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The situation in South America
Topic Started: Jul 25 2008, 04:50 PM (398 Views)
Kasnyia
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"Friends, the anti-colonialist agenda of Espanora troubles me, and it should trouble you as well, as many of the nations represented here have colonies in central and south America."

"Apart from defending our territorial integrity, which the might state of El Dejarbo is doing for us just now, we also need to do more. We know the Telosan Shipping Empire has given its support to Tavares. We also know that Telosan holds a trade outpost here in Europe."

"As such, it is the opinion of my superiors, Prime Minister Karschburg and Her Imperial Majesty the Dowager Empress, that we need to make a strike against this trade colony to show that the Treaty and her member states are not to be crossed."

- Erich Kolfuss, Ambassador to ToK
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Quaon
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The removal of Teleson from Europe is acceptable to my government. However, we cannot promise military aid in the South American theater.

Andrian Chichagov
Ambassador to the Treaty of Konigsberg for Quaon

OOC: The new ambassador.
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Kasnyia
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"Oh I would think not, especially as Quaon does not have a South American colony. Removing Telosan from Europe would, however, be a fitting contribution. Kasnyia will send one of her superbattleships to assist in the eviction."

- Erich Kolfuss
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Menhad
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The Menhadien Fleets are ready, these scum need to be removed from Europe...
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Iain Wallace
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Comrade Queen
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Yshurak finds Kasnyia's concerns misplaced. Marcelo Tavares has assured my government that he is merely liberating a neighboring land from foreign oppression and bringing to them a better way of life, communism. The concerns of South America are not the concerns of Europe. I see no reason to get involved.

I suggest this council become more concerned with more pressing business, like discussing non-aggression treaties with the other alliances forming in our continent.

Sidroy Frowdivich
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Quaon
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Espanora is attacking a Russian territory under the authority of the Tsar Paul II. The Russians are not "oppressing" anyone.

Andrian Chichagov
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Rhadamanthus
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"Well Tsar Paul never withdrew himself from this league, did he? It would seem we are already bound in this matter."
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Quaon
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Romanus Diogenes
Jul 25 2008, 11:31 PM
"Well Tsar Paul never withdrew himself from this league, did he? It would seem we are already bound in this matter."
That is correct. The traitor Yusupov had no legal authority to withdraw from the Treaty of Konigsberg, but the rightful Russian Empire-in-exile is of course still a member.

Andrian Chichagov
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Toussaint
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Austria-Wurttemberg shall not act on this.

By being unseated from his position as Tsar of Russia, and being demoted to "Tsar-of-Russia-not-actually-ruling-over-any-Russian-lands-but-instead-simply-governing-a-colony," Paul is no longer a member of this pact.

The ToK need only concern itself with the concerns of Europe. The Russian Empire of Paul is now an American state. We need not forget this. Unless the territorial integrity of an actual European member is breached, we can not allow ourselves to get involved. Focusing on the world abroad will destroy this pact and what it stands for.
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Comrade Queen
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I fully concur with my counterpart from Austria-Wurttemberg. Tsar Paul is no longer a legitimate ruler of Russian lands. I was under the assumption that the Treaty of Konigsberg was a European alliance that concerned itself with European matters. If we stretch our hands to South America, we will overextend ourselves to where we are not wanted.

What? Are we to suddenly police the world? Why don't we just put the world in a bottle while we're at it? There's no legitimate reason to become involved.

Sidroy Frowdivich
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Kasnyia
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"Though I agree with you about Tsar Paul, he has provided much to this Treaty, and for his fate to be left to chance so ignomiously is no fair way to repay him."

"Alas, if the majority still feels it is not in the ToK's interests, we will drop the issue and will blockade Telosan's trade colony on our own, reserving the right to invade if they interfere further in affairs they do not understand."
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Quaon
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Regardless of Tsar Paul's membership in this pact, Teleson's trading post was established without any respect for the influence of the Treaty. It is our duty to expel the Teleson colonists from this continent.

Andrian Chichagov
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lebowski2123
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It has always been the mission of Germany to use this noble international institution to preserve the peace and prosperity of the European Continent. In fact, such sentiment is found within our initial charter. However, we must also not allow the colonies of a member state to be completely violated.

I propose that the blockade of Teleson's European holdings continue until the nation agrees to withdraw all support from the anti-colonial forces of Espanora. In addition to this term, which Germany believes should be non-negotiable, perhaps we might demand some other concession, such as the occupation of the colony or supervision of its trade by Treaty members?

Furthermore, might I say that Germany is increasing the size of its garrison in New Andulusia, and will contribute to any armed attack on Teleson's holdings.

- Hans Grobel
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Kasnyia
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Kasnyia concurs with the German proposal and wishes to inform them that Kasnyian capital ships are already enroute to Telosan II.
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Toussaint
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This is unacceptable to Her Majesty the Empress's government. As the Quaonians put it, this is a SOUTH AMERICAN situation. Not a North American situation, not an African situation, and definitely not a European one. Putting our noses into the conflicts of the world abroad defeats the purpose of this treaty. Any "Treaty of Konigsburg" joint operation will be publicly rejected by Austria, and may result in us limiting our support of this organization.

It is clear that the goal is not to keep Europe safe, but to dominate the world. This treaty need not concern itself with such things, at the risk of losing its already dwindling support.
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lebowski2123
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This is by no means an act of aggression, but instead the taking of a defensive stance towards those parties which threaten land holdings of European nations abroad. Take note of the fact that we do not intend or wish to overextend ourselves, but instead will limit any treaty action to Euro-centric measures, such as dealing with Teleson's European colony.
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Kasnyia
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Indeed, we must be firm in the face of such action, especially those who have colonial territories in the region, such as Kasnyia and Germany, among others.
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Toussaint
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Once the Espaņorans attack a German colony, than we can talk. In the meantime, the sovereignty of no ToK colony has been breached, and acting upon speculation only would not be in our best interests.
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Comrade Queen
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Yshurak continues to concur with Austria-Wurttemberg. There is no visible threat against European interests in this South American conflict. Yshurak will not support any ToK action against Telosan or Espanora.

Sidroy Frowdivich
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