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| Get Out Of America!; while you still can... | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 8 2008, 02:09 PM (686 Views) | |
| East Anarx | Dec 8 2008, 02:09 PM Post #1 |
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The signs are all there. All you have to do is look. The government is bailing out big business at the expense of the taxpayer and everyone who uses Federal Reserve Notes as currency. This entire economic crisis was manufactured by the government, will be extended into a depression by the government, and will benefit only the government and their cronies... And yet they'll manage to blame it on the free market, (as if such a thing existed,) and enough people will believe it so as to permit even greater regulation, more government controls, a New Deal-esque economic policy that will plunge the vast majority of the population into poverty. Massive inflation is coming, and when it hits, you better hope you invested in something other than that Monopoly money you carry around in your wallet. The concentration camps have already been built. The military has already been deployed on the homeland. Five U.S. army brigades of combat-hardened, straight-out-of-Iraq soldiers have been deployed domestically, and yet the media is silent. America is not a free country by any reasonable usage of the term. America is a fascist empire. Stop denying it. Get out now. I intend to get out as soon as I can, I suggest you do the same. Or, you know, you could always just buy some guns and build a bunker, hoping to be just one step ahead when the Gestapo knocks on your door. You could fight back, join with your fellow Americans in resistance, but all I see down that road is more death, more needless bloodshed. I won't blame you for trying, but I don't expect an armed rebellion to accomplish anything. Your best chance is to just run. Get the fuck out before they close the borders and lock you into the American Prison State. By 2012, it'll be too late. De-facto martial law. Mass food riots. Squatter's rebellions by the homeless. Pockets of armed resistance. It will have already begun. I can't help but think that now was as bad a time as any to elect a black president. When the shit hits the fan, all the racists will blame Obama, (or should I say Barry Sotero.) That's not to say he'll be innocent, (he surely won't, being just as much a member of The Party as Bush or McCain,) but I'd be willing to bet that some people will manage to turn it into a race issue, and enough people will believe it so as to spark hate crimes across the South. I was in denial for so long. I thought maybe, just maybe, enough people would see it coming to prevent it. Alas, I see now that I was wrong. Americans are too busy mindlessly consuming to give a shit. Change (TM) is coming alright, but it won't be the kind of change that you wanted. Don't believe me. Write me off as another "doom and gloom" forecasting whack-job. But don't say I didn't try to warn you. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Dec 8 2008, 02:17 PM Post #2 |
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Where to go? Word for word, exactly the same problems face all other countries. No country is free from the puppet strings of the international banking cartels. I suggest digging in, somewhere out west. |
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| East Anarx | Dec 8 2008, 02:18 PM Post #3 |
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True. A deserted island somewhere perhaps? Maybe digging in somewhere out west is the best idea. A castle high in the rockies? |
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| Rhadamanthus | Dec 8 2008, 02:29 PM Post #4 |
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I'm pretty damn "doom and gloom" myself; hearing stuff like this just reassures me. |
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| East Anarx | Dec 8 2008, 02:41 PM Post #5 |
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TC, you're right about no country being free from the international banking cartels, but America will be ground zero. Even going out west might not be enough. There's gotta be some place in this world that has a better chance of surviving this thing than the American Imperial Homeland. The Australian outback, perhaps? Somewhere in the far north, the Yukon? |
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| Sedulius | Dec 8 2008, 02:57 PM Post #6 |
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Well, I'm pretty certain I'll be moving to Germany or Australia in the summer, so I'm probably fine. If not, then I'm pretty set at this point on going to St. Louis. Honestly though, I completely disagree with you, E. That's a conspiracy theory that seems likely given the events, but that doesn't make it true. Theories are always just that, theories. I'll stick with my intuition, thank you very much. Logic fails me even when solid, for fate always twists things. Something will happen, perhaps similar to what E has said, but not quite so severe. If the US government truly was some fascist government (which it isn't, the UK is more fascist at this point), it would have either already exerted complete control, or it would continue to keep the illusion of freedom in place. What I'm saying is, the only changes that will be made will be ones so small or so hidden that one would have to be very observant to see them, or they'd have to dig for them. It doesn't matter what the US government is, things will continue to look as they do. There will be no steps to control, for such control could be taken immediately. If things do happen to go as sour as E says they will, do not worry. The rebellion is already organized. ;) |
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| East Anarx | Dec 8 2008, 03:06 PM Post #7 |
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:rolleyes: That's exactly my point. |
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| flumes | Dec 8 2008, 03:54 PM Post #8 |
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:rolleyes: Obama isn't smart enough to wreck the country in four years. Ron Paul 2012. ... If for some reason the US were to collapse, you can bet money that I will have a big part in the rise of the Great Lakes Confederate.... |
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| East Anarx | Dec 8 2008, 04:08 PM Post #9 |
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It's not Obama that I'm most worried about. He's just a figurehead. But it is interesting to note that not a single one of his cabinet appointees are anti-war. As for Ron Paul somehow getting elected and changing this country, forget about it. As good of a politician Ron Paul is, he's still just a politician. If meaningful change is to occur in this country, it won't come from working within the system and getting out the vote. Democracy is a sham. |
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| Sedulius | Dec 8 2008, 04:24 PM Post #10 |
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Ron Paul is smart enough to wreck the country in four years. However, when 2012 rolls about... Well, I don't really know. Let's just see what happens. :D |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Dec 8 2008, 05:00 PM Post #11 |
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Australian outback is a good choice. A downside to Australia is their gun control, but that should not be too difficult to circumvent since the continent is so sparsely populated. The major drawback is that the Australian government/economy is essentially an arm of the US Federal Reserve but there are ways around that too. Germany is OK. Again, their gun control sucks, and their economic system is either being directly or indirectly brought down to its knees by cliques of international financiers, so the future of their way of life is very uncertain. I can't go because I'm not white. When the shit hits the fan racism, xenophobia, and communalism will be at an all time high all over the world. White Americans might do well in Germany though, though may have no choice but to accept a meager, subsistence-farming lifestyle when the economy falls through the floor. My primary plan is to retreat to the Rocky Mountains. Backup 2nd plan is shave my head, move to Japan and pretend to be an illiterate, deaf, and mute Buddhist monk - that would save me the hassle of learning the language. 3rd plan is convert to Judaism and move to Israel; if you can't defeat the famous Jewish world conspiracy, go undercover and regroup. 4th plan is move to Taiwan and catch fish for a living. 5th plan is go to some desolate area in western Mexico. There are of course plenty of both positive and negative aspects about each of these plans. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Dec 8 2008, 05:24 PM.
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| Quaon | Dec 8 2008, 05:03 PM Post #12 |
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lulz Bad libertarian sci-fi ftw! |
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| Telosan | Dec 8 2008, 05:11 PM Post #13 |
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I've been saying stuff about getting out of the country since Bush was elected. I turned out to be wrong about how Bush handled the government, but it's still not a great thing. America is dying and no one wants to admit it. Part because everyone is to blind and unintelligent to see past what the media tells them, and part because there's nothing much we can do. There's no were to go. My vision of the future is completely twisted by my imagination, and likely not going to happen. However, my idea of the future is that the nation with the most influence, the best technology in general, etc, is going to become a global superpower. I've speculated that WW3 will be the US vs pretty much everyone else. As for me, I don't know. If I can get out I'll go to England or Italy. These countries don't really let you stay there forever but I've got better chances than most. I've got family there that have always been there. I'll oppose America from a distance, doing my best to take it down. If I can't get out, grab my hunting rifle, stock up on ammo & food/water, and as E said make bunker. |
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| Union | Dec 8 2008, 05:51 PM Post #14 |
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I'll stick around. Someone has to pick up the ashes, and God knows it won't be the Paulites. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Dec 8 2008, 05:59 PM Post #15 |
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Of course you were wrong... you were 6 when Bush was elected! |
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| Quaon | Dec 8 2008, 06:02 PM Post #16 |
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lulz bad science fiction Sorry. The US is in for a bad turn, I agree. Hell, if we screw up too bad, a depression. But the chance of us breaking up is fairly slim. And I love the survivalism on the board. Cut the wet dreams out; none of you, me included, except maybe AA or Siad, has a real chance of survival in such a situation. You're not going to ride the fall of the UNITED STATES by hiding out in a bunker with your hunting rifle. Not gonna happen. Ever. Edited by Quaon, Dec 8 2008, 06:05 PM.
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| NRE | Dec 8 2008, 06:08 PM Post #17 |
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I'm sticking around too, I mean goodness sakes my family has been in this city since the days of the plantation! To leave now would mean to dishonor generations of my own kin and blood. Besides I don't think Democracy is a shame, it's perhaps the greatest tool ever given to the extreme good or the extreme bad. It gives the promise that a literate, intelligent, and honest individual could every well ascend the steps of progress and accomplishment to the highest office in the land and by this person's shrewd tactics and likable personality change the system and the country for the better. An if Saturday morning TV seems too much like a fantasy there is also the possibility that the same individual could arise to the highest office of the land and through political might, propaganda, and an iron fist; this individual can consolidate power and build the mighty American Empire that exists already in everything but political structure and name. The Hegemony has always existed, it just needs to be recognized as the mighty Empire that it is. I'm not too worried though because if the end of days as E has described is coming, I believe in the will of men and their desires for freedom. Hitler couldn't consume the world, nor Napoleon nor Alexander. Did they come close, sure and America could very well become a fascist state but it won't last forever. There will always be those who seek ultimate power at the expense of others and there will always been those with the will to stand up and resist. Edited by NRE, Dec 8 2008, 06:09 PM.
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| Tristan da Cunha | Dec 8 2008, 06:11 PM Post #18 |
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Quaon, a depression is unavoidable. Even if the Federal Reserve did not purposely "engineer" this depression, global depression cannot be avoided at this point. As for the "unrealistic" survivalist scenarios - the United States won't fall. In fact the precise opposite will occur - it become a massively fascist, hypercentralized state. The bunkers are for getting as far away as possible from the tentacles of the Joe Biden administration, not for surviving a Mad Max world! Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Dec 8 2008, 06:12 PM.
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| A.Q. | Dec 8 2008, 06:11 PM Post #19 |
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I figure I got 4 years of Obama prosperity, God willing, it will be 8, to get financially secure enough to retire in comfort in Morocco or Tunisia. Exotic atmosphere, Stable governments, weak economies (I BUY YOUR CHILDREN!), a villa on a hill somewhere, the usual. |
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| NRE | Dec 8 2008, 06:13 PM Post #20 |
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An a King in Morocco who has no problem jailing school boys who confess a love of their favorite sports team over a love for his King lol I'd go for your latter choice B)
Edited by NRE, Dec 8 2008, 06:14 PM.
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| Quaon | Dec 8 2008, 06:14 PM Post #21 |
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Even if your scenario were even remotely sane, your chance of resisting the US armed forces is nill. |
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| Eleytheria-Duo | Dec 8 2008, 06:16 PM Post #22 |
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Oh God, here we go again... And I already know in advance I am going to be branded a thoroughbred asshole after this but, I am in the mood to be an ass. So ... lets have at thee, shall we...?
Is that what all those desecrated street signs and markings are on the wall? Jeez... I thought they called that Graffiti...
THIS, I in all seriousness wouldn't doubt.
Really!? Where? I think I wanna sign up for this!
I'll deny your definition of "freedom" as much as I so desire. For all I care I am as free as I choose to be or need to be.
I think I'll stay, thanks... Besides, I like the scenery here. Oh and, bye. *Waves*
To become subject to principles of Anarchy? I think not. I prefer to thrive on order, even if that so-called order is a form of chaotic existence in itself. Nor do I have any desire to revolt against the Government or fight against the Government. Even if they are our "oppressors" as you claim, they are still my countrymen; I refuse to openly combat and spill the blood of my fellow Americans over something I see as ridiculous. Then again I guess that means your peace offering will come to naught because I will have become your worst enemy that you despise so much. Have at me, I'll stand ready to drop the hammer should that day ever come.
Already saved up quite a bit of food, should be good enough to last for a short period. If not, I can always leave the City and find ways to live off the land. Certainly won't be convenient, nor easy, but I can make do.
Interesting analysis... But he isn't even the President yet. You and I have had this discussion IIRC... I believe that harm in some form caused by human actions is inevitable, the scale of the destruction resulting from it is only as relevant as the good that I believe will come from it, be it short term or long term. The ends justifies the means.
Or just plainly don't give a shit, period. You should have seen this coming ages ago. People are too material, if it isn't about "them" or pertain to "them," then it doesn't matter.
Isn't that the truth...
Not writing it off, nor am I siding with it. But since I am not in a position of power to have control over what will happen, I don't see why I should abandon everything. Should I die, then I die. No biggie, there's over 6 billion other humans on this planet and millions more born every day to take my place.
Or Tristan da Cunha ... can't get much more isolated or lonely than that... :rolleyes: Ahhh, that old saying "The truth lies within..."
"Doom and Gloom," eh? This isn't doom, just gloom. A full blown global nuclear war or a comet flying hell bent would be much more worrisome for me. Sure would be more exciting to go out with a big bang, anyway... Wouldn't you agree, RD? *Sigh* Everyone in this thread talked about problems... Since a "problem" is entirely dependent on people's definition of what a problem is, then technically everything and nothing is a problem all the same. Back to a serious note, where did those problems originate from? They didn't originate from a "thing," they originated from, you guessed it, people. You want to rid the world of problems? Rid the world of people... Or just shut the fuck up and deal with these "problems" as they are thrown at us, come what may. Welcome to the human race. :dry: Maybe I am just in an incredibly pissed off mood today, or maybe I am just a cruel bastard... I don't know which one it is yet. But what I posted sounded good to me, for now at least. I need a vacation... :( |
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| Union | Dec 8 2008, 06:17 PM Post #23 |
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Posted Image o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ The red one is Esternax. Edited by Union, Dec 8 2008, 06:18 PM.
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| Comrade Queen | Dec 8 2008, 06:17 PM Post #24 |
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I intend to fight for the Republic, even if it's from a cell in a FEMA Death Camp. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Dec 8 2008, 06:17 PM Post #25 |
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That's exactly why I'll have plane tickets to Taiwan on hand, just in case. Boat tickets, if necessary. Not all bunkers are located in the US after all. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Dec 8 2008, 06:18 PM.
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