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Get Out Of America!; while you still can...
Topic Started: Dec 8 2008, 02:09 PM (690 Views)
Ulgania	Dec 8 2008, 06:18 PM Post #26
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Wait, 5 brigades? I read back in September that a brigade from the 3rd Infantry was on active duty somewhere in Colorado under NorCom, but that was for the intent of dealing with potential civil unrest. I'd be a little weary, as domestic deployments occur in many countries, and in the US on several occasions. And I can say quite fervently that the level of power that independent states hold, and the abilities of those far below the president will keep a police-state from occurring. The fact that congress would not be dissolved (doing so would indeed incite a revolution) would keep too much from happening. There are enough voices in high places that would refuse to allow those kinds of acts to occur. Also, America may dwindle but enough preservationist laws and policies do exist that would keep the government in existence unless something short of 100% annihilation occurred. With the world in the state it's in, no one's going to stand up to the US, and the US is most likely not going to force any hard-line foreign policy on its allies. Hell if the EU militarizes then that could mean an end for NATO and Atlanticism in general. All the same, the EU wouldn't try to stand up to the US. A lot more long-term shit is going to need to hit a lot of fans before anything bad happens.



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 8 2008, 06:19 PM Post #27
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Eleytheria-Duo Dec 8 2008, 06:16 PM Tristan da Cunha Where to go? Word for word, exactly the same problems face all other countries. No country is free from the puppet strings of the international banking cartels. I suggest digging in, somewhere out west. Or Tristan da Cunha ... can't get much more isolated or lonely than that... :rolleyes: Ahhh, that old saying "The truth lies within..." Are you kidding? The Mormons dug in out west and they're the least lonely people in the world. A little too unlonely, probably.



A.Q.	Dec 8 2008, 06:20 PM Post #28
Beautiful Snowflake Posts: 906 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: April 13, 2008	or Senegal, most beautiful women in the world...



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 8 2008, 06:24 PM Post #29
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Is your girlfriend from Senegal or something? :lol: Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Dec 8 2008, 06:25 PM.



A.Q.	Dec 8 2008, 06:29 PM Post #30
Beautiful Snowflake Posts: 906 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: April 13, 2008	Nah, but from what I've seen and read, they rank pretty high up there. I'm hoping my girlfriend doesn't stumble onto this :gnarkgnark:



Rhadamanthus	Dec 8 2008, 06:30 PM Post #31
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	NRE Hitler couldn't consume the world, nor Napoleon nor Alexander. Hey!! Hitler and Napoleon were apocalyptic beasts, but Alexander was one of the greatest men of all time and the right hand of providence. Please don't group them together. ED "Doom and Gloom," eh? This isn't doom, just gloom. A full blown global nuclear war or a comet flying hell bent would be much more worrisome for me. Sure would be more exciting to go out with a big bang, anyway... Wouldn't you agree, RD? You know me... I'm waiting for a full blown armageddeon scenario myself. I remember once, as I was standing on the street as it was raining, an old black man looked up at the rain and told me that one day it would start raining and would not stop. The world would end in a flood, he told me, and all life would return to whence it came. Scy I intend to fight for the Republic, even if it's from a cell in a FEMA Death Camp. Maybe I missed this, but is it premature for me to get excited that you have returned?



New Harumf	Dec 8 2008, 06:50 PM Post #32
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	I'm too old to run. I'll stand side by side with Scy, my guns in hand, and fight till I drop. Got the .45-70 rifle, and gonna get the .45-70 revolver (I fell in love with it) and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if all that E predicts comes true, but I think E underestimates the resolve of the American people in general. I'll fight. I will fight to restore the Republic. The rest of you, please run and get out of my line of fire!



Quaon	Dec 8 2008, 07:18 PM Post #33
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Scythirus Dec 8 2008, 06:17 PM I intend to fight for the Republic, even if it's from a cell in a FEMA Death Camp. Holy shit.



Telosan	Dec 8 2008, 08:24 PM Post #34
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	Quote: Of course you were wrong... you were 6 when Bush was elected! Almost 7 but that doesn't matter. I'm smarter than the average person my age, even then. I spent the months leading to that election learning about the political system so come election day I understood everything going on while watching the news. Quote: And I love the survivalism on the board. Cut the wet dreams out; none of you, me included, except maybe AA or Siad, has a real chance of survival in such a situation. You're not going to ride the fall of the UNITED STATES by hiding out in a bunker with your hunting rifle. Not gonna happen. Ever. There are alot of people out here who can handle a gun well. Lots of hunters, lots of land. Should we gather we could be a considerable force for troops. Then again, the military only needs to send a single tank or aircraft to take us down. The people without guns are more likely to gather near the people with guns for protection. The military should hesitate to take down a large group of civilians as it'd cause much of the country to rebel more if there's a massacre. Plus, soldiers are humans. They wo't just follow orders because they were given them. What is an officer going to do if all his troops won't listen? When I said I'd go wait it out with a rifle, I was joking. On further thought it becomes more plausible.



A.Q.	Dec 8 2008, 08:27 PM Post #35
Beautiful Snowflake Posts: 906 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: April 13, 2008	There's more to survivalism than having a gun and knowing how to shoot. Can you cook? scavenge? fish? Build shelter and fire? Fix a car? If not, can you convince someone that can that you are useful at something that they need?



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 8 2008, 08:36 PM Post #36
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Except for some saint like prodigy, no 7 year old is anywhere close to being capable of grasping the tempo and progress of the profoundly evil processes that are driving this country to inevitable doom. I'm not downplaying your intelligence, but a sort of prodigy like that has not been born on this earth in many centuries.



flumes	Dec 8 2008, 08:42 PM Post #37
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	New Harumf Dec 8 2008, 06:50 PM I think E underestimates the resolve of the American people in general. I'll fight. Bingo. This is about the only place I've been where I hear talk like this... I mean honestly, are any of your lifes that bad right now? You have the money to have a computer and post on here. Or the access to a computer through a public library or school or something...... Assuming you aren't crazy (I know I'm asking a lot :P ), that means you have food on the table, somewhere to live, and something covering your body. I have a job. In fact I had more than one job offer returning from school (And I live in OHIO, no where worse than here economically).... Now I know I'm luckier than most. But if people are willing to work hard and not just give in, the country will pull through. Personally, I'm more than confident people still have that good old American toughness in them. America has been through worse than this. And it will go through worse in the future. And I'd bet my life that we won't live to see the end. We've been through recessions before, we've been through depressions before. It looks bad, but luckily Americans aren't the brand to roll over and die (coughFrenchcough). I'll never give up on the Stars and Stripes. I'd give my life for it. And thankfully, I know a lot of people who feel the same.



Sedulius	Dec 8 2008, 08:50 PM Post #38
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Well this thread exploded. When I talk about moving out of the country, I'm talking about doing it because something bad might happen. I'm talking about it because I'll actually get the chance to. Europe's just... better. It's home (to me at least). And Australia, well, that's sort of one of those "once in a lifetime" things. Germany, Australia, Missouri, and Virginia are the next possible deployments for my dad (an LTC). If it's out of country, I'm going more or less because it's an opportune chance. Doesn't matter if things get better here, I'm bloody going. Otherwise, I'll move to Missouri, and if the shit does hit the fan, well, as Quaon said, I'll just ride it out. Romantically thinking, I might become some sort of resistance leader. Pessimistically thinking, I might be the dictator causing all your problems. :P In any case, Germany is the place I want to go, not because it's Germany, but because it's EU. Ireland is part of the EU, and gives free college to EU citizens. If I can EU citizenship, I can get free college, and I can actually fulfill my dream of living and possibly settling in Ireland, and actually speak of it realistically. I'll know in two or three months whether my dad gets the slot.



A.Q.	Dec 8 2008, 08:58 PM Post #39
Beautiful Snowflake Posts: 906 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: April 13, 2008	Siadhail Dec 8 2008, 08:50 PM Germany, Australia, Missouri, and Virginia are the next possible deployments for my dad (an LTC). Keep me updated, especially if you end up in VA. If he's Navy, you WILL end up near me.



Quaon	Dec 8 2008, 08:59 PM Post #40
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Telosan Dec 8 2008, 08:24 PM Quote: Of course you were wrong... you were 6 when Bush was elected! Almost 7 but that doesn't matter. I'm smarter than the average person my age, even then. I spent the months leading to that election learning about the political system so come election day I understood everything going on while watching the news. Quote: And I love the survivalism on the board. Cut the wet dreams out; none of you, me included, except maybe AA or Siad, has a real chance of survival in such a situation. You're not going to ride the fall of the UNITED STATES by hiding out in a bunker with your hunting rifle. Not gonna happen. Ever. There are alot of people out here who can handle a gun well. Lots of hunters, lots of land. Should we gather we could be a considerable force for troops. Then again, the military only needs to send a single tank or aircraft to take us down. The people without guns are more likely to gather near the people with guns for protection. The military should hesitate to take down a large group of civilians as it'd cause much of the country to rebel more if there's a massacre. Plus, soldiers are humans. They wo't just follow orders because they were given them. What is an officer going to do if all his troops won't listen? When I said I'd go wait it out with a rifle, I was joking. On further thought it becomes more plausible. Again, lol. Not even a CTYer can accomplish such a task at 7.



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 8 2008, 09:08 PM Post #41
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	If you move to Ireland be prepared to be a potato farmer. Ireland's economy is quite awful, and will go the way of the rest of the world... a 1930s style global depression. I know I've been dismally pessimistic in this thread. But in truth there are absolutely no positive signs emanating from the world right now. There's no "fighting spirit". Modern man is degenerate and lazy. The actual fight, the real violence will soon come when the modern man starts stepping on his fellows , desperately seeking to protect his illusory and lazy materialistic lifestyle.



Ulgania	Dec 8 2008, 09:34 PM Post #42
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	To have this scenario the idea of the American Dream will have to degenerate to an extent that can never be imagined. We still have a relatively civic culture. We have political parties that are candidate driven and are more based on issues than a party platform. As the economy will sure as hell continue its decline to shit, the new administration will probably hold big show-trials for the execs on Wall Street that created this shitstorm. They'll be about as popular as the Nuremburg trials too. Also, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to survive just fine. If the degeneration of the society goes to the extent of militaristism that we're considering I'll be fine. I can live off the land, build shelter, survive in the cold, hunt (have my own rifle), set traps if need be, etc... Benefit of living on a border-line self-sustaining piece of land in Vermont.



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 8 2008, 09:43 PM Post #43
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Execs on Wall Street did not create this shitstorm. It may seem counterintuitive, but the Wall Street execs and investment banks were just doofuses and patsies, victims even, of the real manufacturers of the economic crisis- the military-industrial complex and the international central bankers.



Union	Dec 8 2008, 09:51 PM Post #44
Pyrenees Republic Posts: 3,219 Group: Forum Mods Member #307 Joined: December 27, 2006	Quote: international central bankers. I'll agree with you on that one. The abandonment, at the encouragement of the financial sector, of America's industrial is responsible for this crisis. You cannot build a stable economy on the backs of pixels on an Excell spreadsheet.



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 8 2008, 09:55 PM Post #45
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	The financial sector and the central banks are two wholly different things. Which one are you referring to?



Union	Dec 8 2008, 09:57 PM Post #46
Pyrenees Republic Posts: 3,219 Group: Forum Mods Member #307 Joined: December 27, 2006	The IMF, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve, etc.



flumes	Dec 8 2008, 09:58 PM Post #47
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	I blame it on the media.



Union	Dec 8 2008, 10:00 PM Post #48
Pyrenees Republic Posts: 3,219 Group: Forum Mods Member #307 Joined: December 27, 2006	Did the media sell of US Steel? Did the media allow foreign competitors to take over the automobile market [I blame the American trade unions in this case as well as the financial sector, for consistently, without fail, shooting themselves in the foot]?



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 8 2008, 10:03 PM Post #49
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Yes, because the media promoted the unions' goals, promoted things like medicare/medicaid, social security, and other government programs that reduce industrial competitiveness, which American voters voted for. Remember, the media is just another instrumentality of the military-industrial complex.



Sedulius	Dec 8 2008, 10:10 PM Post #50
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	AQ Siadhail Germany, Australia, Missouri, and Virginia are the next possible deployments for my dad (an LTC). Keep me updated, especially if you end up in VA. If he's Navy, you WILL end up near me. He's Army, LTC, but he'd be going to Virginia because of DARPA. He's done work for them before, and still does bits and pieces for them here and there. His jobs are a bit... out there. High technology and what not. TC If you move to Ireland be prepared to be a potato farmer. Ireland's economy is quite awful, and will go the way of the rest of the world... a 1930s style global depression. I know I've been dismally pessimistic in this thread. But in truth there are absolutely no positive signs emanating from the world right now. There's no "fighting spirit". Modern man is degenerate and lazy. The actual fight, the real violence will soon come when the modern man starts stepping on his fellows , desperately seeking to protect his illusory and lazy materialistic lifestyle. Yes, you've been very pessimistic about every country. You're talking of theory, so it isn't guaranteed. I won't deny that it's quite possible. However, if I go to Ireland, it will only be for education at first. If I stayed, I would join their military or go into politics. If it did go to shit, I'd go somewhere else. Where will be determined as time goes on. But keep in mind, I am one of those people with the fighting spirit, lately especially. Back to my old self. :) And I have no delusions about my life. I know it is insignificant, I know I am not truly free, and I know my materials are nothing.

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