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| A New International Alliance; To act as our UN of sorts...sorta....well.... | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 7 2008, 09:45 PM (1,032 Views) | |
| NRE | Jul 1 2009, 10:01 PM Post #51 |
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You know I've been thinking, which is hardly ever a good thing.... :uglysmile: :hypocrite: :whistling: But anywho the more I think about this UN/loN style alliance the more it smells a bit fishy. Don't get me wrong I still think developing International laws and the like would be an interesting and worth-wild venture, just not sure setting up an international alliance of sorts is the way to go for our world. That said Sed, I'll send at least one nation to be apart of your alliance just to see where it goes. If it well I may look to involving another of my nations if its allowed by the Administration. As for my new considerations, I believe our old way may be the best way, that is to say that the post-Dominion world may be better off with Regional alliances once again, except this time those regional alliances may seek a bit more cooperation amongst themselves than prior. I mean before when I proposed the League of Nations style organization I felt it was the best if not only way of creating a forum for nations of the world to come together to generate international laws. However, I don't see why conferences can't be held and treaties can't do the same thing, just instead of the old days when we'd simply involve our neighbors and regional partners, we shall now extent it to other alliances in other regions. Those who sign on shall enforce it and thus eliminating, to a degree, the actual need of creating an international organization to take the place of the Dominion. Thus in short, I'm for the most part scrubbing my first idea as post (and I believe re-posted) in this topic and instead looking towards a route which will call for nations to host their own conferences and develop international laws through universal treaties instead of looking to create another type of Dominion to do the work for us. Still, I'll send at least a nation to your idea Sed if only to see where it goes as it may in fact work out. |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 1 2009, 11:13 PM Post #52 |
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I say stick to the present course you already set, NRE. Regional Alliances got old pretty fast towards the end. Not to say they can't exist, but let them co-exist with an international organization too. |
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| Sedulius | Jul 2 2009, 01:14 AM Post #53 |
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Ah, understood guys. So what exactly do you guys want? |
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| Ulgania | Jul 2 2009, 01:33 AM Post #54 |
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse
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A body for forming international law that has member states, but stays out of hard and sticky power would be cool well, maybe not economics but having an organ that can produce debate from the different regions/civilizations/nations/states would still be interesting. Like NRE I would most likely contribute at least one of my countries to it |
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| Sedulius | Jul 2 2009, 03:31 AM Post #55 |
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Well, I could always give the Senate in the League more Power. :lol: I was avoiding doing that because I didn't want an overbearing system, though it would really only require a few tweaks to the document, hence the invitation to Dublin to discuss and edit the document. Of course, I could always have the King of Leinster, Prince William, come up with a different document. I wasn't intending him to agree with the League. Irish politics are always complex. |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 2 2009, 03:55 AM Post #56 |
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Kasnyia will join ICON, but don't expect much outside of being present. Post-Dominion, Kasnyia will be too busy picking up the pieces (physically and otherwise) to really bother looking beyond its borders. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 3 2009, 12:19 PM Post #57 |
The Devil's Advocate
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I don't really want anything other than a talking shop. Like the League of Nations. An "Alliance" where all the nations of the world can meet and discuss global problems - but one without any real authority. No army. No international laws. Just a universally accepting Body than can mediate disputes and be a place where alliances and international laws can be made but aren't forced on anyone (i.e. everyone gets to opt out of any legislation they don't like). In essence, what I want is an IC Forum. I think it'd really help RPing if there was a central diplomatic location that had an ambassador from every nation in the world. If two Holy League states wanted to hash something out between them, they could meet in Genesis. If two Dominion leaders want a tet-a-tet they can meet in Zapht. In real life, nations have representatives to the UN. Having a permanent diplomatic mission (in say, Geneva), would be a great boon to RPing - IMO. People could have some named ambassadors which really represent their nation, and would have the chance to use these ambassadors over and over again in a place where they can interact with every nation in the world. Ideally, I'd like to see some kind of benefit for nations which are in the WA - maybe all the WA nations involved in this "League of Nations" would have a defensive alliance by default. Maybe WA nations should be the only ones who can vote on international laws, but would be the only ones who have to follow them (other nations of this "League of Nations" would be able to opt out). |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 3 2009, 01:33 PM Post #58 |
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Not entirely sure about tieing in the WA, but otherwise, this: |
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| A.Q. | Jul 3 2009, 02:00 PM Post #59 |
Beautiful Snowflake
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Hai guyz. My main interest in this idea is to scale down or eliminate the whole I'm-sending-my-ambassador-in-a-plane intro that occurs before seemingly all of the negotiations that took place back in the day. |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 3 2009, 02:09 PM Post #60 |
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That would be eliminated with this, I think. We'd already have an ambassador at the location. Just gotta start the conversation. |
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| lebowski2123 | Jul 3 2009, 04:12 PM Post #61 |
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A League of Nations I would definitely consider, anything more involved is too overbearing for Hamburg-Bremen at this point |
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| Sedulius | Jul 8 2009, 01:09 PM Post #62 |
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Well, I think I pretty much want the same thing. I just went a bit overboard with the League of Free Nations proposal (though keep in mind that isn't genuinely my idea). There isn't much interest in that last proposal, which isn't really a problem. I'll draft another document according to Nag guidelines. I'll include in the WA function as suggested, with WA members being part of the League Council, functioning in the way that Nag described. |
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| Ulgania | Jul 8 2009, 01:31 PM Post #63 |
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Your current proposal didn't seem like it was that different. It's semantics I guess. But are you calling for your other topic to be retconed? |
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| Sedulius | Jul 8 2009, 01:57 PM Post #64 |
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No, I will simply have another proposal drafted. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 8 2009, 04:17 PM Post #65 |
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By the by, I don't like the name "League of Nations". If NRE is OK with it then ICON is much better. |
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| Kasnyia | Jul 8 2009, 05:14 PM Post #66 |
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I second the notion. ICON over LoN. |
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| Sedulius | Jul 8 2009, 05:48 PM Post #67 |
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The name isn't a big deal, but it should be subject to a vote of the forum. People should propose names here. So far we've had: Assembly of Powers (AP) International Partnership for the Economic, Diplomatic, Militaristic Cooperation Between States Organizational Council (IOEDMCBSOC) United Nations Alliance (UNA) Organization of International Cooperation and Development (OICD) Coalition of Independent Nations (CIN) Coalition of Allied Powers (CAP) Commonwealth of Nations (CN) International Regulatory Assembly (IRA) :lol: International Coalition of Powers (ICOP) International Coalition of Nations (ICON) League of Free Nations (LFN) Personally, I think I like Commonwealth over Coalition. Coalition would be very good for a military alliance, but no good for a free assembly. Edited by Sedulius, Jul 8 2009, 05:48 PM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 8 2009, 05:56 PM Post #68 |
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International Commonwealth of Nations gets my vote. And you have no idea how much joy it brings me that someone understood my proposal of International Regulatory Assembly. "Nag Ehgoeg refused to co-operate with the IRA..." "Ireland supports IRA proposal to..." "Today's IRA meeting drew the most powerful nations of the Earth..." |
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| Porcu | Jul 8 2009, 06:59 PM Post #69 |
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."
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As with mine...But chiefly because it was my suggestion |
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| Ulgania | Jul 8 2009, 10:11 PM Post #70 |
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I agree with this everything in this post :lol: "In today's headlines, the IRA has moved to prosecute many top officials..." Also I support the ICON idea |
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| Konosha | Jul 8 2009, 10:25 PM Post #71 |
The Maui Boy
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Yes, I support ICON. |
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| A.Q. | Jul 8 2009, 10:28 PM Post #72 |
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| NRE | Jul 8 2009, 10:38 PM Post #73 |
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Ok so we're all back to my basic idea, fair enough :lol: I support the name: International Commonwealth of Nations (ICON) An I agree, a international embassy of sorts would perhaps be the best thing our forums could have here. But lets keep the structure small, no need mucking up the entire thing with different bodies and such. If I may toot my own horn why not simply make a international assembly whereby every nation present is allowed X number of delegates to represent them. If you want we can do like the UN and have one actually Ambassador-delegate but say that they are supported by an additional 4 in the background that never really get RPed by us much. An keep it basically at that. No Supreme Council or any other body which would be above the assembly so as to keep everyone equal. If there really needs to be some sort of leadership, then the Assembly can elected a Speaker or something whose basic powers can be to maintain the operations of ICON (assuming we go with this name). We can do a court thing too if people want because everyone knows suing people is just dag fun :lol: :P But most importantly, NO ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If nations wish to fight for the ideas of ICON then by its founding documents they should be allow to do so, but ICON itself should have no power to enforce its laws themselves otherwise it'll just be another World Dominion and WWII will be just around the corner. As for international laws and WA members, well as far as international law is concerned, why not just allow members of ICON to draw up treaties which will form the basis for international laws. All those states which sign will be subject to those laws, all those whom don't, won't be that way we can still have sick bastard states running a muck around the world. As for WA members, since this really won't be a UN where International law effects everyone, I don't see a need for special status for WA members and since we only have a handful I don't think its a big deal anymore. Basically ICON should be everything the Dominion wasn't aside from a place where nations and talk to other nations because that would make sense for a Post-Dominion world. Giving ICON any sort of power which resembles the power the Dominion states had in the Dominion over the world would and should be highly criticized by nations in a post-dominion world. Edited by NRE, Jul 8 2009, 10:46 PM.
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| Telosan | Jul 8 2009, 11:07 PM Post #74 |
The Foremost Intellectual Badass
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Though ICON looks like it'll win, can we put the name through a poll? |
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| NRE | Jul 8 2009, 11:26 PM Post #75 |
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Just for shits and giggles...done B) |
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