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6-8 days until the end of the internet.; Seriously, this could be the end >_>
Topic Started: Jul 1 2008, 08:56 PM (393 Views)
NRE	Jul 2 2008, 09:15 PM Post #26
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman Posts: 9,266 Group: Admin Member #120 Joined: April 21, 2005	hmmm maybe because I stopped pirating things back when we had the first Napster scare where everyone was certain the FBI was out to get them, that this really doesn't bother me. If you don't have anything on your computer illegal, then you have nothing to worry about. An if you do and it was planted there by the government to have due reason to throw you in jail before you were able to implement plays to overthrow that said government, then you simply weren't a smart as you thought you were :P I guess since I don't own any MP3 or IPOD or any of that crap and still buy the good old fashion CD and DVD of all the good stuff I like, that I really don't have a problem with this. But hey that's just me, I say we revolt against technology anyhow before it revolts against us :unsure: Oh and it would make no sense if this were a Communist plot to take over the world. Edited by NRE, Jul 2 2008, 09:19 PM.



Paradise	Jul 2 2008, 09:43 PM Post #27
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	NRE, this has nothing to do with downloading illegal content or not, it has to do with privacy. If we concede this, the governments won't stop intruding in our daily lives.



Eleytheria-Duo	Jul 2 2008, 10:18 PM Post #28
Resident Bystander Posts: 2,370 Group: Map Makers Member #298 Joined: November 16, 2006	Paradise Jul 2 2008, 07:20 PM The traditional electorate of the Democrats is the leftists, who do not like (generally) to pay for stuff. And who thinks a tax here and there is a solution to all problems. :dry:



Paradise	Jul 2 2008, 10:28 PM Post #29
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	Eleytheria-Duo Jul 2 2008, 10:18 PM Paradise Jul 2 2008, 07:20 PM The traditional electorate of the Democrats is the leftists, who do not like (generally) to pay for stuff. And who thinks a tax here and there is a solution to all problems. :dry: Well, one doesn't go without the other :lol:



Comrade Queen	Jul 2 2008, 11:00 PM Post #30
Comrade Bitchqueen Posts: 4,159 Group: Forum Mods Member #83 Joined: October 4, 2004	Paradise Jul 2 2008, 07:20 PM Ulgania Jul 2 2008, 06:00 PM Right, considering the average IQ of a MoC in the USA, I'm willing to bet it could get through. However, if it did come the next round of congressional elections we could see a very Republic congress. Doesn't make any sense for me. You're thinking with your emotions instead of thinking rationally. The traditional electorate of the Democrats is the leftists, who do not like (generally) to pay for stuff. The traditional electorate of the Republicans is the rightists, which include a lot of businessmen who prefer that people pay for their stuff. The music industry is a business, and it would make sense for them to pressure their party (the Republicans) to enforce copyright laws. Don't even try to understand it, because in the end... it's not a political party thing at all. (Yes, that means NH is to an extent, wrong.) You have the same sort of assholes on either side of the invisible political fence that doesn't exist. There is no actual Republican Party or any actual Democrat Party. Both of those died out a long time ago, and I'm betting it's rather similar in other so-called "free nations." All we have now is the Demopublican/Republicrat Party. It's a two-faced monster that wants to strip you of your rights. Everyone in the "Free World" should protest this treaty.



Tristan da Cunha	Jul 2 2008, 11:21 PM Post #31
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt



East Anarx	Jul 3 2008, 01:16 AM Post #32
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	New Harumf Jul 2 2008, 11:35 AM Paradise Jul 2 2008, 11:20 AM Doesn't work NH. The Bush administration is negotiating this treaty, not Obama and the Democrats. Same thing in Canada, the Conservative party is "negotiating" this shit. And I was considering voting for the Conservative party... If the treaty becomes true, I will have to vote Bloc Qu�b�cois again (I could never vote for the Liberal Party, a party that is traditionally hostile toward Quebec). Only the executive branch can negotiate treaties, i.e. Bush. Congress can only ratify. The supreme court can overturn the enforcement of the treaty. The current court would. One swing vote to the left, and it would not, thus vote for someone that will appoint strict constructionists, i.e. McCain, not Obama. McCain is just as likely to appoint some neocon judge to the supreme court who would be just as bad if not worse than a so-called "liberal." The two candidates are so absurdly close in political views that it's ridiculous. They may tweak a politically correct word or two here and there, but they've got essentially the same platform.



East Anarx	Jul 3 2008, 01:16 AM Post #33
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Tristan da Cunha Jul 2 2008, 11:21 PM http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt Could this perhaps be considered some kind of spam? EDIT: Also, irony aside, sorry about the double post commenting on whether something was spam or not. Edited by East Anarx, Jul 3 2008, 01:17 AM.



Tristan da Cunha	Jul 3 2008, 06:13 AM Post #34
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	It should be considered a wake up call. (albeit a spammy one) Excerpt from the Unabomber Manifesto: 16. (Paragraph 95) When the American colonies were under British rule there were fewer and less effective legal guarantees of freedom than there were after the American Constitution went into effect, yet there was more personal freedom in pre-industrial America, both before and after the War of Independence, than there was after the Industrial Revolution took hold in this country. In "Violence in America: Historical and Comparative Perspectives," edited by Hugh Davis Graham and Ted Robert Gurr, Chapter 12 by Roger Lane, it is explained how in pre-industrial America the average person had greater independence and autonomy than he does today, and how the process of industrialization necessarily led to the restriction of personal freedom.



Assassin	Jul 6 2008, 05:10 PM Post #35
Field Marshal Posts: 4,159 Group: Veterans Member #149 Joined: June 1, 2005	Nag Ehgoeg Jul 2 2008, 06:01 PM The Assassination Army Jul 1 2008, 10:04 PM Never happen. And god help the poor bastard who opens my /b/ folder. Yeah... right... my /b/ folder... that's the most disturbing folder on my laptop... :roll: Well, the most disturbing that I was willing to admit to. :gnarkgnark:



Ulgania	Jul 7 2008, 12:30 PM Post #36
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Paradise Jul 2 2008, 07:20 PM Ulgania Jul 2 2008, 06:00 PM Right, considering the average IQ of a MoC in the USA, I'm willing to bet it could get through. However, if it did come the next round of congressional elections we could see a very Republic congress. Doesn't make any sense for me. You're thinking with your emotions instead of thinking rationally. The traditional electorate of the Democrats is the leftists, who do not like (generally) to pay for stuff. The traditional electorate of the Republicans is the rightists, which include a lot of businessmen who prefer that people pay for their stuff. The music industry is a business, and it would make sense for them to pressure their party (the Republicans) to enforce copyright laws. Well, for one thing the parties don't really mean much as parties anymore. Since everything is candidate driven as it is, and territorial ideologies rule more than party platforms you see a lot more candidates debating than parties debating. Just look at the south: in colonial times they had a traditionalist way of looking at things, and didn't want the government getting in the way of the status quo, so in the post-Revolution time they stuck with traditionalism and allowed for a 1 party system to stay in place for a VERY long time. So, what ended up happening was they technically stuck with the democratic party (which also led to a few other issues during the civil war, but whatevs...). That in turn leads to some very interesting results in today's political stratosphere, that being the fact that a lot of states recently went republican, but are slowly becoming democratic again. This is just in name though, as the states are very conservative on their stances, making the general philosophy that a democrat from Mississippi would be considered a Republican in Connecticut/New England in general. So, when I say it could go through, it would result in a general outcry from the constituencies all around the country (if it gets enough attention that is) to drive the dominantly democratic majorities out and to be replaced by republicans. How though? Well, a lot of republicans are looking for any opportunity they can to distance themselves from things like the Patriot Act, as well as some of the more Neo-Con initiatives that have been prevailing under Bush/Cheney. If a Democrat controlled congress let this pass, the Republican party could make a huge issue out of privacy and personal freedoms (and, oh I don't know, the general conservative notion that a limited government should stay out of people's lives ^^ ) and label themselves as the good guys in American politics. That is, this would only happen if it did pass through the G8 summit, did get approved by the president, and did get through the congressional process. However, the fact that all I've heard about the G8 summit so far is that they don't plan on discussing the environment I'm a little worried. Then again, this might get pigeonholed since Russia will most likely have a more prominent role in the summit this time around (the new president's popular, has Putin's support, and is looking over a huge amount of economic expansion in Russia right now... as well as military expansion). Yeah... so in short I'm not thinking with emotions :P



Devin Wire	Jul 17 2008, 04:57 PM Post #37
Captain Posts: 1,063 Group: Members Member #327 Joined: April 4, 2007	I didn't hear anything; any idea of what became of this?



Comrade Queen	Jul 17 2008, 04:58 PM Post #38
Comrade Bitchqueen Posts: 4,159 Group: Forum Mods Member #83 Joined: October 4, 2004	I'd be curious of that myself.

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