A New International Alliance

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A New International Alliance; To act as our UN of sorts...sorta....well....
Topic Started: Sep 7 2008, 09:45 PM (1,033 Views)
Nag Ehgoeg	Jun 9 2009, 02:47 PM Post #26
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	The International Regulatory Assembly.



Toussaint	Jun 9 2009, 07:09 PM Post #27
Major Posts: 1,973 Group: Members Member #377 Joined: October 3, 2007	I like the idea of a Democratic alliance, though I don't think it should be likened to the League of Nations. If we were to make some sort of LoN, or UN thing, I would suggest we have it set up very similar to the RL UN. A big, useless organization, that places sanctions and sends peace keepers to far off regions. Perhaps ALL nations could join- regardless of how many a member has in them. Indeed, we could set up a "Security council," if we felt the need, but I don't think this should be some sort of world peace alliance- otherwise, we just have another Dominion.



Telosan	Jun 9 2009, 07:20 PM Post #28
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	The UN only has power if it's members give it power. Since this would come in the wake of the Dominion or because of the fall of the Dominion, every nation should/would be leery of letting any other nation gain too much power. The union we make here should be set that each member is equal within the union and must contribute equally, etc, etc. The union would have to have some kind of military power, it's just to be expected or else it has no value. Then the stronger nations would/could just exert power over weaker nations and control the union. The union needs it's own military to defend itself and be able to step in elsewhere as needed with taskforces. Thus, the union should have a combined military consisting of forces from each member nation. We'd also have to set a rule that the union can't act without a vote of 2/3 or something for the action. The RL UN has land devoted towards it. East Timor, right? I say we set it up right on Zapht and the surrounding land. Probably not going to happen though, as Kas surely has a plan for the city.



Kasnyia	Jun 9 2009, 07:25 PM Post #29
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	I was thinking of donating the colony of East Ziyer actually. Putting this WA/UN organization's headquarters in Zapht would be like putting the UN headquarters in Auschwitz.



Ulgania	Jun 9 2009, 08:15 PM Post #30
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	I could offer up the former Serpentine Pact facilities. But, I think it should be in an area that's been liberated early in the war efforts. Start it off as a meeting point, then let it take root.



NRE	Jun 9 2009, 11:37 PM Post #31
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman Posts: 9,266 Group: Admin Member #120 Joined: April 21, 2005	I was actually thinking of putting in on an island somewhere, just not sure where :lol: Telosan The union would have to have some kind of military power, it's just to be expected or else it has no value. Then the stronger nations would/could just exert power over weaker nations and control the union. The union needs it's own military to defend itself and be able to step in elsewhere as needed with taskforces. Thus, the union should have a combined military consisting of forces from each member nation. As much sense as it may make, I was hoping this would be an alliance which would involve as many nations as wish to join in regardless of who controls them (I'll personally be submitting two nations) and I did not want it to be a military alliance or have a military at its will because then each nation has no reason to go to war nor will they have the ability to go to war on its own agenda. My idea was that this international alliance would control the international trade between its members, thereby when they levy sanctions on its member they will actually mean something since they could in theory starve them to death if they wished.



Kasnyia	Jun 10 2009, 01:29 AM Post #32
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	Well if you want an island, how about Formosa? As part of war reparations, the Dynastians have to give it up or something.



NRE	Jun 10 2009, 11:51 AM Post #33
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman Posts: 9,266 Group: Admin Member #120 Joined: April 21, 2005	Yeah maybe, I was looking for more of an Atlantic island, possibly Iceland if Menhad would agree, but I haven't talked to him about it so don't quote me on that idea. Ok to elaborate a bit more on my above comments about not wanting a centralized military, let me refresh everyone on my idea set forth in the beginning of this topic. The idea I have for this organization is that it will serve as a common ground for our nations to come together in efforts of diplomacy, to draft international laws such as the efforts started earlier by Nag, to foster cooperation in scientific and academic pursuits, as well as serve as the basis for a world market/trading post/bank. This last part is critical, as I'm hoping this organization will become the center point of world trade, that is to say that it will regulate it and basically control it. Of course we can control all world trade as not everyone will be a part of the organization, but if we get enough players and everyone agrees, we can control enough to theoretically be a strong player without the need of an actual military to back our laws. This organization doesn't need, nor should it have a centralized military of any kind. It wouldn't make sense that powers fighting against the World Dominion would agree to just create another to take its place no matter how honorable the new organizations intentions are. Besides if the charter goes as I've planned it the organization won't need a centralized military because members will be free to fight wars in the name of the ideas and laws this organization creates but on the same hand members won't be required to devout their military to the organization's will. What I'm looking to create is an organization you don't see here on the forums, that being an organization where we focus on RPing a single character who is apart of a larger legislative body, a place for people and their characters to work on their debating and political skills, rather than the world leaders and armies we're more accustomed to RPing. What I'd like to see is players drafting world legislation, having characters debate it, and then coming to a vote. We can even bring in current WA resolutions and debate them, come to a vote, and then have our delegates vote on them from the results we get here. Again, it will allow us another venue to RP, another vantage point for which to use our creativity. Now you won't have to be a WA member when it comes to joining this organization however, if you are I believe you should get rewarded and therefore think that WA members should automatically get in. Other nations will be made to request membership, and have it voted on by the rest. Other than that, WA members will get no special privileges over the non-WA members. As for the structure of the organization, I would like to see itl be a simple democratic council, with every nation equally represented. I'm hoping to see NO security council or anything of that sort like the real UN. Perhaps we can simply elected from within the Council a speaker of the house type figure to maintain the order and see to it that the council runs smoothly. I don't expect every nation to join, Russia won't nor will the Eastern Empire. Still I think we can get enough nations, whom will probably be mostly democratic although certainly any nation will be welcome to join, that it will create a nice new power block in our world. Oh and as for the name, I am liking a Coalitionques name. Of course I'm partial to Coalition of Ordered Governments :lol: Edited by NRE, Jun 10 2009, 12:25 PM.



Kasnyia	Jun 10 2009, 12:12 PM Post #34
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	International Coalition of Powers nodnod I agree with your idea, and IC Kasnyia will certainly support it, being one of the more diplomatically inclined societies in our world.



NRE	Jun 10 2009, 12:28 PM Post #35
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman Posts: 9,266 Group: Admin Member #120 Joined: April 21, 2005	International Coalition of Nations....ICON :o



Kasnyia	Jun 10 2009, 12:50 PM Post #36
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	Win. :D



Menhad	Jun 10 2009, 02:33 PM Post #37
ET2(IDW) Posts: 2,681 Group: Veterans Member #143 Joined: May 22, 2005	Since I'm killing Menhad Iceland will wont be up to me.



NRE	Jun 10 2009, 03:42 PM Post #38
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman Posts: 9,266 Group: Admin Member #120 Joined: April 21, 2005	I thought you were that's why I was considering it personally, although its sad to hear that :sad: Of course I think Nag is considering killing off Switzerland which would also be an interesting location.



Nag Ehgoeg	Jul 1 2009, 08:10 AM Post #39
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Nag is indeed killing off Switzerland. It's yours if you want it.



Sedulius	Jul 1 2009, 08:40 AM Post #40
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Well this certainly leaves expansion opportunities for Eire. :gnarkgnark: I would say League of Free Nations (LFN), but that's from my brother's and my game. Sort of like the League of Free Worlds for anyone that played Colony Wars on the PS1. I don't want Ireland to join any kind of alliance, but I would certainly join the equivalent of a league of free nations. Actually, drafting such an organization would be a good investment of my time that I would complete. I think I'll do just that.



Filo	Jul 1 2009, 11:18 AM Post #41
General Posts: 3,999 Group: Veterans Member #192 Joined: October 31, 2005	HRE will be neutral but NAN will join Happily



Nag Ehgoeg	Jul 1 2009, 11:24 AM Post #42
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	I think that this kind of Alliance will be perfect for neutral nations. Nag Ehgoeg will be joining. We plan to do nothing but be obstinate and participate only to irk and enrage the other members until we're thrown out on our ear, but I think this is a great idea and I wanna take part.



Sedulius	Jul 1 2009, 11:31 AM Post #43
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Wow! Didn't think people would like that idea. I'll get right to work, after my grocery shopping...



Kasnyia	Jul 1 2009, 01:31 PM Post #44
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	Seeing as the Coalition moniker seems to be sticking, IC, something with that word in it for the name.



Sedulius	Jul 1 2009, 01:38 PM Post #45
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Coalition sounds to military for my taste, but the final name of the organization will be for the forum to decide.



Sedulius	Jul 1 2009, 04:09 PM Post #46
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Posted. Consider that while it is extreme in some ways and in some ways ironic, it is rather balanced. It is structured in such a way that nations can do whatever they want within Limited War, with the exception that forming an International Military is strictly forbidden, even though ironically (though not technically) the League does this itself.



Nag Ehgoeg	Jul 1 2009, 04:45 PM Post #47
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Sedulius Jul 1 2009, 11:31 AM Wow! Didn't think people would like that idea. I'll get right to work, after my grocery shopping... I was talking to flumes and referring to NRE's general idea. Nag Ehgoeg will not be joining your League. Sorry for any confusion.



Porcu	Jul 1 2009, 07:39 PM Post #48
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes." Posts: 4,188 Group: Global Mods Member #415 Joined: February 19, 2008	Don't worry...Porcu will join Wait...Maybe not... Edited by Porcu, Jul 1 2009, 07:42 PM.



Ulgania	Jul 1 2009, 08:01 PM Post #49
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	I'm on the fence. I'm all for inter-regional alliances, but we should try to put an emphasis on regionalism with more independent ties between states between regions... Not to sound hypocritical though but I'm gonna try to get things going between East Africa and the Middle East going again Edited by Ulgania, Jul 1 2009, 08:04 PM.



Telosan	Jul 1 2009, 08:59 PM Post #50
The Foremost Intellectual Badass Posts: 3,893 Group: Map Makers Member #445 Joined: May 27, 2008	Hmm, I think I'd join. Provided it holds together and doesn't fall apart, I'd be happy to help move it along.


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