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| Why Are Some People So Childish? | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 3 2008, 04:33 PM (636 Views) | |
| lebowski2123 | Jul 5 2008, 06:58 PM Post #51 |
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TC, that was very well said and I agree |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jul 5 2008, 07:08 PM Post #52 |
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The high oil prices necessitates limited vehicle useage. It's basic economics, no matter how big the country is. "Widespread vehicle use" will most likely become an impossibility soon, unless we are rescued by some out-of-the-blue technological advancement. Just think of the US as 50 Britains. We have 50 states, after all. Why do we need to cross state lines so much? When you have 20 million American families driving 10 hours to reach the roller coaster at Six Flags, you eventually will have an oil shortage and oil crisis. We need to find local amusements. Read a book on your front porch, take a stroll in the local park, instead of riding a roller coaster that's 100 miles away. Unless, of course, you live next to the roller coaster. The gas prices and economic realities are simply no longer able to maintain the automobile-based way of life for the American population. |
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| New Harumf | Jul 6 2008, 07:47 AM Post #53 |
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My point, precisely! |
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| The CNNP | Jul 6 2008, 09:33 AM Post #54 |
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OOC: We can't do anything right, we've hijacked a psychology thread and turned it into...yet again, another political debate thread... :lol: |
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| New Harumf | Jul 7 2008, 07:17 AM Post #55 |
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Who can argue with the Duke? The Duke Wut?[color] Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Jul 13 2008, 01:20 PM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 13 2008, 01:32 PM Post #56 |
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Why the hell would I want to go to Manchester? What does Manchester have that I want? That I need? I live an hour from a major city. Anything I want is an hour away. I suggest that you move closer to the cities you frequently visit. Even then... there are local gay clubs, museums and theatres within twenty minutes of where I live - and those are the only things I want to go to London for. If you can't live local... you're national economy is FUCKED. I mean truly, really, fucked. Sure there are things worth traveling for - going to a themepark now and again; food and other goods need to be transported to get the most from mass production etc. But if you live in Santa Rosa and your doctor lives in El Paso... you are F***ED. Move to El Paso el Retardo. Or train some more doctors. Or build a new town an hour outside of El Paso. If you want to travel cross state, you need a car. I don't dispute this. To move mass produced goods, you need oil. I don't dispute this. But if you need to travel cross state... you've got problems. If business isn't producing local... you've got problems. And those are the problems you need to address. Not complain about oil prices. Don't complain that it hurts when you poke yourself in the eye - just stop poking yourself in the eye! :P (And, for the record, a lot of our trucks travel cross-Europe. Granted they don't usually go further than Germany but you really need to consider the UK as one of the United States of Europe before you say "tiny country... lulz!") Wut? |
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| New Harumf | Jul 13 2008, 01:49 PM Post #57 |
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Ya just don't get it, do ya. That's what comes from living in a tiny little country. Perhaps you live in Santa Rosa because you work in the copper mine, or perhaps you manage the family farm, or raise cattle. The entire county Santa Rosa lies in has fewer than 30,000 people, but it is an essencial part of the agricultural and mining economy - but it would be impractical to build a hospital there with MRI's and Dialysis equipment, so travel to El Paso for certain medical things is NECESSARY, not a luxury but a NECESSITY. True, you could travel the 150 miles by horse, but that takes time - too much time. In this vast country many people live 100's of miles from the services you'd expect in medium-sized cities, it's just the fact of living a rural lifestyle, but you'd never understand that living in a congested mega-urban area. There are still one-room school houses out west with 8 grades all taught in one room. Hell, I was driving the Interstate across Wyoming a year ago and saw a sign that read "next services, 157 miles"! That is a long way to go for a tank of gas or a quart of milk at $4.00 a gallon! Not everyone here has the choice or inclination of living near a large metropolitan area. I don't care if you want to get to Manchester or not - at least you can by train. Not everyone here (actually, less than 1/2 the population) has that choice and are TOTALLY dependent on their car, or truck. |
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| Catholic Europe | Jul 14 2008, 06:58 AM Post #58 |
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You still have one-room schools! That's crazy! That's like so Victorian! I think you are right though NH. Me and Nag really have no comprehension as we have lived, all our lives, in one of the most densely populated areas in Europe, indeed in the world! We are used to having everything basically on our doorstep or within an hours drive away (which is not much at all). I must say that when I've gone to Manchester or Leeds I've been annoyed that it takes like 5hrs (by coach) or a couple of hours on the trains. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 14 2008, 01:38 PM Post #59 |
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Seriously... you need to cut down on this rural BS. We're not in the nineteenth century. You need to develope more. One room schools... that's crazy. It's inefficent. It's... Inconcievable! It's absolutely, entirely and in every way INCONCIEVABLE! ... Wut? |
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| New Harumf | Jul 14 2008, 02:09 PM Post #60 |
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If it wasn't for these one-room school houses some folks would have to send their kids 50 miles or more, one way, to get them to a school, and that would be a special hardship at $4.00 a gallon for gas, so I hope you are getting the picture. I think it is a pity that the US has gone from a majority rural nation to a majority urban nation in my life's short span. Values instilled in rural life are desired in America - hard work, dedication to family and community, etc. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jul 14 2008, 03:46 PM Post #61 |
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Europe is overpopulated. There are going to be some serious civil disturbances in Europe once the food runs out. Or at the very least, when the cheap food runs out. |
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| Eleytheria-Duo | Jul 14 2008, 04:15 PM Post #62 |
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... I am siding with NH on this one... I live in California, the most populous state in the Union with over 10 million more people here than the next most populous state. Its noticeably larger than the United Kingdom in area and yet despite this, it has almost HALF of the population. Of course that doesn't matter since there's a belt of major cities along the coast and fertile Sacramento Valley. However, we do have small mountainous towns scattered all throughout the Eastern part of the state, ranging from the Sierra's to the Cascades that match NH's kind of description. The North is also much less populated and dotted with small towns. Some of these minuscule towns don't even have medical facilities, yet alone any adequate care for emergencies. Some of the nearest hospitals could be anywhere from 60 to 100 kilometers away, luckier small towns will only be 20 to 40 kilometers away. If we assume it to be the ideal latter, that's about the distance from what... London to what? If we assume it to be the former, thats further than London to say... Oxford? People have a right to live wherever they feel comfortable and are happy at, if its a major city with all the sinful delights you can indulge in, all right. If its a tiny little town of a few hundred, or hell... a few dozen... Good for you. Personally? I like the city, but that's just me. I am only one out of 305 million people who live here in the United States of America, and I am sure as hell not the only one with opinions and preferences. Edited by Eleytheria-Duo, Jul 14 2008, 04:16 PM.
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jul 14 2008, 05:23 PM Post #63 |
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As long as Americans recognize that low gasoline prices are not a civil right, we have a right to live anywhere we please. The "Invisible Hand" of economics will take care of the rest. (I heard that the Invisible Hand is a molestor who will stick his invisible thumb up your ass while you're looking away) |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 14 2008, 05:55 PM Post #64 |
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If you want to live in a backwater... go for it. I'm with TC. |
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| Anti | Jul 15 2008, 01:54 AM Post #65 |
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I'll chip in here. I don't have a car nor a license, so I cannot drive. This is due to my diabetes, before anyone calls me a lazy bastard. Anyway. I have about five places I need to go. -Work: About 6 minutes on bike. 15 on foot. -Groceries: I work at a grocery store, so... -AT&T store: To handle my billing, sometimes. 30-45 minutes away on bike. -Girlfriend: Lives in Crockett (a few towns over). I know how to get there via Public Trans. Takes about two hours. Otherwise? 30 minutes by car. (I have driven there before when I had my permit.) -Doctor's: All the way in freakin' Oakland. Easy enough to get there though, the BART (Bay Area Regional Transit) goes like, right up to their doorstep. Also, pharmacy, which is about 30-45 minutes away on bike. I like it. When I had my mom's car, that thing would drain my wallet very fast. |
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