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| Topic Started: Jul 27 2008, 06:46 AM (179 Views) | |
| Catholic Europe | Jul 27 2008, 06:46 AM Post #1 |
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OOC: I'm a little bit peeved about this....you didn't clear it with me before hand so I suggest that you call it Genesis City not Constantinople. If you're gonna do this without telling me first then you do it on my terms and not yours. And this is an important term. Otherwise I will just ignore this. Do you people not learn from your mistakes? |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jul 27 2008, 10:11 AM Post #2 |
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OOC: Can I say how much I love the Nagian diplomacy? And Nag's post has set off some ideas turning in my mind that I may have to talk over with some of you guys at some point in the future... Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jul 27 2008, 10:14 AM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 27 2008, 10:23 AM Post #3 |
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OOC: NationStates is nothing. You should see me in real life. On that note... does anyone have surviving members of the Papal bloodline. Preferably decendants of surviving members given the amount of time that has passed in CE? PM us if you do. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jul 27 2008, 11:17 AM Post #4 |
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OOC: Nag I sent you a PM regarding those characters I am involved with who have any amount of papal blood in their veins. This gets my mental gears turning even more BTW... I may have some ideas, that once I get worked out, I will send to you, CE, and Siadhail. |
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| Sedulius | Jul 27 2008, 01:14 PM Post #5 |
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OOC: Okay, I am officially stating my personal neutrality. I don't want to make anyone mad. CE, it only makes sense for my nation, being Orthodox, to call Genesis City instead Constantinople. I'm not trying to insult you with that, but you can't dictate the official position my nation takes. I'm sorry I did not contact you beforehand as I was not aware I had to as this is not a declaration of war. I do fully realize the implications of this thread, however, and the overall situation is going as planned. But the main thing I wanted to accomplish in this specific thread was getting the proposed alliance going. Just clearing that up. Nag, I'd like to respond to your statement, but I don't want to provoke any more bad OOC reactions. I actually quite like these arguments, but I'm only going to respond IC again when I'm sure people aren't going to take it personally. It's no fun with that attached. Funny thing, I'm the only one in this thread not a veteran or higher. Ha. Edited by Sedulius, Jul 27 2008, 01:15 PM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 27 2008, 01:26 PM Post #6 |
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OOC: AFAIK, and bear in mind I'm not CE, the situation is this. In Real Life the city called Constantinople was not called that when it was founded. It was not called that by the person (Emperor Constantine) who founded it. It was called that by a third party after the Emperor's death. As such... while the city has never been called Constantinople by CE (in NSWR history it went straight from Byzantium to Genesis City (and I'm fairly sure Constantinople moved the Papal seat to Genesis when he moved the capital and that marks when the Roman Empire ended and Catholic Europe began))... it makes sense that other nations might call it that IC. (As it would be a term of respect for the last Roman Emperor and a term of very mild distain for Catholic Europe than replaced it.) Doesn't make them right. In fact, it makes them using an incorrect propaganda name. But it makes sense for people to call it that if they want to. That said you are supposed to let people know if you plan on screwing them over. It would have been polite to talk to CE first. That said... CE, you're over-reacting. No-one is going to come and steal your land for you. All that's happening here is that the "Roman" (Read: Orthodox) nations are going to be your enemies. Newsflash - they're already your enemies. :D :lol: Now I realise that another anti-CE alliance is forming. And I know that's got to be annoying. (And I know how you don't like people calling it Constantiople.) But Siadhail isn't doing this to annoy you. He's doing it because it makes sense for his nation. If "Romans" tried to take CE by force, every Genesian state (whether they loved Antonio or hated him) would come to your aid. The Dominion would come to your aid. Paradise might well come to your aid - if only because he wants to rename Genesis City to Istanbul and seems to hate the idea of it being Constantinople almost as much as you do. So chill. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Jul 27 2008, 01:31 PM.
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| Quaon | Jul 27 2008, 02:03 PM Post #7 |
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later
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OOC: Catholic Europe has existed since the Roman Empire? I was always under the impression that it arose sometime in the Middle Ages. Also, I think somebody needs to adapt thos for our world. :lol: |
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| Catholic Europe | Jul 27 2008, 02:19 PM Post #8 |
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OOC: Ok, ok. I've calmed down and, with Nags well put explanation I've come to reason lol. You can call it Constantinople. I just think that I over-reacted because, as usual, I am the subject that everyone rallies against lol! |
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| Sedulius | Jul 27 2008, 02:30 PM Post #9 |
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OOC: Actually, by Nag's reasoning, I might start calling it Byzantium. :lol: Though I need to read up on the history more before I make another response. I need an unbiased view of how the schism happened. Sedulion goes with who it's convinced is right. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jul 27 2008, 02:31 PM Post #10 |
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OOC: Reading history won't get you an unbiased view. That's not how history works... The best you can do is sort through the accumulated biases of centuries and construct a version that fits your own biases. edit: Sorry for the random mini-rant... Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jul 27 2008, 03:07 PM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 27 2008, 03:53 PM Post #11 |
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OOC: I don't know when CE's official founding date is. I've always just assumed it was early. And because moving the Papal seat only makes sense using the RL timeline with the move of the Roman capital to Constantinople (and seeing as Constantinople has always been called Genesis City IC), I just assumed that was the date of founding. I might be wrong. Byzantium would be like me calling RL New York, New Amsterdam. People just don't like it better that way. |
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| Sedulius | Jul 27 2008, 04:21 PM Post #12 |
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OOC: I like New Amsterdam better. The Dutch only gave it over in a trade agreement so they could monopolize the spice islands. True they say the English took it, but they neglect to mention the Dutch took it right back. Dutch pwn English in Anglo-Dutch Wars. :P |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 27 2008, 04:32 PM Post #13 |
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The Devil's Advocate
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OOC: The Duetch PAID us to end the war. Granted we started it and they finished it, but we got New York back and a nice tribute to boot. That said... the Dutch are a worthy foe. Certainly better than the Germans and the French. And the Spanish. And Italians. And Iraqis. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Jul 27 2008, 04:33 PM.
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| Toussaint | Jul 28 2008, 11:19 AM Post #14 |
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Well, I've made an offer of friendship to you ;) :rolleyes: |
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| Porcu | Jul 28 2008, 02:00 PM Post #15 |
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So with all this commotion I assume that the "rebirth" of Catholic Europe is complete and he's back into the thick of European and world politics? Also, would someone be kind enough to point me in the right direction in finding a old thread or two discussing the schism between the Cologne Catholics and Genesis Catholics? |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 28 2008, 04:25 PM Post #16 |
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OOC: Good question. I have no idea. I don't even remember who founded that church. The reason for the split was pretty much having a too authoritarian Pope and wishing to modernise the church. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jul 28 2008, 05:04 PM Post #17 |
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http://s3.zetaboards.com/nationstates/topic/223652/1/ |
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| Filo | Jul 28 2008, 05:10 PM Post #18 |
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OCC: Constantinople was relatively ancient as name, but was not Constantinople but City of Constantin(the mening is the same, i know, but was writted in another way). It was called also New Rome, THE CITY(as Roma did) and NEVER called Byzantium by Byzantine that found this name offensive. Mikeles Psellos history is vry clear about and also Niketas Koniates was clear too about the name of the Roman capital. This to be clear about the name...if Fixed. - Nag Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Jul 28 2008, 05:24 PM.
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| Porcu | Jul 29 2008, 11:19 AM Post #19 |
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."
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Thanks for the thread... |
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| Filo | Jul 29 2008, 02:24 PM Post #20 |
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Nag why you have signed my quotes? I'm only talking OCC. I'm no taking parti with no one. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Aug 2 2008, 12:27 PM Post #21 |
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OOC: Ask and ye shall recieve. Now someone make me a video... or get TMBG to play NS... |
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| Toussaint | Aug 2 2008, 12:33 PM Post #22 |
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O_O Nice :lol: |
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| Rhadamanthus | Aug 2 2008, 01:36 PM Post #23 |
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So that's what you sound like... |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Aug 2 2008, 02:01 PM Post #24 |
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The Devil's Advocate
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OOC: Yeah. My band is ever greatful that I only ever do backing lyrics and no more. :P |
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| Ulgania | Aug 2 2008, 02:47 PM Post #25 |
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse
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OOC: So... this thread looks juicy, but there's like 5 IC posts over 35 posts. I'll get in on this somehow if it's viable |
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