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| Philosophy of Satanism | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 2 2008, 12:32 AM (244 Views) | |
| Porcu | Aug 2 2008, 12:32 AM Post #1 |
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."
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As the curious guy that I am I've recently been looking and reading into Satanism and the Church of Satan. Basically, the most interesting thing for me is their complete belief of "the here and now." I dunno if there already has been a thread about this topic or a topic similar to this and if there has I apologize, but its about 2 in the morning where I live and its been interesting to read about their core beliefs. Note: I do not consider myself a Satanist but I do find its philosophy interesting and therefore am willing to try and understand it. Pretty much I just wanted to gauge everyone else's opinion on either Satanism specifically or their own general views of philosophy... |
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| Comrade Queen | Aug 2 2008, 01:31 AM Post #2 |
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It's just humanism with a fancy name and retarded costumes. |
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| Sedulius | Aug 2 2008, 06:12 AM Post #3 |
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The official Church of Satan is a foolish establishment, in my opinion. They don't really believe in anything, rather they follow what Satan "represents". You pretty much summed that up with the "here and now" philosophy, even though that isn't really what Satan represents. Your real Satanists go out and try stealing animals for ritual sacrifices and other screwed up stuff. The farmers in Idaho had a problem with Satanists stealing their cows and began to shoot the bastards with rock salt. Anymore into the subject of Satanists and we'll start getting into things people won't necessarily believe, such as witchcraft and the like. I must say, you want unshakable proof that God exists, that Christianity is true, you need only look for the evil practices and try them, and your eyes will be open... if you're still you. I wouldn't recommend doing this, even to the most strong-willed people. A few drops of blood can light a candle... Temptations, temptations. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Aug 2 2008, 06:33 AM Post #4 |
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The Devil's Advocate
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I don't know if this is obvious baiting or not. And I don't really care. I'm not in the mood to dress up how you should be afraid of us evil Satanists. Nor am I in the mood to go through step by step explaining our beliefs and justifying myself. But I will take part in the debate. Because I like to debate. Porcu... you've missed the point of Satanism. "Seize the day" is closer than "live for the now". The belief that we only have one life and should make the most of it means making the most of life. It doesn't mean "do whatever you want today because tomorrow you might be dead". Of course, tomorrow you might well be dead - a Satanist despises self-denial, sacrificing the now for a reward that might not come. But getting a college education so you can be successful is infinitely more Satanic than doing a bunch of drugs and flunking out of school because you're "living for the now". Satanists make their own fun: we have long term goals, we just have fun while we work towards them. Also... we build robots. Anyone who understands that understands Satanism. Scy, you understand Satanism a lot. But you've also missed the point. Satanism is the fun version of Humanism. Humanism states that man is a moral creature and that we can all be ethical and follow the Golden Rule without believing in God. Satanism asks "where's the fun"? So we dress up in silly costumes, speak a dead language invented by a bored Victorian and ignore pointless morality to focus on what works. Your average Humanist is indistinguishable from your average "Christian". Siadhail - promises, promises. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Feb 16 2009, 02:47 PM.
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| New Harumf | Aug 2 2008, 08:40 AM Post #5 |
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Satanism does not involve the belief in Satan. Believing in Satan would require a belief in God. Do not confuse devil worship and witchcraft or wican with Satanism. |
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| Porcu | Aug 2 2008, 11:31 AM Post #6 |
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."
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Although its a thin line I think I do now understand the difference, but like Scy said about having a fancy name...Is the only reason this particular school of philosophy is called Satanism because Satan is usually used to represent our most basic animal instincts and characteristics? Isn't there also a sense of only looking out for "yours truely"? Its an interesting line of thought and I must say that I agree with a lot of it, but calling it Satanism seems a little misleading...They should call it "ultimate individualism" :lol: |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Aug 2 2008, 11:53 AM Post #7 |
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Very good questions. Insightful. If you take the time to read the works of Anton LaVey, then you can reach your own conclusion - the basics are right there in The Book of Lucifer (the second book in the Satanic Bible). Or, if you want me to explain it to you: We build robots. Actually, if you're interested, the works of Douglas Adams might be more helpful than LaVey. He wrote some interesting thoughts on "Radical Atheism": [Edit] Hmm... it cuts out a couple of minutes from the end of the published text. Of course, nine minutes is probably plenty long enough for most of you - and the parts relevant to why it's called Satanism are all expressed in the first three minutes. If I dig out the text I'll post the full version. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Aug 2 2008, 12:06 PM.
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| Toussaint | Aug 2 2008, 12:37 PM Post #8 |
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I'm confused. What is with the robots? :huh: |
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| Deleted User | Aug 2 2008, 12:42 PM Post #9 |
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The Church of Satan is a sham Lets start off with looking at the Satanic Bible, it is completely plagiarized from works of Alister Crowley and Atlas Shrugged. So the Satanic Bible is a legitimate work being it does not deserve to have the name Anton LeVay on it. Now lets look at Anton LeVay, he is an opportunists and capitalist that to the day he died created lies about his life. You may have heard stories about how his house he lives in used to be a brothel, which is not true and also impossible. The house he lived in was the same one he grew up in, he had secret passages put in when he became the owner. Anton LeVay claims to have had an affair with Marilyn Monroe, which is not true because Marilyn Monroe never lived or worked in the area Anton worked in. Anton LeVay has worked in movies to help decorating satanic alters and such, he was nothing more than a greed that found a way to make money fast and easy at other peoples expenses. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Aug 2 2008, 12:49 PM Post #10 |
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The Devil's Advocate
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Satanists. We build robots. It's one of the core principles of Satanism. It's what we Satanists actually do. You'll have to have read around the Satanic Bible a little bit (not that much, simply reading The Devil's Notebook or The Satanic Witch is enough), but if you've read and understand Anton LeVay's teachings then me repeating the statement "We build robots" will make sense. If you don't understand the statement and how it sums up everything about Satanism, then I'm not being paid to educate you. If you think you understand and but disagree then you don't understand, but you understand enough to make me debating you worth my while. And if you understand, then you understand. We build robots. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Aug 2 2008, 01:02 PM.
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| Toussaint | Aug 2 2008, 12:52 PM Post #11 |
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I get it. Robots. I guess what I was asking was why? |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Aug 2 2008, 12:53 PM Post #12 |
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*Tastes quoted post* Yum. Bitter. That would be telling. Find out for yourself... or give me a reason to take the time to explain it to you. Because I see no reason to enlighten you other than the fact that you asked. Don't get me wrong, I'm usually happy to give answers to people's questions. It's just that as soon as I take the time to explain Satanism to one person, it means that people like Anthrax Distributers and Siadhail (nothing personal guys) think that they can address me in debate about my beliefs and educate me about how I'm wrong. Which I'm not in the mood for. So... find out for yourself. Or don't. Your choice. You're not missing much... unless you're seriously interested in Satanism or building robots. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Aug 2 2008, 01:01 PM.
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| Deleted User | Aug 2 2008, 01:21 PM Post #13 |
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I have nothing against satanism in fact the only reason i am against the ideology of Anton LeVay so much is because i followed it for quite some time. I prefer to read more ancient grimoires such as the Lesser Key of Solomon, I am very interested in mysticism but not interested in LeVayan Satanism. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Aug 2 2008, 01:38 PM Post #14 |
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I find that highly unlikely. And I kinda already figured that you're the type of person who's moved on up to something a little more high brow. Don't get me wrong. I really, really don't have anything against you. And I ideally don't want to get drawn into a debate with you over this. It's just that you're trying to play the Freemason's Card and that's the kind of thing I can't let go without it coming back to bite me in the ass. Personally, I think that it's great to have an interest in mysticism. I'm happy that you're happy to have moved on. I have a great deal of interest in mysticism. And you're right - mysticism is lacking in Satanism. Satanists, after all, build robots. As a rule of thumb, they're not interested in the occult - or at least, not interested in studying the occult. (I'm the exception that proves the rule... but that's besides the point.) Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Feb 16 2009, 02:50 PM.
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| Porcu | Aug 2 2008, 01:53 PM Post #15 |
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."
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I'll definitely take some time and actually read some published books...Most of my current knowledge comes from their official website and other webpages :P Thanks for clearing some things up Nag, btw... Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Aug 2 2008, 01:55 PM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Aug 2 2008, 01:57 PM Post #16 |
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You're welcome. So you know, Anthrax Distributers' post above is reasonably accurate (depending on your point of view). As such, you might want to visit your local library rather than splash out like Satanism is Scientology. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Aug 2 2008, 01:59 PM.
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| Sedulius | Aug 2 2008, 04:22 PM Post #17 |
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That's exactly what I was saying. But then I went a bit off topic with the blood drops... I'm odd in the head sometimes. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Aug 2 2008, 07:04 PM Post #18 |
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Plagiarism is awesome. As is embellishing the story of one's life. |
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