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Some cool maps.
Topic Started: Dec 13 2008, 01:08 PM (312 Views)
Telosan	Dec 13 2008, 01:08 PM Post #1
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	While desperatly looking for maps of the English duchies, I decided to look up a website I had used a long while back. They have updated it since then, as when I last saw it they had 2 maps. Now they've got 7 maps, all showing in a movie format. Its shows changes through time, like who controlled the Middle East through history, which American presidents led us into the bloodiest wars, spread of religion, and so on. Enjoy!



Rhadamanthus	Dec 13 2008, 02:34 PM Post #2
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Very cool site! Though I don't like the "March of Democracy" map very much;referring to the later Roman Republic as a "democratic world power" is rather ridiculous. Edited by Rhadamanthus, Dec 13 2008, 02:38 PM.



Lvsitano	Dec 13 2008, 02:40 PM Post #3
Corporal Posts: 75 Group: Members Member #488 Joined: December 1, 2008	Romanus Diogenes Dec 13 2008, 02:34 PM Though I don't like the "March of Democracy" map very much;referring to the later Roman Republic as a "democratic world power" is rather ridiculous. yup,and it has errors,it gives independence to african nations before time... ;) I like the "Signs - of - Occupation ",parking lots...



East Anarx	Dec 13 2008, 04:20 PM Post #4
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Romanus Diogenes Dec 13 2008, 02:34 PM Very cool site! Though I don't like the "March of Democracy" map very much;referring to the later Roman Republic as a "democratic world power" is rather ridiculous. Yeah, and the fact that it calls America founded on Democracy is kind of ridiculous. The founding fathers were scared of democracy. Then, when Europe turns fascist on the map, America doesn't? What's with that? FDR was just as fascist as anyone else during that time.



Quaon	Dec 14 2008, 05:00 PM Post #5
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Also considering other nations were republics before the United States...



Sedulius	Dec 15 2008, 02:08 PM Post #6
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	I think the problem is that democracy is a term too lightly thrown around. The only true democracy that was on that map was Ancient Athens. The rest were republics that may or may not have incorrectly called themselves democracies (such as the US).



Rhadamanthus	Dec 15 2008, 03:54 PM Post #7
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Siadhail Dec 15 2008, 02:08 PM I think the problem is that democracy is a term too lightly thrown around. The only true democracy that was on that map was Ancient Athens. The rest were republics that may or may not have incorrectly called themselves democracies (such as the US). And even Athens's democracy would be scorned by most modern supporters of democracy as it is understood today. I think that aside from whatever errors they made, I find the whole concept of the "March of Democracy" offensive per se.



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 15 2008, 04:03 PM Post #8
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	I demand to see a comprehensive flash animation showing the changes and flux of all the national territories throughout the world and throughout the history of human civilization, set to appropriate music.



East Anarx	Dec 15 2008, 04:24 PM Post #9
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Tristan da Cunha Dec 15 2008, 04:03 PM I demand to see a comprehensive flash animation showing the changes and flux of all the national territories throughout the world and throughout the history of human civilization, set to appropriate music. Seconded.



New Harumf	Dec 15 2008, 05:26 PM Post #10
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	Esternarx Dec 15 2008, 04:24 PM Tristan da Cunha Dec 15 2008, 04:03 PM I demand to see a comprehensive flash animation showing the changes and flux of all the national territories throughout the world and throughout the history of human civilization, set to appropriate music. Seconded. OK, nag, get to work! and there is a nice little piece by Dvorjak that would go really good with your animation.



Great New France	Dec 16 2008, 06:31 AM Post #11
Major Posts: 1,844 Group: Members Member #106 Joined: February 26, 2005	Siadhail Dec 15 2008, 02:08 PM I think the problem is that democracy is a term too lightly thrown around. The only true democracy that was on that map was Ancient Athens. The rest were republics that may or may not have incorrectly called themselves democracies (such as the US). Applauses for this answer! very correct, very true!!! Real democracy in its essential form is Athenian Democracy, which is direct democracy, this does NOT exist anywhere in the world, except maybe Switzerland.



A.Q.	Dec 16 2008, 06:36 AM Post #12
Beautiful Snowflake Posts: 906 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: April 13, 2008	As I have said elsewhere, Athenian Democracy cannot be real democracy if not everyone could vote, so maybe I'm just saying that democracy, like communism, has never truly existed.



Rhadamanthus	Dec 16 2008, 10:40 AM Post #13
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Al Qalaa Dec 16 2008, 06:36 AM As I have said elsewhere, Athenian Democracy cannot be real democracy if not everyone could vote, so maybe I'm just saying that democracy, like communism, has never truly existed. No, why would real democracy require everyone being able to vote? The classical Greeks invented the word specifically to represent their systems, in which not all people voted. So yes, that is real democracy. There is no other kind.



A.Q.	Dec 16 2008, 11:17 PM Post #14
Beautiful Snowflake Posts: 906 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: April 13, 2008	Romanus Diogenes Dec 16 2008, 10:40 AM Al Qalaa Dec 16 2008, 06:36 AM As I have said elsewhere, Athenian Democracy cannot be real democracy if not everyone could vote, so maybe I'm just saying that democracy, like communism, has never truly existed. No, why would real democracy require everyone being able to vote? The classical Greeks invented the word specifically to represent their systems, in which not all people voted. So yes, that is real democracy. There is no other kind. If we are translating democracy literally, I agree with you completely. But if we are using the good-old-American "rule by the people" definition, I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one.



Rhadamanthus	Dec 16 2008, 11:39 PM Post #15
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Al Qalaa Dec 16 2008, 11:17 PM Romanus Diogenes Dec 16 2008, 10:40 AM Al Qalaa Dec 16 2008, 06:36 AM As I have said elsewhere, Athenian Democracy cannot be real democracy if not everyone could vote, so maybe I'm just saying that democracy, like communism, has never truly existed. No, why would real democracy require everyone being able to vote? The classical Greeks invented the word specifically to represent their systems, in which not all people voted. So yes, that is real democracy. There is no other kind. If we are translating democracy literally, I agree with you completely. But if we are using the good-old-American "rule by the people" definition, I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one. Ah, I would preserve "democracy" for the classical Greek government type. In my opinion, any definition that renders the original definition nonsense is itself nonsense. I don't see why you want to adopt the popular definition when you clearly know better. Edited by Rhadamanthus, Dec 16 2008, 11:40 PM.



A.Q.	Dec 17 2008, 06:26 AM Post #16
Beautiful Snowflake Posts: 906 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: April 13, 2008	Romanus Diogenes Dec 16 2008, 11:39 PM Ah, I would preserve "democracy" for the classical Greek government type. In my opinion, any definition that renders the original definition nonsense is itself nonsense. I don't see why you want to adopt the popular definition when you clearly know better. I don't want to, but the word democracy has so evolved over time and lost its meaning that I am resigned to the ignorance and given in.



Rhadamanthus	Dec 17 2008, 09:29 AM Post #17
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	:lol: I know that feeling :(



New Harumf	Dec 17 2008, 09:39 AM Post #18
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	We, i.e., the U.S. have always urged emerging governments to choose "Democracy" as represented by European Parlimentarian-types, since we always tell them it is too difficult to get anything done under our so-called "Federalist Republic" system. It is "that" democracy that is the joke - tyrrany of the majority and all that bunk. Democracy, as originally defined IS the Greek system, since they defined it, flaws and all. A "Republic" as originally defined, is the twice-used Roman system, since they defined that. Now, both Republics and Democracies have been bastardized by modern interpretation, but that does not change the "real" definition of either. I believe we are all smart enough to know the difference between the actual application of a definition and the bastardization of that definition. We can easily tell the difference between a "classical" communist system and it's subsequent facsist bastardizations throughout history, right? Why are we refusing to make the same distinctions regarding Republics and Democracies??



Rhadamanthus	Dec 17 2008, 12:44 PM Post #19
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Great post, Harumf; I agree completely.


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