Obama's Royal Coronation

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Obama's Royal Coronation
Topic Started: Jan 6 2009, 03:41 PM (1,325 Views)
New Harumf	Jan 26 2009, 05:24 PM Post #76
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	America was founded as a christian (note, small "c", not Catholic) nation by immigrants seeking religious and political freedoms. The tradition of swearing in on the Bible was started by George Washington, who also added "...so help me God." at the end of the oath of office that did not originally include it. In the courts, you swear on the Bible to "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God." 80% of the country considers itself christian, in some way or another. That's just the way it is. Edited by New Harumf, Jan 26 2009, 05:24 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 26 2009, 05:27 PM Post #77
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Karvonistan Jan 26 2009, 04:43 PM I was just asking why swearing to the bible and stuff,the founders of the republic where anti-catholics...its not normal to see a president swearing to the bible in my country... I'm a part of a cult calleD" pucha ucha" What is your country?



Lvsitano	Jan 26 2009, 06:11 PM Post #78
Corporal Posts: 75 Group: Members Member #488 Joined: December 1, 2008	Portugal,considering tghat you have Cunha in your nick you could be from there too,but considering that Tristan da Cunha is also an island...



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 26 2009, 06:20 PM Post #79
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	I'm from Ohio, USA, but I do sympathize with the Portuguese cause.



Lvsitano	Jan 26 2009, 06:22 PM Post #80
Corporal Posts: 75 Group: Members Member #488 Joined: December 1, 2008	potuguese cause?explain.I didnt got that one...



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 26 2009, 06:25 PM Post #81
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	There's nothing really to get...



Lvsitano	Jan 26 2009, 06:39 PM Post #82
Corporal Posts: 75 Group: Members Member #488 Joined: December 1, 2008	that makes no sense...



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 26 2009, 06:40 PM Post #83
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Heh



Rhadamanthus	Jan 26 2009, 07:03 PM Post #84
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Karvonistan Jan 26 2009, 04:43 PM I was just asking why swearing to the bible and stuff,the founders of the republic where anti-catholics...its not normal to see a president swearing to the bible in my country... I'm a part of a cult calleD" pucha ucha" Most people in this country are Christian; most people have always been Christian in this country. Our major candidates tend to be Christians of some sort or another. So the Bible is a common object to swear on.



New Harumf	Jan 27 2009, 10:10 AM Post #85
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	OK, tried to search "pucha ucha" and came up empty. Tried to translate "pucha ucha" from Spanish, Italian, Portugese, etc. and came up empty. So, what is "pucha ucha"??



Sedulius	Jan 27 2009, 12:24 PM Post #86
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Esternarx Jan 22 2009, 02:00 PM flumes Jan 22 2009, 01:42 PM :rolleyes: And then there our those of us who aren't apocalyptic, conspiracy worshiping fools. I mean honestly people... It is amazing how every generation has the "believers" that America is doomed. Yet every generation, the majority of people just put there heads down and get the job done, they don't complain, and they sure as hell don't give up. Look at something as simple as the enviornment... Global cooling... Global warming... Climate change. What's next? To think that any us are important enough to live through a great time of change is history is simply a false hope for attention over nothing. The fact is, our lives are nothing over the course of something as grand as our nation's history, let alone earth's history. We are always going to have our mistakes, and bumps along the way. But to think your special enough to see the end, get over yourselves. I'm not happy Obama was elected. Guess what? I'm not the first person in history who hasn't had the candidate I support elected..... Even more shocking for some of you, I won't be the last. God Bless America. America isn't doomed, because America is an idea, and ideas are bulletproof. The vast majority of Americans, on the other hand, are heading into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, coupled with the tyrannies of an increasingly despotic corporatist-imperialist regime. It's not the apocalypse. It's not conspiracy worship. It's fact. You're right about one thing: the majority of people will just put their heads down. They'll keep spending, and taking out loans, and voting, and believing that their government will save them. They'll keep their heads down and continue ignoring the obvious fact that government doesn't work, it never has, and that it's not just an evil, but a totally unnecessary one at that. But I'm optimistic. Enough people will embrace agorism, or something like it, (simply out of economic necessity if not consistent philosophy,) to carry on the very American idea of a free society. It'll be bad for a while, but the invisible hand just happens to be holding an invisible molotov, and the market will free itself eventually. Thumbing through the thread... I have to disagree E. The American idea is dead in all but a few people. If this country were to be called by the idea, it would no longer be called America. I don't know if America is doomed or not, but I do recognize the possibility that it is. Perhaps this "American idea" is the key to saving this nation, but it would take someone getting into power who was a true believer in that idea to do so. I see this as unlikely. Every great empire has fallen throughout history. This one is falling, both through moral and economic decay. Just like Rome, just like the Holy Roman Empire, just like Spain, just like the Dutch, just like Britain. The American era is coming to an end, and there is no sense clinging to it. As I said, I will do what I must do, and if I see a chance to help this country, I will. Otherwise, I'll be content to let it burn, because America's failing is not that of its government, but of its people as a whole. When America falls, it will be because the nation deserved it. If America stays strong, it will be because the people woke up, and made it strong again. Look at Russia. That country went from being a superpower to nothing. It was saved by one man, but only because he had the overwhelming support of the people. Some call him a dictator. Maybe he is, but the people love him and that is what counts. Perhaps that is what this country needs. Perhaps that is what will happen. All I really know is that we are in for some rough times, and I will be prepared.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 27 2009, 12:35 PM Post #87
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Siadhail, you've got to be the least scientific person I know (and that's not necessarily a bad thing at all) :lol:



East Anarx	Jan 27 2009, 05:05 PM Post #88
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Siadhail Jan 27 2009, 12:24 PM If America stays strong, it will be because the people woke up, and made it strong again. Look at Russia. That country went from being a superpower to nothing. It was saved by one man, but only because he had the overwhelming support of the people. Some call him a dictator. Maybe he is, but the people love him and that is what counts. Perhaps that is what this country needs. Perhaps that is what will happen. Sure, if we all just put our trust, our hope, our adoration in our Messiah Obama, America will be saved. :rolleyes:



Rhadamanthus	Jan 29 2009, 07:00 PM Post #89
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	I came across and so had to log on to post: http://www.historycompany.com/productdetails.php?p=128 Have you got your Little Blue Book yet?



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 29 2009, 08:22 PM Post #90
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Romanus Diogenes Jan 29 2009, 07:00 PM I came across and so had to log on to post: http://www.historycompany.com/productdetails.php?p=128 Have you got your Little Blue Book yet? WTF



East Anarx	Jan 29 2009, 10:09 PM Post #91
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Al Araam	Jan 29 2009, 11:38 PM Post #92
Demigod of Death & Inactivity Posts: 3,486 Group: Global Mods Member #102 Joined: February 19, 2005	Esternarx Jan 27 2009, 05:05 PM Siadhail Jan 27 2009, 12:24 PM If America stays strong, it will be because the people woke up, and made it strong again. Look at Russia. That country went from being a superpower to nothing. It was saved by one man, but only because he had the overwhelming support of the people. Some call him a dictator. Maybe he is, but the people love him and that is what counts. Perhaps that is what this country needs. Perhaps that is what will happen. Sure, if we all just put our trust, our hope, our adoration in our Messiah Obama, America will be saved. :rolleyes: People love because the Russian economy was doing somersaults and backflips of joy while he was in office. Life got a lot better for the average Russian and, despite the fact he didn't have a damn thing to do with it, he earned the eternal love of the Russian people. Then gas prices crashed, followed shortly with almost every sector of the world economy, but luckily the Jesus-esque dictator had already relinquished the presidency. I don't think Russia is feeling particularly "saved" at the moment. They've been hit at least as hard as the US, and even after the spectacular growth of the last couple years the average Russian isn't as financially secure as the average American or Brit. Russians love for their government will not likely survive long if the economy continues to go south. Maybe Obama can do great things with the trust and support of the American people, but don't compare him to Putin. The circumstances are quite different.



Sedulius	Jan 30 2009, 12:34 AM Post #93
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Esternarx Jan 27 2009, 05:05 PM Siadhail Jan 27 2009, 12:24 PM If America stays strong, it will be because the people woke up, and made it strong again. Look at Russia. That country went from being a superpower to nothing. It was saved by one man, but only because he had the overwhelming support of the people. Some call him a dictator. Maybe he is, but the people love him and that is what counts. Perhaps that is what this country needs. Perhaps that is what will happen. Sure, if we all just put our trust, our hope, our adoration in our Messiah Obama, America will be saved. :rolleyes: Hell no. :lol: If Obama is that saving dictator, then he is the Antichrist. Yes, I went there. Ahhhhhhh. I'm talking about maybe further down the road we'll get the one we need. KV - Putin had more to do with helping Russia than you think. Only due to his policies were they able to take advantage in the rise of oil. He seized all oil company assets for the government and jailed some of the richest people in Russia. He also instituted a 10-year plan which is still in it's early stages and working. He orchestrated the invasion of Georgia, and the foreign policies thereafter, showing no one could do a thing to stop him and Russia. Russia's success is such that if the world sinks into another Great Depression, Russia would be a dominant economic power, for rather than having a deficit, Russia has surplus and reserves instead. I'm not saying its economy won't drop. It already is dropping. I'm saying Russia won't be hit nearly as hard as the rest of the world. This is all thanks to the actions and policies of Putin.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 30 2009, 07:20 AM Post #94
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Siadhail, there's not a single useful analysis in your post. To be fair, none in KV's either. KV's statements are unfounded and his faith in Obama disturbing and lacking in understanding. As the Great Depression showed, in the deflationary depression the countries with "surpluses" suffer as much as if not more than the countries with deficits. Also I remember last year you claimed that the American economy was on its way to recovery. How farcically and unfortunately off that prediction was. The chief advantage Russia enjoys right now is that its people are more used to economic hardship than American people. That is a major stabilizing cultural factor that can't be underestimated. Americans are simply disoriented and lazy (not excepting myself :lol: ). I don't think Americans are yet aware of how severe the current economic crisis is, or able to make adjustments. Russians are better adjusted and recently lived through crisis in the previous decade. Putin's made some wise decisions and also some mistakes. Economic plans including Putin's 10-year plan will not work and in fact backfire, just like the American economic plan you claimed would save the economy. The best thing Putin can do right now is preserve law and order and allow the economy to naturally wash out its systemic defects.



New Harumf	Jan 30 2009, 09:18 AM Post #95
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	Romanus Diogenes Jan 29 2009, 07:00 PM I came across and so had to log on to post: http://www.historycompany.com/productdetails.php?p=128 Have you got your Little Blue Book yet? Does this smack of Chairman Mao and the "Little Red Book" to anyone? Are Obama's words in red?



Sedulius	Jan 30 2009, 01:31 PM Post #96
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	All good points TC. I was expecting flak for what I said. As far as what I said in the past, while you are correct about what I had said, I can hardly remember what I had said, and I can hardly remember why I said them. But this is all due to my youth. Memories of an unlikable past are quickly forgotten and replaced by the likable present. I'm ever-changing and chaotic in this age, so I welcome any constructive criticism to guide me. Anyways, a bit off-topic there I suppose... Not much more to say. Obviously I don't like Obama and don't have any faith in him, while I have full faith in Putin, but that's likely because I don't live in Russia; I just love to talk about it. The future is a mystery we can only attempt to predict. We must hope for the best and prepare for the worst. EDIT: About the Pocket Obama... that scares me. Obama is attempting to get Americans to think like him and is making them pay money for it? Well that's not corrupt at all... :dry: Edited by Sedulius, Jan 30 2009, 01:34 PM.



Quaon	Jan 30 2009, 05:54 PM Post #97
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Quote: EDIT: About the Pocket Obama... that scares me. Obama is attempting to get Americans to think like him and is making them pay money for it? Well that's not corrupt at all... :lol: You really think that it is Barack Obama who is selling that?



East Anarx	Jan 30 2009, 06:19 PM Post #98
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Quaon Jan 30 2009, 05:54 PM Quote: EDIT: About the Pocket Obama... that scares me. Obama is attempting to get Americans to think like him and is making them pay money for it? Well that's not corrupt at all... :lol: You really think that it is Barack Obama who is selling that? Yeah. Obama doesn't need to sell anything to make money, he can just steal whatever he wants, and if people catch on, well he has a big money-making machine.



Tristan da Cunha	Jan 30 2009, 07:36 PM Post #99
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Siadhail Jan 30 2009, 01:31 PM The future is a mystery we can only attempt to predict. We must hope for the best and prepare for the worst. There are 4 possibilities for Americans I think. The absolute worst is inflationary depression and WW3. The next worst is deflationary depression and WW3. 3rd worst is inflationary depression without WW3. The best possible outcome is deflationary depression without WW3. I'm hoping for this outcome, which fortunately seems more likely than the 2nd best outcome. I don't know what to do in WW3 though, play Fallout?? :lol: Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 30 2009, 07:37 PM.



Sedulius	Jan 30 2009, 08:55 PM Post #100
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Move to a secluded island? No, I don't think Obama is selling those, but it is an Obama marketing campaign and thus still linked to him. What better way to brainwash the people?


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