NS2 Time Period Poll

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What NS2 Time Period do you want?
1660s (golden age for pirates)	1 (4.5%)
1700s (pirates go down, empires grow)	3 (13.6%)
late 1700s, early 1800s (probably a more realistic start date, so the US could be around, someone could be Napoleon )	2 (9.1%)
mid 1800s (pre US Civil War maybe)	0 (0%)
late 1800s (Industrial era, gatling guns are around, many rifles are still single shot, repeaters being a big exception... allows for good RP of Native American resistance against US, and for wars between Prussia, France, Russia, England, etc... eventuall	5 (22.7%)
early 1900s (allows us to get right into the events playing up to WWI)	4 (18.2%)
1930s (Great Depression, events leading up to WWII, would only recommend if we go by the RL end of WWI)	0 (0%)
1946 (WWII over, Soviet Union (or in our case the Russian Empire or maybe even the Byzantine Empire) vs US cold war begins)	2 (9.1%)
1970s (Modern war)	0 (0%)
2000s (today's wars)	4 (18.2%)
I don't care.	1 (4.5%)
Total Votes: 22

NS2 Time Period Poll
Topic Started: Oct 13 2008, 03:26 PM (926 Views)
Telosan	Oct 13 2008, 03:26 PM Post #1
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	Thanks to Siad compiling the information, we can have a poll and finaly figure this out. Was lazy, at out of time so I just copied and pasted it over, sorry. Edited by Telosan, Oct 13 2008, 03:27 PM.



Rhadamanthus	Oct 13 2008, 04:12 PM Post #2
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Countries like the US won't exist unless someone makes them. So descriptions that involve real countries are only meaningful if people choose those countries. As it is, everything we have about North America makes a USA appear unlikely.



lebowski2123	Oct 13 2008, 04:24 PM Post #3
Resident? Posts: 1,535 Group: Members Member #257 Joined: July 22, 2006	Exactly my thoughts RD Are we just RPing out modern history? Because I was under the impression that we are crafting entirely new and unique nations. There's no "getting right up to World War 1" or "somebody playing Napoleon" because our present day should not match the present day of whatever time period we choose.



Sedulius	Oct 13 2008, 06:05 PM Post #4
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	I meant for the list to be modifiable of course. All I was saying is I'd want to play the late 1800s/ early 1900s era only if the events led similarly up to WWI. Countries and people could still be different, but the basic concept would be the same. It's just a suggestion to make for a strong starting RP with WWI as the goal in mind, and once WWI was over with, we would decide the fate of this new world (the Treaty of Versailles would end up a lot different in our hands, put it that way). Just an idea. But personally I am voting for late 1800s. I would say 1870 would be a good start date. EDIT: After my vote, looks like its going to be close between late 1800s and early 1900s. I like the idea of either. One is the Industrial era, the other is the turning point of said era. I'm Ireland either way, so I'll just be drinking and yelling at everyone else. :lol: Edited by Sedulius, Oct 13 2008, 06:08 PM.



A.Q.	Oct 13 2008, 06:06 PM Post #5
Beautiful Snowflake Posts: 906 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: April 13, 2008	IMO, the date we vote should be the point where we start RP'ing. There are just to many alternate history states to set a concrete date for splitoff.



lebowski2123	Oct 13 2008, 06:10 PM Post #6
Resident? Posts: 1,535 Group: Members Member #257 Joined: July 22, 2006	I think it's crazy to set a plan for a world war to occur before we even begin RPing.



Sedulius	Oct 13 2008, 06:11 PM Post #7
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Well, when we get through this poll and have a good idea what everyone wants, we can set up a poll of historically significant dates, likely between 1870 and 1914. I think it'd be neat to kick things off with the Franco-Prussian War personally (hence 1870). :P



Sedulius	Oct 13 2008, 06:18 PM Post #8
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	lebowski2123 Oct 13 2008, 06:10 PM I think it's crazy to set a plan for a world war to occur before we even begin RPing. I'm only suggesting it so we have a strong start. People are going to want to RP WWI anyways. But that is exactly why we start before WWI: because the same nations of RL history will not be there, thus the lines will have to be drawn in a different way. The only way enough interest will be drawn to this is if it is interesting, and the wars and events leading up to WWI, as well as the Great War itself and its after effects, are very interesting (though very tragic). Knowing events will eventually break into the Great War draws a lot of interest, and if we started the war the same historical date with a similar triggering effect (assassination of some archduke), it will flow all that much more smoothly. We all still have complete control over what happens, but, in my opinion, I think if we do it this way, we won't have any trouble kicking this off.



Toussaint	Oct 13 2008, 06:31 PM Post #9
Major Posts: 1,973 Group: Members Member #377 Joined: October 3, 2007	Siadhail Oct 13 2008, 06:11 PM Well, when we get through this poll and have a good idea what everyone wants, we can set up a poll of historically significant dates, likely between 1870 and 1914. I think it'd be neat to kick things off with the Franco-Prussian War personally (hence 1870). :P I'd be proud to kick some kraut ass. (:P) Edited by Toussaint, Oct 13 2008, 06:31 PM.



Tristan da Cunha	Oct 13 2008, 06:32 PM Post #10
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	It's much better to do free-form RP, which may or may not involve world wars. It's too early to speak of a world war right now, or to set "goals". Goal-setting always lead to anticlimax.



lebowski2123	Oct 13 2008, 06:34 PM Post #11
Resident? Posts: 1,535 Group: Members Member #257 Joined: July 22, 2006	Tristan da Cunha Oct 13 2008, 06:32 PM It's much better to do free-form RP, which may or may not involve world wars. It's too early to speak of a world war right now, or to set "goals". Goal-setting always lead to anticlimax. I agree, that sort of thing leads to people under developing nations, not creating a complex community but instead becoming very HCIish (that's a reference to our esteemed colleague HCI) in just wanting to build huge armies and win. Half the time treaties choke everything out anyway.



East Anarx	Oct 13 2008, 07:41 PM Post #12
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Nulled my vote because I think this poll is stupid. I say restricting it to time periods is useless. We're an alternate history RP, and we make time quite fluid. I say we go with a particular technological genre, (specifically, I'd prefer steampunk,) and then everyone can use whatever calendar they want and call it whatever decade they want.



Rhadamanthus	Oct 13 2008, 07:48 PM Post #13
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Esternarx Oct 13 2008, 07:41 PM Nulled my vote because I think this poll is stupid. I say restricting it to time periods is useless. We're an alternate history RP, and we make time quite fluid. I say we go with a particular technological genre, (specifically, I'd prefer steampunk,) and then everyone can use whatever calendar they want and call it whatever decade they want. I assumed a time period was just used for tech/setting like our current RP is "modern."



lebowski2123	Oct 13 2008, 08:35 PM Post #14
Resident? Posts: 1,535 Group: Members Member #257 Joined: July 22, 2006	As did I



flumes	Oct 13 2008, 09:13 PM Post #15
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	This is stupid, what we need to vote on is tech level.



East Anarx	Oct 13 2008, 09:55 PM Post #16
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	flumes Oct 13 2008, 09:13 PM This is stupid, what we need to vote on is tech level. Agreed.



Ulgania	Oct 13 2008, 10:13 PM Post #17
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Esternarx Oct 13 2008, 09:55 PM flumes Oct 13 2008, 09:13 PM This is stupid, what we need to vote on is tech level. Agreed. This



Tristan da Cunha	Oct 13 2008, 10:15 PM Post #18
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Ulgania Oct 13 2008, 10:13 PM Esternarx Oct 13 2008, 09:55 PM flumes Oct 13 2008, 09:13 PM This is stupid, what we need to vote on is tech level. Agreed. This Building quote pyramid



Draxis	Oct 13 2008, 10:22 PM Post #19
Captain Posts: 1,356 Group: Map Makers Member #271 Joined: August 20, 2006	Tristan da Cunha Oct 13 2008, 10:15 PM Ulgania Oct 13 2008, 10:13 PM Esternarx Oct 13 2008, 09:55 PM flumes Oct 13 2008, 09:13 PM This is stupid, what we need to vote on is tech level. Agreed. This Building quote pyramid I say we put it in the time period of ancient egypt so these quote pyramids can hold the corpse of our beloved overlord paradise.



Sedulius	Oct 13 2008, 11:20 PM Post #20
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	The point of voting period is tech level. EDIT - I could always make a new list, but it'd basically be the same thing, just in tech levels instead of years. I still prefer Franco-Prussian War starting tech level in this case. EDIT2 - And it looks like most people are preferring turn of the century tech level, which I'm also perfectly fine with. Edited by Sedulius, Oct 13 2008, 11:25 PM.



Sedulius	Oct 13 2008, 11:36 PM Post #21
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	1660 1700 1800 1850 1870 1900 1930 1946 1970 2000 More or less, all I'd have to do is put "Tech Level at ____" and you'd have your new list. As I said, really no difference, but I guess it is a bit clearer. This makes for free play at that tech level. I still say some sort of corresponding history (as I said earlier, same up to 1204, similar up to our starting era) should be made to lessen confusion, but this is the decision of the community. I merely make suggestions.



Arya Hindustan	Oct 14 2008, 02:06 AM Post #22
Private Posts: 44 Group: Members Member #480 Joined: September 5, 2008	I dont mind anything, except that however far back we start, in the end, we still come to the future(or rather present). Not immediately of course. If we are say going to start as far back as 1600s, I think maybe by the next 3-4 years we would be in 2000. I just dont want to be stuck in that time zone for eternity, for rather for too long. Would get bored out of it. But still, lets see how it goes.



Telosan	Oct 14 2008, 06:09 AM Post #23
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	My intention was the tech. We create our own history, but we need a year baseline to go by for technology and the way your people think.



New Harumf	Oct 14 2008, 07:59 AM Post #24
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	As far as I am concerned, this is a vote on tech level ONLY. We cannot assume the existance of Marx, Kant, Voltaire, Adam Smith or anyone "real" to pre-determine if capitalism exists, or if monarchies have been overturned or if there are communist movements, or even an industrial revolution as we know it. This should have nothing to do with the political climate of our time.



Sedulius	Oct 14 2008, 09:04 AM Post #25
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Dobakwie Oct 14 2008, 02:06 AM I dont mind anything, except that however far back we start, in the end, we still come to the future(or rather present). Not immediately of course. If we are say going to start as far back as 1600s, I think maybe by the next 3-4 years we would be in 2000. I just dont want to be stuck in that time zone for eternity, for rather for too long. Would get bored out of it. But still, lets see how it goes. I agree with this. Telo's comment is also sound. I believe the creation of such people as Adam Smith, Voltaire, etc. should be left of to whoever owns their country of origin, as that is who will be controlling that area's history. But yes, more or less I agree with NH. In this case, I may have to put up a claim for Northern France (Brittany, maybe Normandy, and certainly places further down to the border of other French nations) to expand the Irish Empire of the High King. :P


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