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I'm not in good shape.; Or, rather, my friend isn't.
Topic Started: Aug 18 2008, 01:42 AM (384 Views)
Toussaint
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As many of you may have seen in the absences thread, I may be taking a voluntary leave of absence to help a friend. I hope none of you see me as a big bitch for bringing this here :P A couple of you already know a bit about my situation, but most don't. So, here goes. :(

Now, the problem is with someone else (not me, just to be clear). However, this girl is severely different. I liked her quite a while back- she was cute enough, though a bit spacey. So, I got tied into the process of "perusing her," so to speak. This however soon went out the window. Her friend discouraged me, and for whatever reason I gave up. I guess deep down I just knew it wouldn't work.

In recent weeks, however, I've just been becoming particularly friendly with her. Not because I was re-interested in her- I just wanted to be her friend. It worked, and I quickly became one of her friends. Now, I'm realizing I may be in over my head. In the process of becoming a friend, I've sort of fallen for her once again.

Here's the complications. She's got issues. None of them are her fault, and she's still nice as can be. Like seriously, saintly nice. However, she's mildly paranoid, a hemophiliac, has anemia, has issues with blood sugar, passes out randomly from time to time (due to blood sugar issues), and, I've just recently learned, suffers from chronic depression. Needless to say, her being a bit spacey is justified.

Now, despite knowing all this, I think that by getting to know her better I've fallen for her again. I think it really amazes me that any human being could be so happy (at least on the surface) and religiously devout with those kinds of problems. But this couldn't have come at a worse time. (continue).

As her friend, I feel a great responsibility. She compels me to make a better person out of myself. (Yes, I know, I'm corny as hell, but do see above). I've become her best guy friend, and I see that as a weight of responsibility as well. As such, I've become a bit protective- when people talk about her negatively, I instantly snap into fighting mode. I don't put up with that shit. In fact, I almost kicked a strangers ass the other day for basically attempting to assault her (he slammed into me instead, due to my quick reaction).

Her own personality also comes as a stark contrast to myself. I'm known as a fairly laid back, cool guy. Much higher on the "social ladder" than she would be. ((Not that I see myself as superior. Friends have told me this, and it pisses me off, and I've almost busted a few of their heads over it, but I suppose I can see where they are coming from)). She however is seen as an outcast (and, to the average stranger, they may mistake her as emo). Despite us being a world apart in personality terms, we still connect. Not that I really give a shit about what society thinks here. I'm going to stick to my guns and my morals on this one. I think she needs me right now, and I need to do what I can.

Now, she's entered a bout of depression. And, feeling a responsibility to her, I'm quite a wreck right now. I want to be there for her no matter what. I wish I could make her feel better. But, I know depression doesn't work like that. People with depression, however, do sometimes seek alternative lifestyles- as such, she becomes more and more distant by the day. In addition, the depression is really taking a toll on her psyche. She's definitely not in her right mind when certain topics (such as death) come up. (NOTE: She's NOT suicidal- just disturbingly blunt to death). I'm at the point that when I'm with her, I'm fearful of other people's ignorant, stupid heads judging her.

I just want to know what everyone else thinks. Am I doing the right thing by standing by her? Should I give up? If you were in my shoes, what would you do?

Thanks for listening to my monologue :P I really hope y'all don't see me as a bitch now, but this is giving me a lot of grief.
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Be with her.

I know better than anyone else (Okay...NH might know more than I) that diabetics (you claim "blood sugar problems") tend to get really erratic when they are in a state of emotional despair.

One thing leads to another, and you are looking at really high blood sugars. I almost died of said problem back in 2005. Too depressed, blood sugars were through the roof, etc.

Comfort her. Do it. You may save her life.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Aug 18 2008, 03:27 AM
Comfort her. Do it.
Occam's Razor dictates that this is the correct solution.

And while you can't snap someone out of a depressive state... fun things often help as a distraction. Carnival, bowling, ice skating - you know typical "dating" type things. Active things rather than passive movie watching is good.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Ah how I miss high school.

On a more serious note- she should enter a convent.
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First read about "enabling." Better yet, read a book about "Enabling". It is a dangerous trap people who care fall into and the last thing you want to do is enable her current mess.

Second, medications are available to help with her depression and blood sugar issues - is she seeing a doctor? Is she under medical supervision? If not, tell her she needs to be, otherwise you can't hang with her (see paragraph above). You are not trained to advise her medically, clinically or emotionally.

Blood sugar: if low it can set you into a rage! if high it can make you comatose. If just perfect it can still mess you up, and if she doesn't begin controlling it SOON (note emphesis) she will die, period. She will need help with that which you can easily provide AFTER she gets medical care.

I don't know enough about hemophelia, so I don't know what to tell you.

Keep us abreast.
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Toussaint
Aug 18 2008, 01:42 AM
As many of you may have seen in the absences thread, I may be taking a voluntary leave of absence to help a friend. I hope none of you see me as a big bitch for bringing this here :P A couple of you already know a bit about my situation, but most don't. So, here goes. :(

Now, the problem is with someone else (not me, just to be clear). However, this girl is severely different. I liked her quite a while back- she was cute enough, though a bit spacey. So, I got tied into the process of "perusing her," so to speak. This however soon went out the window. Her friend discouraged me, and for whatever reason I gave up. I guess deep down I just knew it wouldn't work.

In recent weeks, however, I've just been becoming particularly friendly with her. Not because I was re-interested in her- I just wanted to be her friend. It worked, and I quickly became one of her friends. Now, I'm realizing I may be in over my head. In the process of becoming a friend, I've sort of fallen for her once again.

Here's the complications. She's got issues. None of them are her fault, and she's still nice as can be. Like seriously, saintly nice. However, she's mildly paranoid, a hemophiliac, has anemia, has issues with blood sugar, passes out randomly from time to time (due to blood sugar issues), and, I've just recently learned, suffers from chronic depression. Needless to say, her being a bit spacey is justified.

Now, despite knowing all this, I think that by getting to know her better I've fallen for her again. I think it really amazes me that any human being could be so happy (at least on the surface) and religiously devout with those kinds of problems. But this couldn't have come at a worse time. (continue).

As her friend, I feel a great responsibility. She compels me to make a better person out of myself. (Yes, I know, I'm corny as hell, but do see above). I've become her best guy friend, and I see that as a weight of responsibility as well. As such, I've become a bit protective- when people talk about her negatively, I instantly snap into fighting mode. I don't put up with that shit. In fact, I almost kicked a strangers ass the other day for basically attempting to assault her (he slammed into me instead, due to my quick reaction).

Her own personality also comes as a stark contrast to myself. I'm known as a fairly laid back, cool guy. Much higher on the "social ladder" than she would be. ((Not that I see myself as superior. Friends have told me this, and it pisses me off, and I've almost busted a few of their heads over it, but I suppose I can see where they are coming from)). She however is seen as an outcast (and, to the average stranger, they may mistake her as emo). Despite us being a world apart in personality terms, we still connect. Not that I really give a shit about what society thinks here. I'm going to stick to my guns and my morals on this one. I think she needs me right now, and I need to do what I can.

Now, she's entered a bout of depression. And, feeling a responsibility to her, I'm quite a wreck right now. I want to be there for her no matter what. I wish I could make her feel better. But, I know depression doesn't work like that. People with depression, however, do sometimes seek alternative lifestyles- as such, she becomes more and more distant by the day. In addition, the depression is really taking a toll on her psyche. She's definitely not in her right mind when certain topics (such as death) come up. (NOTE: She's NOT suicidal- just disturbingly blunt to death). I'm at the point that when I'm with her, I'm fearful of other people's ignorant, stupid heads judging her.

I just want to know what everyone else thinks. Am I doing the right thing by standing by her? Should I give up? If you were in my shoes, what would you do?

Thanks for listening to my monologue :P I really hope y'all don't see me as a bitch now, but this is giving me a lot of grief.
Looks to me like:

a) Whether you are attracted to her or as just a friend, you clearly care a lot about her, and are protective of her
b) You are happy to be around her as you say it makes you better for it
c) She clearly needs you

Yeah, I'd say you are doing the right thing. You can't do everything for her, obviously, but it seems like you are doing what you can to take care of her. And of course you are right to ignore all the social politics; fuck that shit, people are too important to put up with that abstraction.
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get with that!
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Friend or love, overall I think you're doing the right thing. No one is perfect and it is the differences that helps we individuals grow.

That said you sure never endanger your own health for the health of the other. Man that comes out colder than I thought it would, but seriously you can't sacrifice your own health and then hope to be able to help someone else. Therefore what I am saying is help her sure, but understand that you can't always help her and never go to the extent that you hurt yourself and therefore become useless to her.

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Aug 18 2008, 08:35 AM
First read about "enabling." Better yet, read a book about "Enabling". It is a dangerous trap people who care fall into and the last thing you want to do is enable her current mess.

Second, medications are available to help with her depression and blood sugar issues - is she seeing a doctor? Is she under medical supervision? If not, tell her she needs to be, otherwise you can't hang with her (see paragraph above). You are not trained to advise her medically, clinically or emotionally.

Blood sugar: if low it can set you into a rage! if high it can make you comatose. If just perfect it can still mess you up, and if she doesn't begin controlling it SOON (note emphesis) she will die, period. She will need help with that which you can easily provide AFTER she gets medical care.

I don't know enough about hemophelia, so I don't know what to tell you.

Keep us abreast.
Yes, she has seen a doctor, and has medication, but the problems persist. I don't think the blood sugar is a major issue anymore, but it is still an issue. As far as depression goes, she's seen a doctor and has medicine. I don't think any clinical therapy is involved, however.

Thanks for the responses.

Though, NRE, I don't think I see what you mean. None of those afflictions are contagious- except, occasionally, for depression. I think I'm safe on that front, and I know when to take breaks. I know not to throw myself into it so hard that I actually pick up some depressive symptoms as well.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Stick to you're guns dood...
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Ulgania
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I think it's pretty obvious you haev real feelings for her considering you're posting it here. I don't mean this negatively at all, just that the fact you're willing to ask for guidance speaks volumes.

Do what your heart tells you!
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You're doing the right thing, and are admirable for it, Toussaint.
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Dump her. Seriously.

I've been through a scenario like this. For close to eight years in fact.

It's not going to work. Bail out now, as it's all eventually going to bite you in the ass.

Being dependent on you won't be enough for her. She'll find others to latch onto, even imaginary gay boys from the Internet that lie to her for four years straight and turn out to be heterosexual girls. Despite the lies, she'll have become far more dependent, unhealthily so, on this person and start ignoring all the thoughtful, special things you've done for her. She'll start letting the lying bitch control her life decisions and eventually cut off all contact with you. Soon she'll become nothing but a mockery of what you once loved.

Bail out now.

Don't make the same mistake I did by pursuing a relationship.
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Do whatever you think you need to do, but don't let this one particular fish keep you from being happy or seeing all the other fish in the sea.
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You know my thoughts, Toussaint.

That said, Scythirus makes a good point.

I've been in a relationship with a girl with serious depression issues (come to think of it all of them did, but that's beside the point. And this is just as severe: the girl has been raped about seven times). She was EXTREMELY suicidal when I first met her. I changed that completely. She hasn't cut her wrists since. We had a good run, but eventually I went off on vacation, and I wasn't around when her grandpa had a heart attack. When I got back she dropped me faster than a hat. Then she toyed with me for the next year or two, being a direct cause of the failure of my next relationship (though this was partly due to my inexperience at the time).

I still am feeling effects from it. I'm having to avoid talking to the one I love (that second girl) just because she's with someone else and it causes me so much heart ache to speak with her. I have to do it because I must not be depressed so I can succeed in college. But she'll call again, as they always do.

So, my advice is, as a fellow good man, do this. Help her. Save her. But as soon as she turns on you, no matter how much you love her, drop her and have no more to do with her, because she will find other people and will only toy with you. They really don't realize what they do, but that is what they do.

Hopefully, it all works out, she really does fall for you, and there are no problems. But things in life are rarely so simple.
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Now, I think my situation is entirely different then the both of yours. Firstly, Siadhail- she's no suicidal. As bad as the depression may get, there have yet to be signs of suicidal tendencies, nor am I aware of any suicidal thoughts.

Scy- I think there are some very well defined personality differences between you and I that make the possibility of your situation occurring in my situation impossible, as well as likely personality differences between my friend and.
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Maybe I shouldn't post here, but I think he is making the right thing and fully approve him .
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Toussaint
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Aug 19 2008, 07:47 PM
Dump her. Seriously.

I've been through a scenario like this. For close to eight years in fact.

It's not going to work. Bail out now, as it's all eventually going to bite you in the ass.

Being dependent on you won't be enough for her. She'll find others to latch onto, even imaginary gay boys from the Internet that lie to her for four years straight and turn out to be heterosexual girls. Despite the lies, she'll have become far more dependent, unhealthily so, on this person and start ignoring all the thoughtful, special things you've done for her. She'll start letting the lying bitch control her life decisions and eventually cut off all contact with you. Soon she'll become nothing but a mockery of what you once loved.

Bail out now.

Don't make the same mistake I did by pursuing a relationship.
Good call. :(
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Sad to hear things didn't work out. Alas Scy knows his shit.
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It's tough now... And it may take time to realize, but at least now you know it wouldn't have ever worked for the long term.... That versus going through your entire life wondering.

A unknown internet poster with a dog on his avatar once said...
"Pain goes away over time, regrets on the other hand leave you with a painful curiosity for all of eternity."
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Jan 26 2009, 12:42 AM
It's tough now... And it may take time to realize, but at least now you know it wouldn't have ever worked for the long term.... That versus going through your entire life wondering.

A unknown internet poster with a dog on his avatar once said...
"Pain goes away over time, regrets on the other hand leave you with a painful curiosity for all of eternity."
This is the truth. You will be better. She will be better. Do not have guilt.
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Fuck hemophilia.
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