009, 11:10 PM Post #148 |
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I went over your explanatory post again. I just want you to know that I'm a reckless, reckless bastard and I don't feel the need to recompense you all of your previous night kills, and I won't hesitate to night-kill you as the vigilante (assuming I don't get killed first). So don't feel held back from lodging an accusation against me. :lol: I find it very curious that RD was relatively silent previously, but has made many detailed postings after people called him out for being "too quiet". I feel this is evidence that RD is cult, and is trying to remove suspicion from himself. What say you all?? |
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| flumes | Jan 28 2009, 11:10 PM Post #149 |
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I don't think it's bandwagoning really since we have a good reason (at least as far as I see it)... ... I said I'd vote for anyone in that silent group that others saw as the most suspicious... I'll go with it. Unvote: Quaon Vote: Allesandra Edit: colors Edited by flumes, Jan 28 2009, 11:11 PM.
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| flumes | Jan 28 2009, 11:12 PM Post #150 |
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I agree... I noticed that with a few of that group. |
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