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| Topic Started: Jan 6 2009, 03:41 PM (1,323 Views) | |
| East Anarx | Jan 30 2009, 10:04 PM Post #101 |
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| Al Araam | Jan 31 2009, 12:40 AM Post #102 |
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To be clear, I don't have any sort of overwhelming faith in Obama. I think that either Obama or McCain would be a step in the right direction, and if Palin was out of the picture, I probably would have voted for McCain. Obama has a clean slate, and it's impossible to make an assessment of him as a president until he's been in office for awhile and done some things. I think you're confusing by deep distrust and dislike of Putin for trust and adoration of Obama. I also think it's pretty difficult to rule out the effects of a high oil price and favorable economic conditions, which Putin did not create though he may have taken steps to exploit them, on the former Russian president's popularity. It's a universal in all democratic nations. If the economy is doing well and the quality of life for the average citizen is getting better, the executive can do nothing and emerge from the end of his term, or two, smelling like a rose. That's not to say he has carte blanche to follow whatever idiotic course of action he chooses, but it certainly doesn't hurt his chances of winning the hearts of the population. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 31 2009, 01:47 AM Post #103 |
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Palin was far and away the best prospective president out of the final 4 major party presidential and VP candidates. Her fatal flaw of course was that she compromised many of her political positions to satisfy the McCain campaign's effort to make her more appealing to the "mainstream." It's true she is not an articulate person in the least, but her famous inarticulateness is only brought out by the troublesome political incongruities that the McCain people hoisted on her. I don't know what you mean by "right direction". In fact I doubt many Americans ever know what is going on or how things work, and commonly circulating phrases such as "right direction" are only appropriately vague and reflect this state of affairs. Furthermore, Obama's campaign promises are highly disturbing, and as I mentioned earlier, contrary to popular belief, history teaches us that campaign promises have a regular pattern of coming to fruition, especially the particularly crazy promises. Obama's first weeks in office have therefore confirmed this pattern, reflected by his ill-advised legislative programs that within just a few days of Obama's inauguration managed to vastly expand and continue Bush's failed policies, just as Obama on the campaign trail specifically promised he would do. Additionally his administration is staffed by warmonger and fraudster holdovers from the corrupt Bush-Clinton-Greenspan era like Timothy Geithner and Joe Biden. I can't imagine a McCain presidency would look much different than Obama's, though it would've been nice to have seen a Palin presidency, staffed with secessionist Alaskans and moose hunters from her little hometown. Regarding Putin, besides the apparently favorable economic conditions out of his direct control (in fact there were no favorable economic conditions as the inherently dangerous boom times of the past decades were the result of international central banks' manipulations), Putin's major program endearing him to the Russian people was his reform of the so called "privatization" policies that had allowed Western central bankers and their circle like Larry Summers and the "oligarchs" to gain control over Russian natural resources during Yeltsin's era. This part of Putin's agenda was the correct thing to do for the long run, even in the interests of all of mankind. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 31 2009, 05:04 AM.
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| New Harumf | Jan 31 2009, 09:34 AM Post #104 |
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On a lighter note, I just did my taxes using "TurboTax, the Giethner Edition", and I am getting 100% of my taxes paid back! What a great tool. Of course, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", a policy Obama promised to do away with is now "on the back burner". So that's one of his big promises gone! Edited by New Harumf, Jan 31 2009, 09:34 AM.
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| Sedulius | Jan 31 2009, 10:00 AM Post #105 |
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KV, you say Obama has a clean slate, but there's plenty of evidence out there for his corruption. Try to find corruption on McCain, and all you find is the Keating Five Scandal (in which was found innocent but negligent, and that was long ago), and problems in his personal life (they say he traded his old wife for a hotter new wife). Other than that, not anything bad about the man. Of course, this is all ancient history now. Have to accept that a corrupt man is in charge. Prepare for the worst. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 31 2009, 02:22 PM Post #106 |
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Of course there are many things wrong about McCain. Like Obama, McCain's either incompetent or malicious. You are deluded if you think McCain is not a corrupt partner and/or pawn of the central bankers and other elements bent on destroying the country. |
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| Quaon | Jan 31 2009, 04:40 PM Post #107 |
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| New Harumf | Jan 31 2009, 05:08 PM Post #108 |
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I agree with Sid. Laugh all you want, you just show your prejudice against small town folk - like, well, Lincoln, Reagan, Andrew Jackson, Jefferson, Washington, etc. etc. etc. |
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| Quaon | Jan 31 2009, 05:31 PM Post #109 |
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I am not bigoted against small town folk - I am bigoted against people who are willfully ignorant and don't attempt to rectify that situation. Running for Vice-President while not knowing basics of foreign policy is being proud of your own ignorance. That is the reason I truly despise Bush; while I think his policies were terrible, it was his disdain for expert advice and intelligence that really makes me hate him. |
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| New Harumf | Jan 31 2009, 05:34 PM Post #110 |
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I am still curious why liberal people hate, no, dispise Bush, but conservatives will never show that level of disdain for Obama even if he destroys the country. |
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| Quaon | Jan 31 2009, 05:37 PM Post #111 |
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No, really, conservatives show that level of disdain for Obama. And I'm not a liberal. Really, I'm not. If it makes you feel better, I have the same level of disdain for Jimmy Carter as I do George Bush. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 31 2009, 05:58 PM Post #112 |
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The president doesn't need to know even the basics of foreign policy. All our troubles arise from presidents who are too interested in things that happen in faraway continents. It's a disgrace to have so called "foreign policy experts" in the White House like Obama who is an expert in waging chronic futile warfare in Afghanistan, or a Joe Biden who was involved in war crimes throughout the 90s and 2000s. If you think Bush is bad, most of the so called intelligence advisors and experts who criticized his policies offer no productive or effective alternatives to speak of, and their ideas only exacerbate the situation. |
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| Quaon | Jan 31 2009, 06:05 PM Post #113 |
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Even if everything you say is true, which I deny, allowing a person who has not a clue be influenced by the foreign policy establishment is the worse possible outcome. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 31 2009, 06:08 PM Post #114 |
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Earlier TC said this:
Isn't that pretty much equivalent to your statement regarding allowing her to be influenced by the foreign policy establishment? |
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| Quaon | Jan 31 2009, 06:10 PM Post #115 |
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Hm. I didn't see that. Nonetheless, I think her domestic policies are backwards, so meh. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 31 2009, 06:15 PM Post #116 |
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In the particular case of Palin, the most hopeful outcome would've been that she got her influence from Patrick Buchanan had not the mainstream media done a hatchet job on her natural affinity for Buchanan. But you are correct that Washington is an inherently corrupting place, and as I mentioned earlier Palin's fatal flaw was allowing herself to be influenced by McCain's people. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 31 2009, 06:21 PM.
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| Menhad | Jan 31 2009, 11:38 PM Post #117 |
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I'm sorry but I though experience didn't matter, what with Obama being in the Senate for only 2 years.(And he spent about a year of that running for President) Also for foreign relations, Obama I think only beats Palin because he went to Germany to give a speech... (While running for President, not before) Edited by Menhad, Jan 31 2009, 11:38 PM.
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| Quaon | Jan 31 2009, 11:48 PM Post #118 |
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Non sequitur. Edited by Quaon, Jan 31 2009, 11:49 PM.
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| New Harumf | Feb 1 2009, 10:10 AM Post #119 |
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Hmm, yeah, but it doesn't make quote 3 false! |
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| Sedulius | Feb 4 2009, 12:50 PM Post #120 |
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I think you're a bit deluded to think that he is involved with those sorts. Not every politician is this way, and I believe McCain to be one that is not this way. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Feb 4 2009, 01:00 PM Post #121 |
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I don't think you know what I'm talking about. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Feb 4 2009, 01:05 PM.
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