Vampires vs Werewolves (Town-Win)

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Vampires vs Werewolves (Town-Win); An NSWR "Mafia" Game
Topic Started: Jan 26 2009, 04:05 PM (4,905 Views)
Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 04:19 PM Post #76
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 04:17 PM I just hope if you're a night role townie you play a perfect game because you'll have to strain your wits to win without my role. You mean the role you revealed so you're not going to get any kills with it anyway? Or the secret role, just like Nixon's secret, election-night plan to end the Vietnam War?



East Anarx	Jan 28 2009, 04:22 PM Post #77
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Rafzakael Jan 28 2009, 04:19 PM Nixon's secret, election-night plan to end the Vietnam War? Hey, let's not go there. :lol: Edited by East Anarx, Jan 28 2009, 04:22 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 04:25 PM Post #78
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Rafzakael Jan 28 2009, 04:19 PM Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 04:17 PM I just hope if you're a night role townie you play a perfect game because you'll have to strain your wits to win without my role. You mean the role you revealed so you're not going to get any kills with it anyway? Or the secret role, just like Nixon's secret, election-night plan to end the Vietnam War? Since you're being relentless in your campaign to destroy me I'll reveal my true role, which is Vigilante. I totally made up the Townie with Shotgun role in order to protect my ass and minimize my chance of getting killed in the first night (without! getting the doctor involved). Yes, one blunder leads to another, Raf busts out his big book of cliches and formulas, and now I'm forced to reveal my vital role on the first day. Now I must request the doctor protect me the first night. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 28 2009, 04:27 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 04:40 PM Post #79
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	I'm pretty sure all the major night roles are occupied by the so called "veteran" players, including RD and Raf. The eerie feeling I have that RD is mafia persists, and he's refusing to talk. Unvote: Raf (Not an endorsement of his innocence) Vote: RD Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 28 2009, 04:40 PM.



Paradise	Jan 28 2009, 04:46 PM Post #80
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	TC, your "townie with shotgun" seemed to be a role Esternarx could make... Now you say you're Vigilante. I pity you TC, in the last games you were always in the first to die and now it's going the same way :lol: As for my vote, well, right now I'm inclined to vote Flumes for a single reason: this guy is too unpredictable, and I don't like unpredictability in a context of (already) high uncertainty and tri-dimensional game theory. Nothing personal flumes. Vote: Flumes



Paradise	Jan 28 2009, 04:50 PM Post #81
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	Vote count (from my famous Excel table): TC: 3 (NH, Raf, Lebowski) Flumes: 2 (Paradise, Quaon) Quaon: 1 (Flumes) RD: 1 (TC)



East Anarx	Jan 28 2009, 04:51 PM Post #82
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Paradise Jan 28 2009, 04:50 PM Vote count (from my famous Excel table): TC: 3 (NH, Raf, Lebowski) Flumes: 2 (Paradise, Quaon) Quaon: 1 (Flumes) RD: 1 (TC) Verified. From my excel table.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 05:10 PM Post #83
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	TC has roleclaimed a second time on day one, although I'm glad that at least we're discussing other options. I'd like to see what RD and Q have to say, and I will unvote if TC moves into the danger zone. E gave us more time, and we should use it. Seriously, though, 2 roleclaims. Edited by Rafzakael, Jan 28 2009, 05:10 PM.



Allesandra	Jan 28 2009, 05:11 PM Post #84
Only Girl Actively Participating in Threads Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #389 Joined: December 3, 2007	Rafzakael Jan 28 2009, 04:04 PM Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 04:00 PM Not singular. You accused Telosan of being scummy in the first game. Yet he was a vanilla townie, and your definitions of scummy are thoroughly defective. You're lucky I was a vanilla townie last game. If you're a night role townie you won't be so lucky this time. But since you are so adamant about lynching a night role townie, you must be a vanilla townie with nothing to lose, or a vampire or werewolf. Technically I wasn't exactly "in" that game, but I see your point. However, vote flipping (the reason he looked like mafia) is scummy! It's what gave Telo away last game! And even though he was Town, Telo was the right lynch in that first game, because the town operates on the information it has. I'm just glad that the new players didn't take it the wrong way and say "Telo was flipping, and he was innocent. Therefore, flipping is a town tell." Instead, they learned that even the best strategy can bite you in the ass sometimes, like what happened with your lynch last game, but that doesn't mean it's not good strategy. Umm....you're both wrong. As GM last game, Telo was not a vanilla townie, he was a mafiate. Just clarifying.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 05:14 PM Post #85
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Allesandra Jan 28 2009, 05:11 PM Umm....you're both wrong. As GM last game, Telo was not a vanilla townie, he was a mafiate. Just clarifying. Right. The very first mafia game, however, he was a Nilla Townie, and changed his vote something like 8 times in a single day. The first game he only looked scummy, but he repeated it in your game and it got him owned.



New Harumf	Jan 28 2009, 05:16 PM Post #86
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	Allesandra Jan 28 2009, 05:11 PM Rafzakael Jan 28 2009, 04:04 PM Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 04:00 PM Not singular. You accused Telosan of being scummy in the first game. Yet he was a vanilla townie, and your definitions of scummy are thoroughly defective. You're lucky I was a vanilla townie last game. If you're a night role townie you won't be so lucky this time. But since you are so adamant about lynching a night role townie, you must be a vanilla townie with nothing to lose, or a vampire or werewolf. Technically I wasn't exactly "in" that game, but I see your point. However, vote flipping (the reason he looked like mafia) is scummy! It's what gave Telo away last game! And even though he was Town, Telo was the right lynch in that first game, because the town operates on the information it has. I'm just glad that the new players didn't take it the wrong way and say "Telo was flipping, and he was innocent. Therefore, flipping is a town tell." Instead, they learned that even the best strategy can bite you in the ass sometimes, like what happened with your lynch last game, but that doesn't mean it's not good strategy. Umm....you're both wrong. As GM last game, Telo was not a vanilla townie, he was a mafiate. Just clarifying. That's what I thought! Not changing my vote. Someone sitting there claiming role after role is either Peter Sellers, or scum. My guess, scum. As for Flumes - he just smells guilty.



Allesandra	Jan 28 2009, 05:20 PM Post #87
Only Girl Actively Participating in Threads Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #389 Joined: December 3, 2007	Paradise Jan 28 2009, 02:47 PM Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 01:45 PM I have a very nice role which I can publicly state. I'm a Townie with Shotgun. I can only be killed if two or more people target me at the same time. Anyone (vamp, werewolf, vigilante, assassin, etc.) who tries to kill me alone, dies, and I survive. That means if you lynch me you'll lose a valuable town asset, because I can potentially take out a lot of mafia with my role. I'm calling for RD's lynching because he said something that doesn't strike me as what a townie would say. Perhaps he's trying to warn his fellow mafiates not to speak up? Maybe that logic doesn't really make sense. Perhaps there is only one mafiate on a team right now. But as Paradise laid down the logic, we definitely should do a lynch and RD's a good candidate because he would be an extremely dangerous foe to contend with if he's mafia. Are you "immunized" to werewolf/vampire "transformation", like the cop or the vigilante? I cannot personnally state my role right now or I may become a primary target for the vampires/werewolves. Let's just say that my role is a "trump card" for the Town. And yes, if we don't lynch someone right now it will become much harder to win because of that transformation thing. I will come back later with my vote, I'm at work right now (on my break). Okay, this bothers me. Paradise, you're calling yourself the "trump card" of the Town. This means you're one of two roles: Mayor or Vampire/Werewolf. Now, right now, considering in past posts you've spent time trying to numerically figure how many vamps/werewolves there are, it makes me think you might have some insight into one of those numbers. And you being a "trump card" for the Town could just mean that you could turn some of us into your team so we could still win on the Dark side. Doesn't sound too appealing to me to leave to chance. Vote: Paradise



flumes	Jan 28 2009, 05:38 PM Post #88
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	Paradise Jan 28 2009, 04:46 PM TC, your "townie with shotgun" seemed to be a role Esternarx could make... Now you say you're Vigilante. I pity you TC, in the last games you were always in the first to die and now it's going the same way :lol: As for my vote, well, right now I'm inclined to vote Flumes for a single reason: this guy is too unpredictable, and I don't like unpredictability in a context of (already) high uncertainty and tri-dimensional game theory. Nothing personal flumes. Vote: Flumes :lol: While people voting against me isn't a good thing... I like being known as the unpredictable guy. Very spy like. B) ... All flattery aside, everyone is missing an easy townie win by ignoring Q. This game, more so than our past mafia games, I think it is fair to say the Vampires/Werewolves are going to try to avoid attention. Assuming that both mafiate groups are now at just 1 person, voting that one out before they could get big #'s would be HUGE. Therefor, each group (if smart, like Q) will not draw ANY attention to themselves this round. Look at those who have avoided attention thus far..... Who jumps out? Quaon. Quaon has not posted other then a quick retaliation vote against me... No explanation given there. Vote him, and I'm pretty certain we (the town) will be in some very good shape. Don't get caught up in the TC/Raf scuffel, it is nothing more then the TC/RD scuffel last game... This time around, with the new game rules changed we can't get involved in such petty affairs.



Rhadamanthus	Jan 28 2009, 05:46 PM Post #89
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	I haven't responded yet mostly because I don't know what I'm responding to. TC hasn't given any substantial reason for voting for me, so I'm not going to get all caught up responding to him like last time. But I'm not going to assume that just because his argument makes no sense that he is scum; that was a mistake last game too.



Paradise	Jan 28 2009, 05:49 PM Post #90
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	I have a special role created by Esternarx, and it is not mayor. However the fact that you target me is an interesting reaction. If I made that up, I may very well be from the Cult, and if that's the case I would be killed by the other cultist in the first night (getting rid of the competition to secure all vanilla townies is a win-win strategy for the Cult). Basically, it would be very stupid of me to say such a thing if it's not true. Don't forget, this is tri-dimensional game theory. What I say is true, and I don't even expect to be targeted during the first nights because I believe the cultists will go for the vanilla townies OR for the other cultist (either to expand their numbers or get rid of the competition). However, if I was cultist, I'd probably try to lynch Paradise during the day knowing that the first night I could concentrate on the other Cultist or on expanding my team. In my book, this makes you suspicious (unless you forgot the tri-dimensional factor, which could be the case.). For now, I maintain my vote for Flumes because it is true that I find his unpredictability annoying. EDIT: I was responding to Allesandra. Edited by Paradise, Jan 28 2009, 05:50 PM.



lebowski2123	Jan 28 2009, 06:31 PM Post #91
Resident? Posts: 1,535 Group: Members Member #257 Joined: July 22, 2006	I don't understand, what if you're not a member of either cult Paradise. What happens when, now that you've said you have an essential role for the town that the town cannot do without, you die the first night?



Paradise	Jan 28 2009, 06:49 PM Post #92
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	What would you do the first night if you were the only werewolf?



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 06:52 PM Post #93
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Paradise TC, your "townie with shotgun" seemed to be a role Esternarx could make... Exactly, that was the conceit. Paradise I pity you TC, in the last games you were always in the first to die and now it's going the same way :lol: :sad: :lol: I'm voting Flumes right now, since he has the most votes. I have no idea what role he is but he's definitely not as important as my role. Better his death than mine. This is the logical thing for me to do when there's so much uncertainty. Makes me look scummy, but you know how I operate. I don't shy away from abrasiveness when the only ways we're able to get clues are from game mechanics and provoking conversation. Unvote: RD (Not an endorsement of his innocence) Vote: Flumes Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 28 2009, 06:54 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 07:02 PM Post #94
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Paradise Jan 28 2009, 06:49 PM What would you do the first night if you were the only werewolf? By virtue of being veteran and experienced members, RD and Raf have night roles. Wouldn't surprise me if they are the two cult leaders. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 28 2009, 07:02 PM.



East Anarx	Jan 28 2009, 07:07 PM Post #95
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Why do you assume I gave the night roles to "veteran and experienced members?"



Paradise	Jan 28 2009, 07:08 PM Post #96
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	How so? Personally, if I was the only werewolf, I would definitely try to target a vanilla townie or, if possible, the only vampire. I would also stay very low profile during the first days to avoid detection, pretexting that I had some important stuff to do. Just before the end of the day, I may change my vote for someone who hasn't posted yet...



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 07:09 PM Post #97
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Allesandra Jan 28 2009, 05:20 PM Okay, this bothers me. Paradise, you're calling yourself the "trump card" of the Town. This means you're one of two roles: Mayor or Vampire/Werewolf. Now, right now, considering in past posts you've spent time trying to numerically figure how many vamps/werewolves there are, it makes me think you might have some insight into one of those numbers. And you being a "trump card" for the Town could just mean that you could turn some of us into your team so we could still win on the Dark side. Doesn't sound too appealing to me to leave to chance. Vote: Paradise I don't think Paradise is scum. He's just systematic and methodical. The fact that Paradise has posted with great urgency and thoroughness supports his claim of being a townie, because he (as a townie) knows that time is against the town in this game.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 07:11 PM Post #98
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Esternarx Jan 28 2009, 07:07 PM Why do you assume I gave the night roles to "veteran and experienced members?" Because TC and, I believe, Paradise both have night roles. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 28 2009, 07:12 PM.



flumes	Jan 28 2009, 07:18 PM Post #99
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	I'd really rather not reveal my town role... The details of it would make me a target to certain people, especially later on... Yes, this is a special role... That is all I will say... Some people claiming to have special roles are almost certainly lying... I again will say go after Q or someone else who is hiding right now. Day 1 is a golden chance for us to get on faction out of the game. If not Quaon, then someone else looking to expand there turf while not getting killed soon. Edited by flumes, Jan 28 2009, 07:20 PM.



Paradise	Jan 28 2009, 07:25 PM Post #100
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	flumes Jan 28 2009, 07:18 PM I'd really rather not reveal my town role... The details of it would make me a target to certain people, especially later on... Yes, this is a special role... That is all I will say... Some people claiming to have special roles are almost certainly lying... Am I the only one seeing the HUGE contradiction in this post? So much something only Flumes would say :lol:


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