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| US Presidential Elections 2008; Poll for both Americans and non-American | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 24 2008, 03:51 PM (688 Views) | |
| Great New France | Jul 24 2008, 03:51 PM Post #1 |
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As a non-American (Frenchman) but who has always been nonetheless interested and intrigued by American politics and affairs in general, I wondered how people here in the forum felt in the way the US Presidential Elections 2008 went. Two candidates will compete until Election Day, that is Tuesday, November 4, 2008: -Barack Hussein OBAMA for the Democratic Party -John Sidney MCCAIN for the Republican Party Well, our American friends can guess that most people in Europe are more in favour of Obama currently. I'm traditionally social-democratic, centre-left so obviously more inclined to support Obama albeit I had doubts at some point. I wouldn't like to say I would have preferred Hillary Clinton instead of him as the candidate for the Democratic Party but I sometimes question his experience. I might be wrong. In any case, this is going to be a fascinating election and a decisive one for the future not only of the United States of America but the world at large. Whoever wins, I hope it won't unleash the disaster George W. BUSH caused in 8 years of a terrible mess. |
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| Porcu | Jul 24 2008, 04:31 PM Post #2 |
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."
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As a US citizen of voting age I will be exercising my right to vote and have no doubt that McCain is the lesser of two evils this election cycle...However, I will not be upset if Obama wins for this world seems so messed up that one man will not change jack and chances are that Obama will look as much like a fool as Bush or other world leaders...He is not the messiah people :P |
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| Paradise | Jul 24 2008, 04:54 PM Post #3 |
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I'd support Obama. The Republicans should not be trusted for their economic policies, as Bush proved during his office. |
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| Union | Jul 24 2008, 05:13 PM Post #4 |
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I'm voting Obama. |
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| lebowski2123 | Jul 24 2008, 05:21 PM Post #5 |
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McCain, the lesser evil. Bush operates on an economic system which makes true conservatives such as myself feel sick, but the prospect of increased government budgets as a result of healthcare involvement makes me even more sick. |
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| Comrade Queen | Jul 24 2008, 06:09 PM Post #6 |
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None of the Above. There's no point in supporting either Lucifer or Beelzebub. They'll fuck you over either way. |
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| New Harumf | Jul 24 2008, 06:11 PM Post #7 |
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The Navy guy, for obvious reasons. |
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| Menhad | Jul 24 2008, 07:11 PM Post #8 |
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:rolleyes: I wish I could vote... So close |
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| The CNNP | Jul 24 2008, 10:13 PM Post #9 |
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I will simply write in Ron Paul's name and be done with it; therefore when the proverbial stuff hits the fan I have a right to complain because yes I did vote and no I refuse to accept the lesser of the 2 evils and Scy hit this one on the money...decisions, decisions! :nono: |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jul 24 2008, 10:19 PM Post #10 |
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I chose neither. Obama is too charismatic a man for me to feel comfortable with. It whispers of secret dangers. And as for McCain? I'm not ready to join that suicide pact. |
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| Great New France | Jul 25 2008, 02:05 AM Post #11 |
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I agree wholeheartedly. Nor should they be trusted for the conduct of foreign policy. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 25 2008, 03:01 AM Post #12 |
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Heh. The impression I get from the US media is that this is a close run race - right to the wire. The European news is already praising Obama for his landslide victory. I love the fact that if you're not voting for the demopublicans then you're not voting. Now... Obama is the devil. But so was Bill Clinton. I think he's the best candidate of the two presented. That said, unlike the Bush-Kerry election, I would not mind if McCaine got elected. He seems like a solid candidate. |
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| Anti | Jul 26 2008, 12:06 AM Post #13 |
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Going with Obama. I dislike the republicans. What can I say. But if there were a Libertarian candidate in the running, I'd totally be supporting them. |
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| Union | Jul 26 2008, 01:04 AM Post #14 |
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There... is... |
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| Anti | Jul 26 2008, 01:59 AM Post #15 |
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Who is it? I obviously haven't done my research. >.< |
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| Union | Jul 26 2008, 09:22 AM Post #16 |
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Bob Barr.... running for the Libertarian Party... |
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| New Harumf | Jul 26 2008, 10:34 AM Post #17 |
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Bob Barr may be running as the Libertarian candidate but they could not have picked a less libertarian person. He's still a religious bigot, anti-drugs, anti-gays and a hate-filled person. I would vote for Joe Stalin before I voted for Bob Barr! I would vote for Vladimer Lennin before I voted for Bob Barr. I would vote for John Lennon before I voted for Bob Barr!!!! |
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| Ulgania | Jul 26 2008, 10:51 AM Post #18 |
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Obama + his campaign staff are maters of PR, and if he is elected the world could quite possibly have a very different view of the USA. I mean, seriously, he drew a crowd of 200,000 in Germany. That's a PR manager's dream come true! Still, I'm getting a little tired of his gimmick, that being the way he just acts like he's already elected/the clear winner. Sure, it worked against Clinton, but I really doubt it'll be that much of a advantage against McCain (in the States at least). The thing with me though is that considering I'm a political science major, I've been following the campaigns a lot more closely than most of the general public has, and I've been waiting for both candidates to give a stance on the whole subprime mortgage mess. Considering there are two institutions in the USA that are weird public/private hybrids that are able to lend at their discretion and both managed to get trillions in debt because they gave bad terms to unstable clients I'm really hoping that both candidates handle this well. Bush took the situation out of the government's control and is letting capitalism work it out (knowing full well that there would be ups and downs), but shit, this unbridled capitalism is screwing over so many people that the government really needs to be able to intervene. I know McCain is for higher regulation, but I don't know how much Obama's for it... but that's probably one of my biggest concerns. Also I think the trade deficit needs attention, as well as the African market. Eh. This race isn't really all that cut and dry. It's a lot more fun to follow than the previous races that I've been mature enough to pay attention to. Oh yeah, and since Edwards isn't in the race anymore I'm voting Obama. In my mind, Edwards > Clinton > Obama > McCain > Julianni > Poop > Ron Paul |
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| Sedulius | Jul 26 2008, 11:03 AM Post #19 |
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Who has been studying McCain since he started his campaign? I mean come on! Give him a chance, research him. Get both sides of the story. The truth is he's a good guy, he knows what he's doing with Iraq as well as reforms at home. The man is a moderate, which is what we need right now. Sure he says he's conservative, sure he says he supports certain Bush policies, but he's lying through his teeth. You can tell, he really sucks at lying. I'm a moderate through and through, though a bit socialist in social and economic policy. I'm voting McCain. I have nothing good to say about Obama. All he does is say he will change things, while presenting no true plan. He has gotten this far on charisma alone. Thus all the stupid liberal college students blindly love him. I see it as my duty to vote for McCain to balance their ignorance. As far as Iraq goes, things are finally stabilizing. If we pull out, we're leaving them to the dogs. We made the mess, it is our job to clean it up, damn it! And I will willingly serve my part in doing so. |
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| New Harumf | Jul 26 2008, 11:06 AM Post #20 |
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Well, Adolf Hitler drew crowds of 100's of thousands of Germans. What does that prove? I could give a flying turd what Europe thinks of us - matter of fact, the less they think of us, the better we must be doing. They want us to become just another vassel state of their global world view, the less powerful we are economically and militarily, the better, in the minds of Europe. Screw that! I want to know what the candidates are going to do to shore up the Dollar; what good they think government intervention in the mortgage market is going to do; how we are going to move toward energy independence without bankrupting the country; how they are going to LIMIT the intervention of the Federal government in our lives; how we are going to reach state solvency for the 1/3 of US states that verge on financial ruin; how they are going to stop illegal imigration into the US; how they will continue to protect us from terror attacks; how they plan on saving Social Security (or give me my money back); how they will avoid Isreal starting a war in the middle east. No one is addressing ANY of these issues with any realistic plans - all I hear is vague ideas, especially from Mister Change. Plus, everyone, trust me on this, I know of what I speak - Obama is a polititian from the South Side of Chicago. I grew up on the South Side of Chicago. There is not, and never has been, an honest polititian from the South Side of Chicago. That is a fact - from Big Bill Thompson in the time of Al Capone, to the many that have jail terms still today. He has to be corrupt. Edited by New Harumf, Jul 26 2008, 11:08 AM.
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| Porcu | Jul 26 2008, 11:28 AM Post #21 |
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Kudos to NH...You know I lot of people I've been talking to are comparing Obama to Kennedy but that's pretty much the only think they can tell me about the two and its on such a superficial level: charisma. Also when I went to Italy and caught up with uncles and nephews I hadn't seen for years the only thing they cared about was what I thought about Obama. "Isn't he great?!" they'd ask. "Oh yea!" I'd respond and before I told them what I really thought about Mr. Change I asked them why they thought he was so great. Not one person could give me a clear, legitimate answer to why they supported him. Most of the time it revolved around, "Well, Bush is Republican" or "Well, he's black and its about time Americans were fair..." Back to Obama v. Kennedy, I would like to point out that Kennedy cheated on his wife and didn't get tough with the Soviets until the last possible moment...In fact, there was a conference that Kennedy went to in order to meet Khrushchev and I'd be willing to bet my college savings that Kennedy got his ass handed to him by Khrushchev who figured that Kennedy would be a pushover. Thank God he figured wrong, although it was a really close call... All in all, I'd base myself as a moderate...Social liberal but economically conservative/libertarian and frankly McCain is the closest thing there is for me... |
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| Ulgania | Jul 26 2008, 12:44 PM Post #22 |
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NH, addressing the failing US dollar is very complicated. The massive trade deficit I mentioned earlier has a lot to do with it. Between oil and the travesty free trade with China has created we're losing capitol at an extreme rate. With American wealth just floating away like that, what do you expect? No American politician wants to mess with China. McCain, Obama, Bush, nobody. Imagine what would happen the economy if the Chinese did decide to demand a return on the $900 billion USD bonds they have? I really think the situation at hand calls for the candidates to address the ethanol fiasco. You can pretty much point the finger at ethanol for screwing up food prices right now. Get rid of the damn subsidies on corn, and let supply and demand fix the food prices. Really, ethanol was a bad idea... and only good to fight for politically. It made it look like the White House gave a shit. Also, in terms of Europe it's better to be popular with them than unpopular. Considering the lower value of the USD versus the Euro, American exports are increasing a LOT towards Europe, which is seriously helping out the economy right now. The EU, if it can keep its act together is capable of outspending the USA, but considering it's way too diverse culturally that will never happen. Considering Spain is in a recession right now, and more and more countries are getting close to the Spanish situation right now they're going to want a favorable American government. The EU and the USA have to coexist. Also, Obama isn't German. Remember that one ;) Besides, if you want realistic plans, or anything concrete, you're not going to get anything worthwhile. Ever. This is an election for the top spot of the American government. Obama and McCain are going to play to as many people as they can, make inroads where they can, and say whatever they can to get support and money from anyone. The White House doesn't even have that much pull on the economy anyway. The president can make moves that indirectly influence things, but executive economic authority lies in the Federal Reserve. The only thing that's worth listening to is foreign policy. Pretty much everything else Obama and McCain talk about would demand an act of congress. |
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| New Harumf | Jul 26 2008, 02:57 PM Post #23 |
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Why do you appear to be the only person in the country that understands this?? I have been saying this for years, and everyone just keeps blaming Bush for everything domestic. So, when is Congress going to get off it's fat collective ass and do something? |
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| flumes | Jul 26 2008, 02:58 PM Post #24 |
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John McCain-The lesser of two evils. Not a communist. I really wish Ron Paul could win. :( My hope is that Ron Paul's new campaign (libertarians at all level of government) will actually gain momentum enough to get one elected in 4 years... McCain will do less long term damage to the economy then Barrack will. What I think is pretty funny is that I actually think leaving Iraq now would be a mistake... Yet I want a guy elected who wants out, Ron Paul. Shows how much I want changes to the Demoplublican's economic policies... |
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| flumes | Jul 26 2008, 02:59 PM Post #25 |
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Right on with the Federal Reserve... The weak $ is our problem. |
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