Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
This forum is used with the NationStates web-game designed and run by Max Barry. While not officially affiliated, this serves as the regional forum for the regions: Middle East, African Continent, American Continent, Asian Continent, and European Continent.

You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and can "read only".

In order to get the most out of these forums, please become a member and read this guide - http://z3.invisionfree.com/nationstates/index.php?showtopic=3060


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
US Presidential Elections 2008; Poll for both Americans and non-American
Topic Started: Jul 24 2008, 03:51 PM (687 Views)
Quaon
Member Avatar
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later
Quote:
 
John McCain-The lesser of two evils. Not a communist.
What about Barack Obama's positions is communist?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Ukabanea
Member Avatar
The Resident Evil?....Mayhap?
 *  *  *  *  *
i care little for either
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sedulius
Member Avatar
Field Marshal
flumes
Jul 26 2008, 02:58 PM
John McCain-The lesser of two evils. Not a communist.

I really wish Ron Paul could win. :(

My hope is that Ron Paul's new campaign (libertarians at all level of government) will actually gain momentum enough to get one elected in 4 years... McCain will do less long term damage to the economy then Barrack will.

What I think is pretty funny is that I actually think leaving Iraq now would be a mistake... Yet I want a guy elected who wants out, Ron Paul. Shows how much I want changes to the Demoplublican's economic policies...
I'm basically communist and I'm voting for McCain.

All the people who call themselves communist and are voting for Obama are just stupid. They really think he'll advance anything for them? Ha! I mean, come on! Nobody cares about Communist Party USA.

Now when I say I'm communist, I mean in spirit. Imperialist Moderate Socialist is what I technically am. Also, technically pure Christianity is true communism. Early Christians redistributed wealth and other goods via the churches. Communism is derived from community, hence a communist should act in the best interests of his or her community.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
East Anarx
Member Avatar
Anarchitect

None of the above. No surprise there.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
lebowski2123
Member Avatar
Resident?
Esternarx
Jul 26 2008, 07:09 PM
None of the above. No surprise there.
Understatement of the century.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Anti
Member Avatar
Ex Mac Elitist
 *  *  *  *  *
New Harumf
Jul 26 2008, 10:34 AM
Hispania
Jul 26 2008, 09:22 AM
Bob Barr.... running for the Libertarian Party...
Bob Barr may be running as the Libertarian candidate but they could not have picked a less libertarian person. He's still a religious bigot, anti-drugs, anti-gays and a hate-filled person. I would vote for Joe Stalin before I voted for Bob Barr! I would vote for Vladimer Lennin before I voted for Bob Barr. I would vote for John Lennon before I voted for Bob Barr!!!!
I'd vote for John Lennon no matter what.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Rhadamanthus
Member Avatar
Legitimist

Anticitizen
Jul 27 2008, 02:26 AM
New Harumf
Jul 26 2008, 10:34 AM
Hispania
Jul 26 2008, 09:22 AM
Bob Barr.... running for the Libertarian Party...
Bob Barr may be running as the Libertarian candidate but they could not have picked a less libertarian person. He's still a religious bigot, anti-drugs, anti-gays and a hate-filled person. I would vote for Joe Stalin before I voted for Bob Barr! I would vote for Vladimer Lennin before I voted for Bob Barr. I would vote for John Lennon before I voted for Bob Barr!!!!
I'd vote for John Lennon no matter what.
I wouldn't.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Ulgania
Member Avatar
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse
New Harumf
Jul 26 2008, 02:57 PM
Ulgania
Jul 26 2008, 12:44 PM
The president can make moves that indirectly influence things, but executive economic authority lies in the Federal Reserve. The only thing that's worth listening to is foreign policy. Pretty much everything else Obama and McCain talk about would demand an act of congress.
Why do you appear to be the only person in the country that understands this?? I have been saying this for years, and everyone just keeps blaming Bush for everything domestic. So, when is Congress going to get off it's fat collective ass and do something?
When it's brutally important, yeah, they'll work on legislation more efficiently.

However, they have this tendency to split off in 500 different directions in terms of opinions at times because each of their constituencies might scream for blood and elect someone different if they make a decision that doesn't directly benefit that constituency.

That's why I'm glad my state (Vermont) only has one representative in the house. The entire state is a constituency, so even though no matter what someone will be pissed the state's voice is getting in, instead of just one small group.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
New Harumf
Member Avatar
Bloodthirsty Unicorn
Ulgania
Jul 27 2008, 11:33 AM
New Harumf
Jul 26 2008, 02:57 PM
Ulgania
Jul 26 2008, 12:44 PM
The president can make moves that indirectly influence things, but executive economic authority lies in the Federal Reserve. The only thing that's worth listening to is foreign policy. Pretty much everything else Obama and McCain talk about would demand an act of congress.
Why do you appear to be the only person in the country that understands this?? I have been saying this for years, and everyone just keeps blaming Bush for everything domestic. So, when is Congress going to get off it's fat collective ass and do something?
When it's brutally important, yeah, they'll work on legislation more efficiently.

However, they have this tendency to split off in 500 different directions in terms of opinions at times because each of their constituencies might scream for blood and elect someone different if they make a decision that doesn't directly benefit that constituency.

That's why I'm glad my state (Vermont) only has one representative in the house. The entire state is a constituency, so even though no matter what someone will be pissed the state's voice is getting in, instead of just one small group.
Yeah, but your congressman is nuts! Mine is just senile (Dingle).
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
I think I would have to go for Obama. But I wanted Hilary to be honest.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
New Harumf
Member Avatar
Bloodthirsty Unicorn
Catholic Europe
Jul 28 2008, 02:21 PM
I think I would have to go for Obama. But I wanted Hilary to be honest.
If you want Hillary that bad, CE, then by all means, take her! I don't even think Bubba would mind that much!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Edited by New Harumf, Jul 28 2008, 02:50 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Quaon
Member Avatar
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later
Catholic Europe
Jul 28 2008, 02:21 PM
I think I would have to go for Obama. But I wanted Hilary to be honest.
This.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tristan da Cunha
Member Avatar
Science and Industry
flumes
Jul 26 2008, 02:59 PM
Right on with the Federal Reserve... The weak $ is our problem.
Little publicized fact: All 5 out of 5 members of the Federal Reserve Board are Jews.

Another fact: All 12 out of 12 members of the USA Olympic Men's Basketball Team are black.

"Uncanny!" (<---I should make this into a TV show)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
New Harumf
Member Avatar
Bloodthirsty Unicorn
Tristan da Cunha
Jul 29 2008, 11:06 PM
flumes
Jul 26 2008, 02:59 PM
Right on with the Federal Reserve... The weak $ is our problem.
Little publicized fact: All 5 out of 5 members of the Federal Reserve Board are Jews.

Another fact: All 12 out of 12 members of the USA Olympic Men's Basketball Team are black.

"Uncanny!" (<---I should make this into a TV show)
That's because only black people know how to play basketball, and only jews know anything about money!

Jeesh, don't you know anything??
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Porcu
Member Avatar
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

New Harumf
Jul 30 2008, 08:43 AM
Tristan da Cunha
Jul 29 2008, 11:06 PM
flumes
Jul 26 2008, 02:59 PM
Right on with the Federal Reserve... The weak $ is our problem.
Little publicized fact: All 5 out of 5 members of the Federal Reserve Board are Jews.

Another fact: All 12 out of 12 members of the USA Olympic Men's Basketball Team are black.

"Uncanny!" (<---I should make this into a TV show)
That's because only black people know how to play basketball, and only jews know anything about money!

Jeesh, don't you know anything??
:lol:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
flumes
Member Avatar
CLEVELAND ROCKS!
Tristan da Cunha
Jul 29 2008, 11:06 PM
flumes
Jul 26 2008, 02:59 PM
Right on with the Federal Reserve... The weak $ is our problem.
Little publicized fact: All 5 out of 5 members of the Federal Reserve Board are Jews.

Another fact: All 12 out of 12 members of the USA Olympic Men's Basketball Team are black.

"Uncanny!" (<---I should make this into a TV show)
:lol:

The US not rolling the world in basketball is another beef of mine... But for another time..... Grrr if I coached that team no one would come within 50 points... Look for me to be a coach on the college sidelines one day... ^^


Now as for Barack being a communist, my mistake. True communist isn't the correct term (although he has way to many socialist policies for me). My bad there, it's honestly become a slang term for me, I forget that not everyone hears me use it everyday in that context...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
lebowski2123
Member Avatar
Resident?
My favorite Barackism is when he says he "is not an advocate of large government" and then goes on to talk about government intervention in the mortgage "crisis", healthcare industry, and insurance industry.

Still, I'm tempted to make shirts which have his picture and say "Barack-Attack".

As for basketball, look for them to crush all comers this year. The team has been together for 3 years (as opposed to the 3 weeks they used to get) and Coach K has his reputation on the line, so he's not going to be dicking around (if that's the politically correct term).
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
The CNNP
Member Avatar
Enforcer
The 2008 Presidential Campaign has been riddled with rhetoric that leaves the American people which presumably one choice. That is to remain with the "status quo" in John McCain or to vote for "change" under Barack Obama. The false left-right paradigm that has plagued U.S. politics for decades leaves the American people with little choice at all. We've allowed our representatives to lead the Citizens of this country to a fork in the proverbial road where both paths lead to tyranny. Is "status quo" or "change" really good for the American people?

STATUS QUO

John McCain is the republican nominee for President, and under his leadership, the American people are promised at least one thing. WAR. John McCain has made no secret of the fact that American troops will be stationed in Iraq for a very long time if he has anything to do with it. He has supported this illegal and unconstitutional police action from the very start. McCain was one of the main forces behind the "troop surge" which effectively lowered the amount of violence in Iraq long enough for McCain to grandstand and secure the nomination, and then the violence picked right back up. McCain has also made no secrets about his wishes to eliminate Iran as a threat.
Even though the CIA itself stated that Iran is almost a decade away from even being able to have a nuclear bomb based on assessments made more than two years ago, and another intellegence report indicated that Iran's nuclear program was halted all together in 2003, McCain and the neo-conservatives seem still bent on military action whether by us or Israel before the November elections. If they can't get their military attack, a financial attack would serve them as well. McCain also sponsored a bill over a year ago which would have allowed for amnesty to illegal immigrants. They would have been provided full health care by the U.S. government under the plan McCain was backing. Now, McCain says he wants a border fence which the neo-cons got permission to build over a year ago but have done nothing about. The neo-con policy of leaving the borders unprotected totally discredits the War on Terror since anyone who wants can cross the border on both sides with little or no flack from helpless border patrol agents. McCain has also bought into the justification for government intervention in our lives based upon the "manmade" global warming theories. No one is debating that the Earth is going through a cyclical weather change, but McCain's and the internationalists' taxation plans based upon ram-rodded junk science through UNESCO promises us bigger government and more international control over American commerce and the people.

CHANGE

Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for President. He has promised "change" in Washington from day one. But he and his fellow Democrats did the same thing in 2004 when they won the Senate and House based upon promises of change. However, the Democrats have done nothing they were mandated to do when the entered office, the main one being our exit from the Iraq war. Nancy Pelosi took over as Speaker of the House, and she has refused on all fronts any attempts to hold the Bush administration accountable for its crimes dealing with lies leading up to the Iraq war, 9/11, Katrina and the despotic police state legislation it rammed through Congress after 9/11. So what has Obama promised us? Well, we know that we will continue our presence in Iraq under Obama's leadership. We know that he feels the same as the neo-cons on Iran and has personally called out the nation of Pakistan as a potential target for military action as part of the failed War on Terror. Obama has not once promised the repealing of the USA Patriot Act or Patriot Act II which both violate each amendment in the Bill of Rights. He has not addressed the horrible REAL ID Act which establishes a National ID card for American Citizens. He has promoted the same global carbon tax that the neo-cons and McCain support in the phony war on global warming.
He has promised Universal Health Care for all Americans. As nice as it sounds, this cannot be done under our present economy. We will see an economic crash of unprecedented proportions before we ever see something like a Universal Health Care system in America.

ECONOMICS

Politicians talk a good talk when it comes to economics...wait a minute, no they don't. There are very few political figures who even understand our economic system. Most just feed off it like parasites. There are members of the House Banking Committee who don't even know that our currency is backed by nothing.
McCain's pork barrel political buzz words have nothing to do with what is the matter with the American economy.

REAL CHANGE

For the past 100 years, American politicians have been doing their level best to undermine the Constitution and the rule of law in this country. So, in order to get this country back on track, we don't need radical change like Obama promises, or the horrible status quo McCain will hold us to. We need to take a step back and look at the nation's history and find out where we went wrong. There was a time in this country when people could go see their doctor and get the proper health care they needed without the problems we see today. We were told by our founding fathers that if we allowed banks to control the issuance of our money, then the banks and the "corporations" that grow up around them will deprive the people of the lands their fathers fought to conquer. (paraphrase of Thomas Jefferson quote). Today, we have in this country, not only a military industrial complex but a medical industrial complex as well. Corporations fronted by the big banks have run the American debt beyond repair. I challenge everyone to research what went on in American politics in December 1913 and find out what those actions taken by the Congress meant to this country and the impact they have on us today.

Well, I am going to make this my final rant on the subject...what will happen will happen.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
East Anarx
Member Avatar
Anarchitect

Preach it, brotha! :thumbup:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Comrade Queen
Member Avatar
Comrade Bitchqueen
:pope: Testify.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
New Harumf
Member Avatar
Bloodthirsty Unicorn
Right on, bro :love:

But....it's not just 1913. It's 1933-38 (The New Deal). It's 1964-66 (The Great Society). It's 1969-72 (Nixon "Economics", the death of the metal standard). It's loosing sight of what happened 1981-85 (Reganomics). The Federal Reserve System has been a plague on us, followed by the build of the "welfare state" slowly but relentlessly making us dependent on a Federal system. Paraphrasing Pogo, "I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us."
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
The CNNP
Member Avatar
Enforcer
New Harumf
Aug 9 2008, 09:06 AM
Right on, bro :love:

But....it's not just 1913. It's 1933-38 (The New Deal). It's 1964-66 (The Great Society). It's 1969-72 (Nixon "Economics", the death of the metal standard). It's loosing sight of what happened 1981-85 (Reganomics). The Federal Reserve System has been a plague on us, followed by the build of the "welfare state" slowly but relentlessly making us dependent on a Federal system. Paraphrasing Pogo, "I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us."
True, but the welfare state was set up by our private banking system. Think about it, the Fed loans out money to Congress to bankroll these programs (and others). Who profits when this country cannot balance the budget...the Fed.

You are right, but those are the side effects of what happened in 1913.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Free Forums with no limits on posts or members.
« Previous Topic · Off-Topic · Next Topic »
Add Reply