Vampires vs Werewolves (Town-Win)

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Vampires vs Werewolves (Town-Win); An NSWR "Mafia" Game
Topic Started: Jan 26 2009, 04:05 PM (4,894 Views)
Allesandra	Feb 5 2009, 12:17 PM Post #351
Only Girl Actively Participating in Threads Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #389 Joined: December 3, 2007	I'm telling you guys, Quaon was just making a last-ditch effort to get rid of a townie when he told you guys I was his cohort. I'm actually quite suspicious of Menhad, whom he alluded to before editing his post.



flumes	Feb 5 2009, 12:40 PM Post #352
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	Allesandra Feb 5 2009, 12:17 PM I'm telling you guys, Quaon was just making a last-ditch effort to get rid of a townie when he told you guys I was his cohort. I'm actually quite suspicious of Menhad, whom he alluded to before editing his post. Well of course you would tell us that. :lol: Can anyone else verify this Menhad claim?



Paradise	Feb 5 2009, 01:05 PM Post #353
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	New Harumf Feb 5 2009, 10:04 AM There is a point of interest we are missing: 1. For every night there can be two turns, one for the Vampyres, and one for the Warewolves. 2. Obviously, killing the "King" of a cult does not prevent his/her minions from turning people. 3. I think we might be more infested than we think. 4. RD may investigate someone one night, and they could be turned the next, so although they were innocent once, they may not STILL be innocent. 5. This is really getting messy, so, today for lunch, vegetable garlic soup. See who turns up their noses! Right now, I think on these foggy nights where nothing appears to happen, something happens, but I don't know what! I am going to wait to hear from the cop and see what he has to say. Telosan, you really opened your mouth too early, as did RD. Since the Doc can only protect one person a night, I think you two are in BIG TROUBLE. I would like everyone to just give a preliminary guess - do it in blue so as not to be mistaken as a vote: Guess: Allesandra Allesandra would be my guess too, it seems likely that Quaon would try to make us believe that she is a werewolf, knowing that we would not believe him and rather guess Allesandra is a townie. This is a good "reverse psychology" strategy. Furthermore, Allesandra was already in my suspicious list since the beginning so...



Rhadamanthus	Feb 5 2009, 01:07 PM Post #354
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	I'm not suspicious of Allesandra; she is in fact one of the people I'm highly un-suspicious of. Honestly, I'm a bit disheartened. I thought we played a good game and won. I thought that nothing happened unless the gamemaster told us something happened, so I decided not to build the case against Quaon I was originally planning to yesterday, based on logic alone, and revealed my role instead. Now that was perhaps not the best idea :( Ok, well, there are eight of us left: Allesandra Flumes NH Paradise Telosan RD Menhad Lebowski When I have some more time, I will try to do a case by case analysis of each person, but for now, perhaps others could do a once-through and see what we know about each person? I'm actually wondering if, now that we are down to eight people and have done some serious scum-killing, a mass role claim might not be an effective way to expose any contradictions? Once again, the person I investigated last night was town, so its not useful information. I don't want to reveal who it is, so as not to expose them to scummy attention if we don't win today. Edited by Rhadamanthus, Feb 5 2009, 01:08 PM.



Paradise	Feb 5 2009, 03:19 PM Post #355
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	There is too much uncertainty right now to reveal my role, but if most people do it I will do it too. EDIT: BTW, I don't intend to post something before 20:00. I'm going to have a drink with co-workers after my shift. Edited by Paradise, Feb 5 2009, 03:23 PM.



Telosan	Feb 5 2009, 03:20 PM Post #356
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	Quote: Telosan, you really opened your mouth too early, as did RD. Since the Doc can only protect one person a night, I think you two are in BIG TROUBLE. Yes I realized that the moment the game didn't end. I have a one time use ability. RD has unlimited and with much more power than I. Save RD regardless. We have a pretty unified front right now, so a forced lynch ability seems rather useless at the moment. Allesandra - Everyone has been suspicious of her for quite some time. Not alot of posts until these suspicions became public and a talked about topic. SUSPICIOUS Flumes - An active participant the entire time. Brings up many important points, but never hinted to a role. Could be a regular townie, posing him at risk of being a cultist. Now Flumes, I'm not saying you should reveal your role, but its just a point on here. POSSIBLE NH - Shows up every so often, with good points. Can't remember much more right now. RD - Very high chance he is telling the truth here. He's had a great record straight through. He has now caused the death of both a Vampire and a Werewolf. Thus meaning he is not a member of either cult. INNOCENT Menhad - Where is he? Does he even know he's still playing? SUSPICIOUS Lebo - Also doesn't show up too often. Can't think of anything more right now. Also, since I don't have enough time right now, if someone could look back and find out who voted for who, it might be something good to consider.



Rhadamanthus	Feb 5 2009, 04:57 PM Post #357
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Telosan Feb 5 2009, 03:20 PM Also, since I don't have enough time right now, if someone could look back and find out who voted for who, it might be something good to consider. Of those alive, we have all voted for both a werewolf and a vampire with three exceptions: Allesandra has not voted for a werewolf or a vampire, but at least a couple days, she has not been on until after we scored a quick majority. Menhad and Lebowski have both voted for wolves but not a vampire, but once again, they were not on on the day we killed the vampire until we got the majority. That said, tracking votes has some hiccups in the this game because people can get converted and change sides. I feel like I have a blindfold on.



New Harumf	Feb 5 2009, 06:03 PM Post #358
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	Romanus Diogenes Feb 5 2009, 04:57 PM Telosan Feb 5 2009, 03:20 PM Also, since I don't have enough time right now, if someone could look back and find out who voted for who, it might be something good to consider. Of those alive, we have all voted for both a werewolf and a vampire with three exceptions: Allesandra has not voted for a werewolf or a vampire, but at least a couple days, she has not been on until after we scored a quick majority. Menhad and Lebowski have both voted for wolves but not a vampire, but once again, they were not on on the day we killed the vampire until we got the majority. That said, tracking votes has some hiccups in the this game because people can get converted and change sides. I feel like I have a blindfold on. Yeah, this is a real problem. One minute they are clean, the next minute they are scum. Here is a crucial question - if you investigate someone the same night they get converted, what happens first? The investigation or the conversion? I mean, my God! If the results of the investigation happen BEFORE the conversion, investigation almost becomes worthless!! So the only thing we know are that the Mayor, Doctor and Cop are not scum!! The Assassin is dead. I really don't know where to go here. I am really prepared to follow whoever steps up to lead. One thing I am sure of - we have killed the ORIGINAL Scum. The reason the game is not over must be because the converted have taken over! Now, is there one left? Two? Three?? Four????? This game could end with Vamps against Wolves and everybody else dead or converted. I am hiding in a hole!! Hell, everyone EXCEPT the Cop, Mayor and Doctor could already be SCUM!! We need to step very carefully here. This is what I know: Cop is RD. He is not scum. Mayor is CLAIMED by Telosan. Don't know for sure. Doctor is unknown, and this is a good thing. We know that at one time or another Paradise, Flumes, Me have voted for both a warewolf and a vampyre, but we could have been converted (though one of us could be the Doctor, and, perhaps, depending on Telosan's truthiness, another could be the Mayor). We know Allesandra has NEVER voted for a Vampyre or Warewolf. We know Menhad and Lebowski have Never voted for a Vampyre. Here's my best guesses: RD - Cop Telosan - Mayor Paradise - townie (Maybe Dr.) Flumes - townie (Maybe Dr.) Me - townie (Maybe Dr.) Menhad - Vampyre Lebowski - Vampyre Allesandra - Warewolf I could be dead wrong about this, but I personally think our safest kill is Allesandra. Therefore, Vote: Allesandra Unless I hear from RD that he has investigated her and found her innocent, or unless RD leads a vote against someone else because he doesn't want to reveal her true identity.



Rhadamanthus	Feb 5 2009, 06:43 PM Post #359
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	New Harumf Feb 5 2009, 06:03 PM Vote: Allesandra Unless I hear from RD that he has investigated her and found her innocent, or unless RD leads a vote against someone else because he doesn't want to reveal her true identity. I won't vote for her yet; I got a strong hunch on her role. But I haven't investigated her, so I can't be sure, and I don't have an alternate target, so I won't try to dissuade you at this point. Anybody know how much time we got left? But before the rest of you add your votes to Harumf's, lets see what she can say on her behalf, ok? Edited by Rhadamanthus, Feb 5 2009, 06:50 PM.



Rhadamanthus	Feb 5 2009, 06:53 PM Post #360
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	New Harumf Feb 5 2009, 06:03 PM Yeah, this is a real problem. One minute they are clean, the next minute they are scum. Here is a crucial question - if you investigate someone the same night they get converted, what happens first? The investigation or the conversion? I mean, my God! If the results of the investigation happen BEFORE the conversion, investigation almost becomes worthless!! Yes, this is a serious, serious problem. I don't know the order of operations for night roles, or if there even is one. I was actually quite concerned by this when I was doing my investigation; the information I have on town players might be rubbish before I can even apply it... I think it is clear that one of two things happened: 1) Something happened during the eerie fogs, or 2) There were more scum to start than we thought Alternatively, perhaps, 3) Esternarx simply decided to stop saying how many people were converted. In retrospect, I would have voted for a full rules reveal at the poll in the beginning of this thread :lol:



Rhadamanthus	Feb 5 2009, 06:54 PM Post #361
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Allesandra Feb 5 2009, 12:17 PM I'm telling you guys, Quaon was just making a last-ditch effort to get rid of a townie when he told you guys I was his cohort. I'm actually quite suspicious of Menhad, whom he alluded to before editing his post. What is this Menhad thing??



Paradise	Feb 5 2009, 07:23 PM Post #362
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	I'd tend to agree with NH on this one. NH trusted me with Huesca, I will trust him with Allesandra. However, if you're wrong NH the same condition apply: we lynch you (except maybe if she's a plain townie then it's ok in my book). Vote: Allesandra Btw NH, this was definitely NOT a good idea to give your list right now. It would be if we were 100% sure that Allesandra is cultist AND if we were 100% sure she's the only one left. Now you're just pointing out to the enemy WHO they should target during the night. Of course right now we need RD, so I suggest to the doc to protect him.



Menhad	Feb 5 2009, 07:24 PM Post #363
ET2(IDW) Posts: 2,681 Group: Veterans Member #143 Joined: May 22, 2005	Romanus Diogenes Feb 5 2009, 06:54 PM Allesandra Feb 5 2009, 12:17 PM I'm telling you guys, Quaon was just making a last-ditch effort to get rid of a townie when he told you guys I was his cohort. I'm actually quite suspicious of Menhad, whom he alluded to before editing his post. What is this Menhad thing?? Yes I want to hear this. Because I'm willing to bet its trying to make me look scummy. Vote: Allesandra Edited by Menhad, Feb 5 2009, 07:25 PM.



Allesandra	Feb 5 2009, 07:57 PM Post #364
Only Girl Actively Participating in Threads Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #389 Joined: December 3, 2007	Y'all can lynch me. Whatever. I'm the doctor. Just to letcha know.



Rhadamanthus	Feb 5 2009, 08:34 PM Post #365
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	That's what I thought. Are you going to answer my question about the Menhad thing? Edited by Rhadamanthus, Feb 5 2009, 08:35 PM.



Paradise	Feb 5 2009, 08:39 PM Post #366
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	Allesandra Feb 5 2009, 07:57 PM Y'all can lynch me. Whatever. I'm the doctor. Just to letcha know. So you say. Ok, I will unvote for now. Anyway, if what you say is false I assume the real doctor will let us know one way or another. Unvote: Allesandra And I also want to hear about the Menhad thing.



Telosan	Feb 5 2009, 08:46 PM Post #367
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	I, too, want to hear what you have to say about Menhad. I'm leaning towards a vote for Allesandra, but on the off chance that she IS the doctor, we'd be destroying ourselves in killing her. We need to figure this part out before a lynch is made. I think she might be using that as a shield, but there's a chance it could be true, no matter how small. Quote: Mayor is CLAIMED by Telosan. Don't know for sure. This is my role PM copied and pasted straight from the PM. Quote: �You're the mayor, town-aligned. You've never been a big fan of democracy, having killed the last mayor to take his place, so you can force a lynch, (or no-lynch,) at any time during the day if the mob looks like it's about to lynch the wrong person. The catch is, you can only do this once. (To force a lynch, just pm me the name of the person you think should die immediately, and it'll happen, confusing the hell out of the town but possibly saving them.) If a vampire or a werewolf bites you, you'll die and they will feast upon your plump, juicy derri�re.�



Paradise	Feb 5 2009, 08:55 PM Post #368
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	Telosan Feb 5 2009, 08:46 PM (...) we'd be destroying ourselves in killing her. We need to figure this part out before a lynch is made. I think she might be using that as a shield, but there's a chance it could be true, no matter how small. If she really is the doctor, then we are already destroying ourselves. The Cult will certainly want to kill her to get to RD. In my Excel table, I speculated that NH or lebowski may have been the doctor. I'd certainly want to hear from them (they do not have to say specifically that they are the doctor, I wouldn't want to put them at risk).



Telosan	Feb 5 2009, 09:00 PM Post #369
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	Quote: If she really is the doctor, then we are already destroying ourselves. The Cult will certainly want to kill her to get to RD. You're right... then it doesn't matter if we kill her. The cult will get her tonight anyway. We've nothing to loose then. You also narrowed down the targets for the cult by stating 2 names. Speaking of the excel table, can you PM me how you're organizing the info? I tried making a table and don't see how you're gaining any info off of it.



Menhad	Feb 5 2009, 09:18 PM Post #370
ET2(IDW) Posts: 2,681 Group: Veterans Member #143 Joined: May 22, 2005	Hmmmm... This throws me off completely, I will wait until I hear from every one else playing before I switch my vote. That being said we have to take the risk and lynch someone. Who? I can't tell



Paradise	Feb 5 2009, 09:27 PM Post #371
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	Telosan Feb 5 2009, 09:00 PM Speaking of the excel table, can you PM me how you're organizing the info? I tried making a table and don't see how you're gaining any info off of it. Here's the one from the last game: Posted Image It's very simple to use and it permits to know who voted for who each day. Of course, when you start the game the "Comments" column is blank. You fill it in slowly when you get new info.



Telosan	Feb 5 2009, 09:34 PM Post #372
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	Thanks!



Allesandra	Feb 5 2009, 10:03 PM Post #373
Only Girl Actively Participating in Threads Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #389 Joined: December 3, 2007	Quaon mentioned something about Menhad in his post when he was claiming to be the cop. He said that Menhad was a "plain townie," but that was the only person he mentioned in his post, nobody else. But then he edited his post to just admit to being the Werewolf King and saying I was his cohort as a means of getting rid of me.



Rhadamanthus	Feb 5 2009, 10:33 PM Post #374
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Hmm... I wish I had monitored things more carefully yesterday so that I could confirm or deny that story. I did see that he edited the post like two minutes after he wrote the post, and since he would have no way of knowing that Menhad was a vanilla townie, that would be something for him to edit quickly... What to do? Anybody have the current vote count?



Tristan da Cunha	Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM Post #375
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Vote Count: Allesandra: 2 (NH, Menhad) 5 needed to lynch I can't take the suspense :lol:


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