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Topic Started: Sep 11 2008, 05:46 PM (254 Views)
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http://www.jeffbossforpresident.org/
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Tristan da Cunha
Sep 11 2008, 06:03 PM
*headdesk*

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May we all take a moment of silence to remember this terrible day.
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I'd be lying if I said this image didn't make me smile.

On a more serious note:

Everyone should give a moment of silence to honor those who gave their lives for the protection of this country. 9-11 should become a new, less trivial, memorial day.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpoudLoc8sY
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Toussaint
Sep 11 2008, 11:40 PM
That.......made me cry.
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Sep 11 2008, 10:54 PM
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I'd be lying if I said this image didn't make me smile.

On a more serious note:

Everyone should give a moment of silence to honor those who gave their lives for the protection of this country. 9-11 should become a new, less trivial, memorial day.
I was going to post that. Then decided not to...

I'm glad someone else did. Simply for a little laugh. Granted, its wrong... but you just can't help but laugh.
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I'm glad someone else did. Simply for a little laugh. Granted, its wrong... but you just can't help but laugh.
I can. That's fucking sick.
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Sep 12 2008, 03:56 PM
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I'm glad someone else did. Simply for a little laugh. Granted, its wrong... but you just can't help but laugh.
I can. That's fucking sick.
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Sep 12 2008, 03:56 PM
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I'm glad someone else did. Simply for a little laugh. Granted, its wrong... but you just can't help but laugh.
I can. That's fucking sick.
I agree. Let us always remember the 9/11 terrorist attacks that were attacks against ALL of human civilization and democratic and western values.

However, the aftermath has been a catastrophe too... I supported the Afghanistan War because indeed it was necessary to take action, but Iraq War was a huge, huge mistake. And I'm glad the French government opposed it.
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You guys would never cut it in my world. *sigh*
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Sep 12 2008, 06:39 PM
You guys would never cut it in my world. *sigh*
I'm thankful for that, at times.
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September 11, 2001 was a day when a little piece of each and every one of us died.

For those of us who love our Country, or are our Friends and Allies, we need not worry about forgetting-- The only ones who would do such a thing are those who would cause us harm.
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Toussaint
Sep 11 2008, 11:40 PM
I really like that song, but I like this one more when I think of honoring the day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFs8wTK2tfg
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Sep 12 2008, 05:11 PM
I agree. Let us always remember the 9/11 terrorist attacks that were attacks against ALL of human civilization and democratic and western values.
Hmm.

Now I didn't post the falling for you image (tbh, I only snagged it on the 11th anyway).
And I kept my mouth shut out of respect for the people who feel strongly about this.

But I will not be spoken for.

September 11, 2001 was not a day when a little piece of me died.
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were not attacks against me.

If you feel strongly, I respect that right. But not everyone feels the same way as you.

So remember, discuss, pay respects if you will.

But some people realise it was a tragedy but can laugh about it. Others don't think it was a tragedy.
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If three-thousand innocent people going about their daily lives, with families, husbands, wives, sons and daughters being killed almost instantly, some jumping to their deaths out of desperation isn't a tragedy; or passengers on a plane being killed instantly in a ball of flames isn't a tragedy, I would like to know what you would consider a tragedy? I don't like you right now, Nag, because of that last post. I still love you, but I don't like you very much. People that joke about this, or other tragedies, are childish, foolish, or stupid - period.
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Tragedy is a matter of context.

Sixteen thousand (over five times as many) innocent children starve to death (very slowly and painfully) every day.

Do we sit down every day and cry at the injustice of it all? Or do we insult this every time we buy cut priced food or throw away our leftovers once we've eaten until we're full?

With America's obesity rates being what they are... that's a tragedy.

The 9/11 attacks were motivated out of hate and a desire to spread fear.

But given how selfish and self righteous the American people are...

It makes me want to scream and spit with the injustice of life when people like you and ED can harp on about how rough America has it and how terrible it is that people have died.

Now yes, the American people give to charity.
And yes, the British aren't much better.
But from the viewpoint of the terrorists, 9/11 couldn't have happened to a more deserving nation.

The only reason you care about 9/11 is because it happend to you.

When a privileged, upper-middle class, white American dies, it's a tradegy. The worst thing that can possibly happen to anyone ever.

When a poor, non-white child dies because 80% of the world's wealth is in the hands of 20% of the population... you don't even give it a second thought.

And worse than that, you're so small minded and self focused that if anyone disagrees with your slanted world views you demonise them.

Well guess what:

Fuck you.
Fuck america.

You've learned nothing from 9/11.
You've used it as a platform to spread hate, fear and war.

And now the common american is using it as a soapbox to preach how hard they have it and how everyone should rally to poor, victimised america.

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And that's why I've refrained from posting. I probably could (and should) have just made my point like last time without attacking the American people as now we're going to have a huge bitchfest as the American's try to justify why they don't care about the deaths of thousands of children every day by saying how much they give to charity and how there's nothing they can do about it.

Well there's nothing I can do about 9/11, so I guess it's ok to be blasé about that.

Next July: "Let's all remember the fifty six people who died in the 7/7 bombings - the worst of all human tragedies that changed the world forever!!!"
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I'm not going to bitch at you, or start a bitchfest. You are right in many ways. However, I am not looking for sympathy, nor do I want anyone to take pity on poor, poor America. I simply would like to see respect for the dead - that is all. Oh, and I will morn for the dead on 7/7. I will morn for the Spanish dead from 3/11. I still get a chill, and shed a tear on 6/6, and 11/7 - I get shivers thinking about the bombing of Britain during WWII, and will shed a tear. No one wants your sympathy, or even your tears, Nag. At least, not that I know.

And, by the way, I do care about those starving around the world - it makes me sad, and it pisses me off, mostly because their OWN governments won't raise a finger to help. Those dying of AIDS, especially the children, that pisses me off, and these things are not happening to me, but I do care.

So you know, there were many, many non-white, non-priveledged people - human lives - that died in 9/11. Waiters at the resturant on the 110th floor, along with busboys, cooks and dishwashers. Cleaning personnel, most imigrants of color living in one of the most expensive cities on the planet just eaking out an existance. Firefighters, security guards, children in the daycare center.

I cry about the tragedies in the world every night, and pray to a God that doesn't seem to hear, every night. I never feel, well, they deserve it, because they are poor, or brown, or yellow, or NOT ME. It is a shame you can be so callous, but perhaps that is a sign of the times - perhaps we are all getting to callous and self-centered. If so, it is a sad, sad thing.

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As I said, it's your right to feel bad about tragedies.

And I apologise for implying that you only cared about Amercian deaths. I don't want you to think it was a personal attack or that I think you're a bad person.

I personally, choose not to be bogged down with every loss of life. I do my part to limit harm to others in the way I see fit and I live my life.

Which probably makes me callous, and possibly makes me hypocritcal - because I don't stay up at night crying and praying for all the injustice in the world.

But I don't place the value of one human life above another. And I feel that for me to treat the 9/11 victims (or any other victims terrorist attack) as being special is an insult to everyone who's died to defend their loved ones, starved because of circumstances beyond their control or otherwised killed for no reason.

And so, no. 9/11 did not change me anymore than three-thousand of yesturday's sixteen-thousand child starvation deaths.
And no, 9/11 was not an attack on me against my rights and what I stand for.

And if I want to make a joke about it (and how many times do you describe things with expressions like "the traffic was murder"), then (just like rape, racism and religion) I'll make a joke about it. Other people don't have to find it funny, but quite a few people think that it's acceptable to make jokes about things that other people don't find funny (like rape, racism, sexism and religion).
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Sep 13 2008, 10:39 AM.
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Sep 13 2008, 10:37 AM
As I said, it's your right to feel bad about tragedies.

And I apologise for implying that you only cared about Amercian deaths. I don't want you to think it was a personal attack or that I think you're a bad person.

I personally, choose not to be bogged down with every loss of life. I do my part to limit harm to others in the way I see fit and I live my life.

Which probably makes me callous, and possibly makes me hypocritcal - because I don't stay up at night crying and praying for all the injustice in the world.

But I don't place the value of one human life above another. And I feel that for me to treat the 9/11 victims (or any other victims terrorist attack) as being special is an insult to everyone who's died to defend their loved ones, starved because of circumstances beyond their control or otherwised killed for no reason.

And so, no. 9/11 did not change me anymore than three-thousand of yesturday's sixteen-thousand child starvation deaths.
And no, 9/11 was not an attack on me against my rights and what I stand for.

And if I want to make a joke about it (and how many times do you describe things with expressions like "the traffic was murder"), then (just like rape, racism and religion) I'll make a joke about it. Other people don't have to find it funny, but quite a few people think that it's acceptable to make jokes about things that other people don't find funny (like rape, racism, sexism and religion).
Well then,

Two jews get on a streetcar.........
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You know fucking what, Nag...

Fuck it... I am not even going to comment on this. :dry:
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How about we remember the 174,000,000 individuals murdered by governments in the 20th century?

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Then I guess I am a blood-thirsty warmonger because I fully support Government, and I don't mind being taxed or taxing others, either. :)
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I cannot forgot the impression that 9/11 made to me...i cry for America...but after was bad as well...i cry for Iraqi and Afghani children that America kill in its blind revenge...
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