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The Dark Knight *potential spoiler alerts*; holyshitawesome
Topic Started: Jul 19 2008, 01:08 PM (444 Views)
Rhadamanthus
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Ulgania
Jul 26 2008, 10:48 PM
Eh. She played the part well enough. All the same the character took her proper place in the plot, so I'm not complaining.
I didn't really mean to complain either. There were only two or three parts where I felt like she wasn't quite the same character. But I just wanted an excuse to take a potshot at Tom Cruise :shy:
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Tristan da Cunha
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Fuck Tom Cruise.
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Female lead: I liked her better in that other big thing she did. I forget what it was and don't want to IMDB her. She's a lot better looking than Captian McFugly (Kirstun Dunst).

Ledger: My god. Wow. Better than BBM. And that's saying something. The Joker made the film. Wow. Good script. Better acting. They're kinda screwed themselves for the next film, because no-one is going to top that unless Carrey reprises his role as the Riddler. Which isn't going to happen. And even then... good luck beating Ledger. At the end of the film I couldn't even remember Jack Nicholson's name. Hell, I couldn't even remember that Hamil lent his voice to the animated character. And I loved the animated character. Heath Ledger is now the Joker.

Two Face: Goddamn it! I realise that no-one is going to play the role like Tommy Lee Jones... but goddamn it! He needed a bigger role! Bigger! BIGGER!

The film: Too long. Dull in parts. This film could have easily been two movies (giving more screen time to Two Face). Heath Joker has become the face of Anonymous for a reason - I just wanted to burn things and watch V after the movie - but the constant Joygasms from the Joker was the only thing keeping me awake. Bear in mind I hate DC with a passion and think Batman is the lamest Hero ever invented (I only watch/read Batman for the bad guys) and that I didn't see the first film, but Bale gave me nothing. He's "ok" looking... but his screen time was tolerable time away from the Joker at best and cringe worthy for most of the time he spent in the batsuit putting on that rediculous voice. Michael Caine was perfect. But Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox? Really? Has Freeman squandered his retirement fund or something? As an actor... Morgan Freeman's skills are consumate. He's... a real pleasure to watch on screen. But he's been taking some really shitty roles recently. And playing a fully clued in Lucius Fox? I would have walked out were it not for the Joker asking "why so serious?" It made no sense and was an insult to Freeman's abilities as an actor. The plot was not believable, but it was sad enough to catch my attention and full of explosions to keep it. Not enough Two Face. I gotta have more Two Face. Guess what? I got a fever. And the only perscription? Is more Two Face.

All in all... a solid 7/10. Better than Kung-Fu Panda. Better than Mamma Mia. Much, much better than Wanted. Better than the new Jones.

But better than Iron Man? Better than Forgetting Sarah Marshall? I don't think so.

Iron Man remains > Batman.

If there was some way to make a Marvel-DC crossover that didn't suck (and to raise Ledger from the dead) then perhaps headway could be made in entertainment.

But so far... 2008 has made a lot of good films but as of yet, no great films (I have yet to see Wall-e).

Batman has given the world an iconic villian. Ledger has taken the Joker and put him at number one of my top ten villians of all time.

But the film as a whole was nothing special.

And deep down inside, you know I'm right.

But hey...

Why so serious?
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Tristan da Cunha
Jul 29 2008, 11:23 PM
Fuck Tom Cruise.
Now that sirs, that is a potshot

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No... that was a headshot there.
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A headshot which killed the pot on impact no doubt :clown:
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lebowski2123
Jul 30 2008, 08:24 PM
A headshot which killed the pot on impact no doubt :clown:
And the pot deserved it....

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Who else is disappointed that the new Batman movies do not prominently feature the iconic 1989 theme composed by Danny Elfman?

WAS IT REALLY SO DIFFICULT FOR THE PRODUCERS TO NOT GET RID OF THAT AWESOME THEME???!!
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jul 30 2008, 09:50 PM.
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Jul 30 2008, 09:35 PM
Who else is disappointed that the new Batman movies do not prominently feature the iconic 1989 theme composed by Danny Elfman?

WAS IT REALLY SO DIFFICULT FOR THE PRODUCERS TO NOT GET RID OF THAT AWESOME THEME???!!
I'm pretty sympathetic to that decision actually. Don't get me wrong, that is a great theme and I love Danny Elfman (and Tim Burton for that matter!), but I don't think using it would have been very appropriate. Elfman composed that for Tim Burton's movie, or in another way, for a Tim Burton movie. The sound and atmosphere of that song scream Tim Burton to me. And the Elfman-Burton style would not have matched the style of the new series.

Now I loved Burton's movies but did not like Schumaker's (sp?). But they were still one series, and the whole idea of the new series was to start from scratch, a new series. So Elfman's theme could not be there for the same reason that Nicholson could not reprise the role of the Joker, because I don't think a new series can stand on its own feet if it depends on the iconic elements of the old series. In a sense, this is Batman for the 2000s and that was Batman for the 90s (give or take a year or two always....). But I don't think the theme would have captured this newer movie.
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I loved that scene :D
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 30 2008, 07:16 PM
Better than Kung-Fu Panda.
*drives by and shouts in a british accent*

I disagree!
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Aug 1 2008, 01:09 AM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 30 2008, 07:16 PM
Better than Kung-Fu Panda.
*drives by and shouts in a british accent*

I disagree!
I love that episode of family guy. Reminds me of this video.
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Aug 1 2008, 06:17 AM.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Aug 1 2008, 06:16 AM
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Aug 1 2008, 01:09 AM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 30 2008, 07:16 PM
Better than Kung-Fu Panda.
*drives by and shouts in a british accent*

I disagree!
I love that episode of family guy. Reminds me of this video.
Oh, shit. Really poor.
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Aug 1 2008, 08:22 AM
Nag Ehgoeg
Aug 1 2008, 06:16 AM
Esternarx
Aug 1 2008, 01:09 AM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 30 2008, 07:16 PM
Better than Kung-Fu Panda.
*drives by and shouts in a british accent*

I disagree!
I love that episode of family guy. Reminds me of this video.
Oh, shit. Really poor.
I believe that whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you... stranger.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Damn...I got rickrolled :P
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I have Flashblock, (thanks Firefox,) and so am immune to rickrolling. Nice try, though.
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Jul 31 2008, 08:33 AM
Tristan da Cunha
Jul 30 2008, 09:35 PM
Who else is disappointed that the new Batman movies do not prominently feature the iconic 1989 theme composed by Danny Elfman?

WAS IT REALLY SO DIFFICULT FOR THE PRODUCERS TO NOT GET RID OF THAT AWESOME THEME???!!
I'm pretty sympathetic to that decision actually. Don't get me wrong, that is a great theme and I love Danny Elfman (and Tim Burton for that matter!), but I don't think using it would have been very appropriate. Elfman composed that for Tim Burton's movie, or in another way, for a Tim Burton movie. The sound and atmosphere of that song scream Tim Burton to me. And the Elfman-Burton style would not have matched the style of the new series.

Now I loved Burton's movies but did not like Schumaker's (sp?). But they were still one series, and the whole idea of the new series was to start from scratch, a new series. So Elfman's theme could not be there for the same reason that Nicholson could not reprise the role of the Joker, because I don't think a new series can stand on its own feet if it depends on the iconic elements of the old series. In a sense, this is Batman for the 2000s and that was Batman for the 90s (give or take a year or two always....). But I don't think the theme would have captured this newer movie.
There is reason to your comments. For me personally, the Elfman theme is entertwined with the concept of Batman, rather than Tim Burton's Batman in particular. I think this very much has to do with my age more than anything else as I was introduced to the Batman franchise at an impressionable age, at the time of Batman Returns and the Fox Animated Series. Finally I would say I can never associate the Copeland-esque symphonic style of the Elfman theme with Tim Burton's own creative energies per se. I think Elfman's work was not supplementary, but rather complementary and independent to Burton's achievements in regards to Batman. Something along the lines of a Gilbert & Sullivan musical on the other hand, screams Tim Burton to me.
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Aug 1 2008, 07:52 PM
Finally I would say I can never associate the Copeland-esque symphonic style of the Elfman theme with Tim Burton's own creative energies per se. I think Elfman's work was not supplementary, but rather complementary and independent to Burton's achievements in regards to Batman. Something along the lines of a Gilbert & Sullivan musical on the other hand, screams Tim Burton to me.
I don't think this contradicts how I feel. I think what you said here is what I was trying to suggest with the term "Elfman-Burton" style. This might sound weird, but for me, Burton's movie looks like Elfman's composition, and Elfman's composition sounds like Burton's movie. Each calls to mind the other to me; they are so intrinsically linked that I cannot separate them conceptually.
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This is very interesting. In my mind Elfman's theme is more naturally fitted to the Animated Series and its 1930s asthetic. To me Elfman's theme stylistically differs from Tim Burton's work - in my mind the brass-heavy Elfman theme is very sleek and "noir", and significantly different from the baroque and "macabre" feel associated with the rest of Tim Burton's body of work and even different from the shapes and colors of Tim Burton's Batman movies. It's as if the Elfman composition had been the established Batman theme ever since FDR, and Tim Burton chose to use Elfman's music simply because that was what any Batman director would have done :lol:
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Aug 1 2008, 08:15 PM.
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Interestingly the words you chose to describe Tim Burton's work are the ones that feel right to me for Elfman's theme. I suspect that there is a symbiosis in my perception of these works. The theme brings out subtleties in the movie for me, and guides my emotional response to the movie as a whole. And in the same way, the movie fills out and colors the theme. I'm listening to it as I type this, and this discussion has got me thinking more than I have about the way I percieve things.
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I think there is definitely a massive compatibility between the Elfman music and the Burton film. I see it this way: the "noir" Elfman music and the "macabre" Burton cinematography are like "two shades of black". Though these two shades of black might be different on several levels of consideration, they coincided in the year 1989 to end several decades of lighthearded Batman campiness - thus the two shades of black complemented each other very well to form a newly complete representation of Batman.

Also, I am posting these two videos for nostalgia's/awesomeness' sake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxOQTaLTFrU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEx9r5enZsk

Anyone who does not watch both clips in their entirety dies a painful and agonizing death.
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Great clips and great times... For further nostalgia, I am currently listening to the Smashing Pumpkins album, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

But I was thinking about your view of the theme, and as you describe it, Elfman's theme would certainly fit better with the new movies than the way that I think of it.
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Y SO SRS?
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Dear sir, might I enquire as to the reasoning behind your concerned and down to Earth attitude?
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