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A Judge in New Zealand is renaming somebodys child; thoughts???
Topic Started: Jul 25 2008, 08:45 AM (124 Views)
Rhadamanthus
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http://www.abajournal.com/news/new_zealand_judge_renames_girl_says_talula_does_the_hula_was_poor_choice

I'm seriously divided on this. On the one hand, I don'y like the idea of a judge interfering with something like how people name their kids. On the other hand, the fact that the parents would honestly think it is acceptable to name their child 'Talula Does the Hula from Hawaii’ strikes me as symptomatic of some far deeper wrongness. How did they people would address their child? I see two solutions here. One, the judge could shorten that name to 'Talula.' I don't know for sure, but that looks it could form a perfectly good name. On the other hand, the girl is nine years old, and i would suspect that is is old enough to have a few ideas as to what a name that would be less embarassing to her would be. That way the judge would not impose his will on the family, but could instead empower the girl to make a more sensible decision than her parents had made.
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I some US counties it's illegal to name your child Judas or Lucifer. :lol: I wonder if someone named their child that somewhere else would be forced by a local judge to change it if they moved there...
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The interests of the child ­­are more important here.
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Not only is right change name to little girl...but her parents should be jailed...the baby is not a dog or a cat.

We in Italy have a law against stupid or offensive names also if this dont save all the babies from stupd names help a lot.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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First off, the kid didn't like the name.
Secondly, the kid's lawyer told the court the girl wanted to be called "K".
Third, making the kid a ward of the state was tempory (well for now). The parents can change it back.
Forth, few more years and the kid can change her name legally anyway.
Fifth, the kid was consulted.

There are not two sides to this. Unless you count the right side and the wrong side.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 25 2008, 09:43 AM
First off, the kid didn't like the name.
Secondly, the kid's lawyer told the court the girl wanted to be called "K".
Third, making the kid a ward of the state was tempory (well for now). The parents can change it back.
Forth, few more years and the kid can change her name legally anyway.
Fifth, the kid was consulted.

There are not two sides to this. Unless you count the right side and the wrong side.
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A part of me has always believe a child should be left nameless until such time as they can make their own mind up but then another part of me believes that it's empowering to be vested with a family name that has survived the centuries.

All in all it's the kids decision IMO
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At 9 years old, I can understand that the girl wouldn't want such a name. But, at the same time she's still only 9, and this is shown by the choice 'K' for a name. My opinion? Let her way until she can make an informed, logical decision on a name change. To me, a name is just a name, but this is certainly a case where parents go too far with their choice.
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Considering that the girl didn't want the name and was consulted, the judge is pretty justified. Basing it off this one incident, I have a feeling that the parents are the sort of people who really shouldn't have children.
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Ulgania
Jul 25 2008, 01:07 PM
At 9 years old, I can understand that the girl wouldn't want such a name. But, at the same time she's still only 9, and this is shown by the choice 'K' for a name. My opinion? Let her way until she can make an informed, logical decision on a name change. To me, a name is just a name, but this is certainly a case where parents go too far with their choice.
I have someone in my university called "Kay".
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There's a difference between 'Kay' and 'K' :lol:
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Ulgania
Jul 25 2008, 01:42 PM
There's a difference between 'Kay' and 'K' :lol:
A lawyer in a court tells the jury to call the girl "K". How do you (or a reporter) know if there's an "ay" on the end?

Add to that the fact that it is not uncommon (in the UK at least) to refere to annonymous witnesses and the like by the first letter of their first name.
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Right, but that might only be a spelling issue in the article. Kay would be a perfectly legitimate name, and seems to fit the child's preference... so I vote for that. Maybe this shoulld be a poll thread.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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According to the forum - RD's post was made 27 minutes ago and mine 28. Yet I am first. Curious.

Additionally... when I made my post, RD's wasn't there. It's only just showing up for me. Seems like a glitch in the matrix.
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And yours certainly was not there for me... I was responding to Ulgania. Glitch indeed...

But I think its settled; we shall refer to this girl as Kay.
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Jul 25 2008, 02:15 PM
Right, but that might only be a spelling issue in the article. Kay would be a perfectly legitimate name, and seems to fit the child's preference... so I vote for that. Maybe this shoulld be a poll thread.
No, there is a huge difference between the child's interests and her current preferences.

At her age, she cannot understand the implications of changing her name to "K". If she was older (maybe 14), she would have been able to.
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Paradise
Jul 25 2008, 03:39 PM
Romanus Diogenes
Jul 25 2008, 02:15 PM
Right, but that might only be a spelling issue in the article. Kay would be a perfectly legitimate name, and seems to fit the child's preference... so I vote for that. Maybe this shoulld be a poll thread.
No, there is a huge difference between the child's interests and her current preferences.

At her age, she cannot understand the implications of changing her name to "K". If she was older (maybe 14), she would have been able to.
Bear in mind, the name "K" was what her lawyer said she wanted the jury to call her BEFORE the judge legally changed her name. We do not know what he changed it to.

I'm hoping it's Ivona Tinkle.
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They should let me rename the kid. I'm totally impartial here, and OBVIOUSLY normal enough to make a rational choice of name.

Who thinks Clamidia is a nice name? Show of hands please.
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Jul 25 2008, 05:25 PM
They should let me rename the kid. I'm totally impartial here, and OBVIOUSLY normal enough to make a rational choice of name.

Who thinks Clamidia is a nice name? Show of hands please.
Damn it lefty, get back down here. You to right hand!
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 26 2008, 07:16 AM
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Jul 25 2008, 05:25 PM
They should let me rename the kid. I'm totally impartial here, and OBVIOUSLY normal enough to make a rational choice of name.

Who thinks Clamidia is a nice name? Show of hands please.
Damn it lefty, get back down here. You to right hand!
I like Stinky Vagina! As a name. Don't read anything more into that. I really don't. Really.
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I found another article on this topic: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25827708/
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