Vampires vs Werewolves (Town-Win)

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Vampires vs Werewolves (Town-Win); An NSWR "Mafia" Game
Topic Started: Jan 26 2009, 04:05 PM (4,906 Views)
Quaon	Jan 28 2009, 02:56 PM Post #51
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Vote: Flumes.



New Harumf	Jan 28 2009, 03:02 PM Post #52
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	Quaon Jan 28 2009, 02:56 PM Vote: Flumes. A. Your vote is not in red, therefore it is a non-vote. B. Any particular reason to vote Flumes?



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 03:03 PM Post #53
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Worst. Roleclaim. Ever. A. It's day one. Day one roleclaim = scum. B. You only had 2/7 votes against you. Hasty roleclaim = scum. C. By claiming that role, on the off chance you're telling the truth, you effectively negated your killing ability, and thus, the reason you give for us to keep you around. My vote stays with TC. Edited by Rafzakael, Jan 28 2009, 03:06 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 03:06 PM Post #54
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Paradise, yes I'm immune to cult. Raf is probably a vanilla townie. He doesn't care if the special night role townies get killed, because if Raf gets bitten by vamp/werewolf he will still have a chance to win the game.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 03:08 PM Post #55
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 03:06 PM Paradise, yes I'm immune to cult. Raf is probably a vanilla townie. He doesn't care if the special night role townies get killed, because if Raf gets bitten by vamp/werewolf he will still have a chance to win the game. Or I'm the guy calling your BS. You tell us not to lynch you because you can get some kills for us, and yet, revealing your role means that the scum are less likely to target you. Seems counterproductive, no?



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 03:09 PM Post #56
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	I didn't think it through, it's been a long day OK?



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 03:12 PM Post #57
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 03:09 PM I didn't think it through, it's been a long day OK? I think you're smarter than that. But I also think you're a desperate scumbag. My vote stays.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 03:18 PM Post #58
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	No, actually I thought my roleclaim would benefit the town by keeping me alive. But now I realize I made a mistake. Raf, unless you are a vanilla townie, vampire, or werewolf, you'll seriously regret lynching me. I can only conclude you're one of those 3, since you're so committed to taking out a night role townie. It wouldn't necessarily damage the town's interests to lynch you even if you're a vanilla townie since you'll probably be converted to cult. Unvote: RD (not an endorsement of his innocence) Vote:Raf Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 28 2009, 03:19 PM.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 03:25 PM Post #59
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	... Seriously? You're now going to vote for someone who you have already stated you believe is a townie? We need to get rid of you ASAP. Would the real Mayor please stand up? Lynching vanilla townies is not, in fact, beneficial, as it just increases the odds of a key role getting killed. Sure, it's not so greivous as killing the Cop, but dead townies are, quite obviously, bad for the town. Edited by Rafzakael, Jan 28 2009, 03:25 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 03:26 PM Post #60
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	You're giving me way too much credit, Raf. I'm not that amazingly cunning.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 03:29 PM Post #61
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	You misunderstand me. I'm not accusing you of being cunning. I'm accusing you of making repeated blunders ~~in the last half hour.~~ EDIT: Make that since the beginning of the game, when you called the other players to bandwagon on a logic-less vote that you have yet to defend. Edited by Rafzakael, Jan 28 2009, 03:30 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 03:30 PM Post #62
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	I admit I made some blunders. That doesn't mean I'm mafia. I'm simply a highly incompetent townie.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 03:31 PM Post #63
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 03:30 PM I admit I made some blunders. That doesn't mean I'm mafia. I'm simply a highly incompetent townie. Just like Telo was last game?



lebowski2123	Jan 28 2009, 03:34 PM Post #64
Resident? Posts: 1,535 Group: Members Member #257 Joined: July 22, 2006	Yeah Raf is making a lot of sense right now Vote: TC



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 03:34 PM Post #65
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Look, I admit my blunders put not only myself but the entire town at risk. If you want to draw comparisons with Telo last game why don't you draw comparisons to TC last game? I recall you helped lynch me last game, also on the first day. That draws into question your logic and methods. Granted it draws into question my ability to avoid blunders, but what I'm saying is that there is not one speck of useable logic in your postings this game.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 03:40 PM Post #66
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Rafzakael Jan 28 2009, 03:03 PM Worst. Roleclaim. Ever. A. It's day one. Day one roleclaim = scum. B. You only had 2/7 votes against you. Hasty roleclaim = scum. C. By claiming that role, on the off chance you're telling the truth, you effectively negated your killing ability, and thus, the reason you give for us to keep you around. My vote stays with TC. ^ I got your logic right here. ^ You're scum, and you got a couple votes on your head. So you panicked and screwed up. Then you kept screwing up. Edited by Rafzakael, Jan 28 2009, 03:42 PM.



New Harumf	Jan 28 2009, 03:45 PM Post #67
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	Gotta go with Raf on this one, and my initial investigation! :lol: The mirror test never lies. :rolleyes:



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 03:47 PM Post #68
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Rafzakael Jan 28 2009, 03:40 PM Rafzakael Jan 28 2009, 03:03 PM Worst. Roleclaim. Ever. A. It's day one. Day one roleclaim = scum. B. You only had 2/7 votes against you. Hasty roleclaim = scum. C. By claiming that role, on the off chance you're telling the truth, you effectively negated your killing ability, and thus, the reason you give for us to keep you around. My vote stays with TC. ^ I got your logic right here. ^ You're scum, and you got a couple votes on your head. So you panicked and screwed up. Then you kept screwing up. You keep resorting to formulas and cliches like "Day one roleclaim = scum". I recall you used some famous cliches in previous games that also were of no use. Consider for once that your by-the-book formulas will lead to an contrary result, as they have repeatedly in the past. Of course all of this is of no concern to you if you're vampire, werewolf, or vanilla townie waiting to be converted to cult.



East Anarx	Jan 28 2009, 03:52 PM Post #69
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Quaon Jan 28 2009, 02:56 PM Vote: Flumes. Vote tallied. But in the future, please use proper formatting, (i.e. VOTE: Flumes and UNVOTE: Flumes) The vote now stands at: TC - 3 Raf - 1 flumes - 1 Quaon - 1 (7 votes needed to lynch) EDIT: Also, note that due to a request I have extended the Day 1 deadline by one more day. Day 1 will now end on January 29, 9:00 pm CDT, or whenever a majority is achieved. Edited by East Anarx, Jan 28 2009, 04:10 PM.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 03:56 PM Post #70
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 03:47 PM You keep resorting to formulas and cliches like "Day one roleclaim = scum". I recall you used some famous cliches in previous games that also were of no use. Consider for once that your by-the-book formulas will lead to an contrary result, as they have repeatedly in the past. Of course all of this is of no concern to you if you're vampire, werewolf, or vanilla townie waiting to be converted to cult. Previous game. Singular. And in that game, thanks to you and NH, I pegged two of the mafiates. If you aren't scum, then stop looking scummy, dammit. EDIT: I'd like to note that Q is ninja voting, and unjustified, even though conversation is already well started. But we kill what we know first, then worry about the question marks. Edited by Rafzakael, Jan 28 2009, 03:59 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 04:00 PM Post #71
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Not singular. You accused Telosan of being scummy in the first game. Yet he was a vanilla townie, and your definitions of scummy are thoroughly defective. You're lucky I was a vanilla townie last game. If you're a night role townie you won't be so lucky this time. But since you are so adamant about lynching a night role townie, you must be a vanilla townie with nothing to lose, or a vampire or werewolf.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 04:04 PM Post #72
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 04:00 PM Not singular. You accused Telosan of being scummy in the first game. Yet he was a vanilla townie, and your definitions of scummy are thoroughly defective. You're lucky I was a vanilla townie last game. If you're a night role townie you won't be so lucky this time. But since you are so adamant about lynching a night role townie, you must be a vanilla townie with nothing to lose, or a vampire or werewolf. Technically I wasn't exactly "in" that game, but I see your point. However, vote flipping (the reason he looked like mafia) is scummy! It's what gave Telo away last game! And even though he was Town, Telo was the right lynch in that first game, because the town operates on the information it has. I'm just glad that the new players didn't take it the wrong way and say "Telo was flipping, and he was innocent. Therefore, flipping is a town tell." Instead, they learned that even the best strategy can bite you in the ass sometimes, like what happened with your lynch last game, but that doesn't mean it's not good strategy. Edited by Rafzakael, Jan 28 2009, 04:06 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 04:10 PM Post #73
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Your arguments are nonsensical, and you keep referring to a situation that doesn't even apply. Telosan was scum because he shadowed Huesca everywhere he went, not because of vote flipping. Vote flipping isn't scummy at all. Telosan was lynched in the first game because of vote flipping. An astute observer would've realized he wasn't mafia. True, the town operates on the information it has but the information you are feeding the town is useless and will severely damage the town.



Rafzakael	Jan 28 2009, 04:15 PM Post #74
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Tristan da Cunha Jan 28 2009, 04:10 PM Your arguments are nonsensical, and you keep referring to a situation that doesn't even apply. Telosan was scum because he shadowed Huesca everywhere he went, not because of vote flipping. Vote flipping isn't scummy at all. Telosan was lynched in the first game because of vote flipping. An astute observer would've realized he wasn't mafia. True, the town operates on the information it has but the information you are feeding the town is useless and will severely damage the town. It's the same principle. Telosan, in the early game, was following wherever the recent vote went. He did the same thing in the last game, only it happened to be Huesca's bandwagon twice, and Menhad's once. Had Huesca not been revealed as scum, it still would have been suspicious, though not damning. EDIT: I should make a distinction between "changing" and "flipping." Flipping involves little, if any, logic and occurs with too high a frequency. Edited by Rafzakael, Jan 28 2009, 04:18 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 28 2009, 04:17 PM Post #75
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	I just hope if you're a night role townie you play a perfect game because you'll have to strain your wits to win without my role.


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