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Forums Reorganization
Topic Started: Dec 31 2008, 04:09 PM (374 Views)
Paradise
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The forums will be reorganized soon to take into account NS2.

If possible, it will look like something like that:

Nationstates 1
- General Discussion
-- Nationstates' World Assembly
-- Alternate Universes Forum
--- Anno Domini 1001
--- Nations of the Stars
- Inter-regional relations
-- World Military Dominion
-- Resources
-- Olympiad De Grand
- Regional forums (all of them with the standard subforums)
-- African Continent
-- American Continent
-- Asian Continent
-- European Continent
-- Middle East

Nationstates 2
(I haven't played NS2 much, so I'd appreciate some inputs on how the NS2 forum should be organized)

Off-Topic Forums
- Off-Topic
-- Absences
-- Technical Support
- Archived Topics

I want to keep separate categories for NS, NS2 and OT. Basically, the major change is to create a sort of "super category" for the current NS1 forums.

Now I need to know what's going on with 1) Anno Domini 1001, 2) Nations of the Stars, 3) World Military Dominion, 4) Olympiad De Grand and 5) The Treaty of Konigsberg (in European Continent). Are these forums still needed?
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NRE
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I like the idea and feel it will make the forums a bit more organized and make moving between the two universes a bit easier.

All hail our God Paradise!!!!! :hypocrite:
Edited by NRE, Dec 31 2008, 04:18 PM.
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Paradise
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Any idea how to organize the NS2 forums NRE?

Should it be the same thing than NS1?
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NRE
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Well I'd suggest mirroring NS1 since we're mostly basing it off the same concepts, that is each of our nations are in different parts of the world thus have a Europe for Europe events, Asia for Asian events, and so forth would be nice. Basically I'd make it look like this:

Nationstates 2
- General Discussion
- Inter-regional relations
- Regional forums (all of them with the standard subforums)
-- African Continent
-- American Continent
-- Asian Continent
-- European Continent
-- Middle East

Although I would probably suggest leaving out the military description part in the regional forums since we don't know how the military system on the NS2 will work I will withhold that suggestion for the time being.
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Rhadamanthus
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If we have continents in NS2, I think they should be different from NS1, and more suited to the new game.
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NRE
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What would you suggest we use other than Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Or are you suggesting we redefine what is Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.?

But then should we have continents at all, I mean some areas are hardly populated like Africa, where as others are overpopulated (which isn't to suggest it's a bad thing) like Europe.

So maybe we should instead have a set up like this (the names aren't really important, so any suggestions to naming them something else is fine by me):

Nationstates 2
- General Discussion (same as NS1)
- International Events (Any event which deals with two nations or multiple nations whose distances are vast. Example: American nation going to war with a Middle Eastern nation.)
- Regional Events (Any event which deals with nations for whom are within the same general area. Example: Two European nations going to war against each other, or holding a conference between themselves.)
Edited by NRE, Dec 31 2008, 05:56 PM.
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Paradise
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Even if we create a single "World" region, I think we should separate the world into regions so that nations can roleplay specifically with their neighbours.
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Union
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Why not divide it in three?

Western World (The New World)
Eastern World (Europe & Africa)
Far Eastern World (Asia & Oceania)
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lebowski2123
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Dec 31 2008, 08:42 PM
Why not divide it in three?

Western World (The New World)
Eastern World (Europe & Africa)
Far Eastern World (Asia & Oceania)
I would support this idea, so that a pretty high level of activity could occur in each sub-region, as opposed to more, more sparsely populated forum areas.
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Tristan da Cunha
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How about three regional forums, corresponding to the oceans:

Atlantic (Eastern Americas, Northern Europe, European Russia, Mediterranean Basin, West Africa)
Pacific (Western Americas, Siberia, Far East, parts of Southeast Asia, Australia)
Indian (East Africa, Persia, India, East Indies, parts of Southeast Asia)
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Rhadamanthus
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I like my own division I proposed some time ago in the NS2 thread:

Old World
Americas (or New World)
Terra Australis (or Antipodes)
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Paradise
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Maybe something like this:
- Americas
- Europe
- Africa & Middle East
- Asia & Oceania
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Dec 31 2008, 10:48 PM
I like my own division I proposed some time ago in the NS2 thread:

Old World
Americas (or New World)
Terra Australis (or Antipodes)
So basically

-Old World (Europe, Africa, Middle East)
-New World (The Americas)
-Antipodes (Asia, Australia, Oceania)

Is that about the basic idea? I don't mind this setup I just don't like the use of the words Antipodes or Terra Australis for the pacific region. But I suppose it's a minor complaint :P :lol:
Edited by NRE, Jan 1 2009, 05:24 PM.
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Ulgania
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I think the three general sections are kind of a consensus.
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East Anarx
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Tristan da Cunha
Dec 31 2008, 09:55 PM
How about three regional forums, corresponding to the oceans:

Atlantic (Eastern Americas, Northern Europe, European Russia, Mediterranean Basin, West Africa)
Pacific (Western Americas, Siberia, Far East, parts of Southeast Asia, Australia)
Indian (East Africa, Persia, India, East Indies, parts of Southeast Asia)
Seconded.

EDIT: This regional setup would make the most sense for Thule. Anything else would force it to straddle two or more regions.
Edited by East Anarx, Jan 2 2009, 05:40 PM.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Ok, firstly:

Paradise, do you know a way to re-organise the forums without deleting the boards we have?
You can add duplicate categories to the bottom, move all the sub-forums into the new categories, then delete the original categories.
But that's the only way I know how to do it. I'm willing to do it. But if you've got a better way, let me know.

Secondly:

As for NS2 boards, I suggest:

International
- War
- Alliances
Nation Description
Local Regions
-Oceania
-Eurasia
-East Asia

For a map, click the spoiler below. Major Alliances get their own sub-forum. Keep blogging. Keep the stickied "National News" thread in International.

Spoiler: click to toggle


Scrap Anno Domini 1001, Nations of the Stars, World Military Dominion, and The Treaty of Konigsberg forums. They're for dead RPs and defunct (or soon to be defunct) alliances. Olympiad De Grand, however, should be kept.
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Jan 2 2009, 05:55 PM.
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East Anarx
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jan 2 2009, 05:53 PM
As for NS2 boards, I suggest:

(...)

-Oceania
-Eurasia
-East Asia
If you're joking, then lol. If not, then I don't like it because I don't wanna straddle two regions.
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Esternarx
Jan 2 2009, 06:03 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jan 2 2009, 05:53 PM
As for NS2 boards, I suggest:

(...)

-Oceania
-Eurasia
-East Asia
If you're joking, then lol. If not, then I don't like it because I don't wanna straddle two regions.
It's not quite a joke, not quite serious.

I just don't see why "local" RPs can't just take place in the main "inter-regional" forum. For example, take the Serpentine Pact. That's a local NS1 alliance that straddles two regions. I don't see any RP benefit. Can someone explain the appeal to me? And if there is a point to it, then seeing as we're playing a political satire game then why not pay homage to one of the greatest political books?
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Ulgania
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I think Al Q and I were still noobs when we established that whole thing. I've since made RPs that I regretted not putting in the inter-regional forum.

As it is, I think the 'three section' thing is still going to happen. What we're looking at is a new RP with most of the players centralized, but with inroads of involvement in other smaller areas of the map. So, I think splitting it will still be necessary at some point for the purposes of the boards, but having a split up map for the short-term is a better option.
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East Anarx
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I'm opposed to the idea of splitting it up in general, quite simply because some nations, (Thule, The Irish, The Byzantine Empire, Telosan/Angelcynn, Bessentia, etc.) are spread across the world and don't really fit into any predefined region. If we're gonna go with 3 regions, (and no one else wants to split it based on the Oceans,) then 1984-style is just as good as any other, I suppose. But technically there's 4 regions in 1984. You left out all the Disputed territory.

Again, I don't think we should split it up at all.
Edited by East Anarx, Jan 2 2009, 06:54 PM.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Esternarx
Jan 2 2009, 06:49 PM
You left out all the Disputed territory.
Or did I? DUN DUN DUN!

Yeah, actually I did. But you get the gist. I'd prefer an Old World/New World/Other split than splitting it on the Oceans. Seems a bit more 1900s. But splitting it by the Oceans isn't that much different and it's also a good idea.

While I really like our NS1 regions (because they reflect how the forum grew and the RP evolved), I really don't want to end up with a "Middle East" continent again. While in real life the middle region has a blend of cultures and social issues that compliment each other, NS middle east is always going to be a cluster****.
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Paradise
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Right now, I still believe my idea is the most "practical":

- Americas
- Europe
- Africa & Middle East
- Asia & Oceania

Basically, it's the same than NS1 except that Africa and Middle East were merged for higher activity.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Paradise, do you know a way to re-organise the forums without deleting the boards we have?
You can add duplicate categories to the bottom, move all the sub-forums into the new categories, then delete the original categories.
But that's the only way I know how to do it. I'm willing to do it. But if you've got a better way, let me know.

****

The NS1 categories are great for NS1. But seeing how half our NS2 nations are colonial empires... I just don't see the need for regional forums. We've got 26 nations in NS2. We've had 4 posts today total (counting leb's quadruple post as one post). With four regional forums and an inter-regional forum that's less than one post per board per day.

Of those four posts, one was about elections in a nation (arguably a local event, but elections is something I'd like everyone to see), an inter-regional trade agreement, inter-regional involvement in a civil war and an inter-regional thread about new inventions.

I honestly think we could do away with having regional forums and just have an international RP forum.

If you disagree, explain why and I'll probably change my mind.

****

As for practical, a 1900s game is going to have a large focus on shipping. Dividing the world by its major oceans makes sense to me.

Your way also makes sense seeing as it's an improvement on the system we have now. But I don't think that makes it more practical.
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Jan 2 2009, 10:11 PM.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jan 2 2009, 09:56 PM
Paradise, do you know a way to re-organise the forums without deleting the boards we have?
You can add duplicate categories to the bottom, move all the sub-forums into the new categories, then delete the original categories.
But that's the only way I know how to do it. I'm willing to do it. But if you've got a better way, let me know.

****

The NS1 categories are great for NS1. But seeing how half our NS2 nations are colonial empires... I just don't see the need for regional forums. We've got 26 nations in NS2. We've had 4 posts today total (counting leb's quadruple post as one post). With four regional forums and an inter-regional forum that's less than one post per board per day.

Of those four posts, one was about elections in a nation (arguably a local event, but elections is something I'd like everyone to see), an inter-regional trade agreement, inter-regional involvement in a civil war and an inter-regional thread about new inventions.

I honestly think we could do away with having regional forums and just have an international RP forum.

If you disagree, explain why and I'll probably change my mind.

****

As for practical, a 1900s game is going to have a large focus on shipping. Dividing the world by its major oceans makes sense to me.

Your way also makes sense seeing as it's an improvement on the system we have now. But I don't think that makes it more practical.
When you edit an existing forum, you can change its "father" forum. It makes it easy to reorganize the forums.

We obviously have to create a new NS1 category.
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Done. Except for deleting the useless forums.
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