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6-8 days until the end of the internet.; Seriously, this could be the end >_>
Topic Started: Jul 1 2008, 08:56 PM (392 Views)
Ulgania	Jul 1 2008, 08:56 PM Post #1
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement This article is seriously worth reading. If you care at all about your internet, and your freedom to use it then you should be outraged. If this passes we might as well kiss our other civil liberties goodbye. ISPs would have to turn over customer information without warrants, laptops could be subject to full searches at borders, and guess what, it's not just the USA. It's related the G8 summit. Internet Neutrality: 1996 - 2008. GOODNIGHT SWEET PRINCE.



Comrade Queen	Jul 1 2008, 09:01 PM Post #2
Comrade Bitchqueen Posts: 4,159 Group: Forum Mods Member #83 Joined: October 4, 2004	Yeah... that's a vile invasion of privacy. It goes against all of my beliefs.



Rhadamanthus	Jul 1 2008, 09:09 PM Post #3
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	The internet is evil... but the G8 is certainly more evil...



Tristan da Cunha	Jul 1 2008, 09:43 PM Post #4
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Ulgania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement This article is seriously worth reading. If you care at all about your internet, and your freedom to use it then you should be outraged. If this passes we might as well kiss our other civil liberties goodbye. ISPs would have to turn over customer information without warrants, laptops could be subject to full searches at borders, and guess what, it's not just the USA. It's related the G8 summit. Internet Neutrality: 1996 - 2008. GOODNIGHT SWEET PRINCE. I don't care for the internet, I don't care for my "freedom" to use it, and I hope it collapses and we revert to hand written letters and messenger pigeons. I do care passionately about violent overthrow of the G8 governments, and incineration of their government officials. Read the Unabomber Manifesto for more details. Ted Kazinski (sp?) got it right. (Watch me get flagged for domestic terrorism) Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jul 1 2008, 09:46 PM.



Assassin	Jul 1 2008, 10:04 PM Post #5
Field Marshal Posts: 4,159 Group: Veterans Member #149 Joined: June 1, 2005	Never happen. And god help the poor bastard who opens my /b/ folder.



Ukabanea	Jul 1 2008, 10:04 PM Post #6
The Resident Evil?....Mayhap? Posts: 494 Group: Members Member #402 Joined: January 19, 2008	Tristan da Cunha Jul 1 2008, 09:43 PM Ulgania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement This article is seriously worth reading. If you care at all about your internet, and your freedom to use it then you should be outraged. If this passes we might as well kiss our other civil liberties goodbye. ISPs would have to turn over customer information without warrants, laptops could be subject to full searches at borders, and guess what, it's not just the USA. It's related the G8 summit. Internet Neutrality: 1996 - 2008. GOODNIGHT SWEET PRINCE. I don't care for the internet, I don't care for my "freedom" to use it, and I hope it collapses and we revert to hand written letters and messenger pigeons. I do care passionately about violent overthrow of the G8 governments, and incineration of their government officials. Read the Unabomber Manifesto for more details. Ted Kazinski (sp?) got it right. (Watch me get flagged for domestic terrorism) out of obviousness i doubt you would saying that if it were to happen



Draxis	Jul 1 2008, 10:08 PM Post #7
Captain Posts: 1,356 Group: Map Makers Member #271 Joined: August 20, 2006	The Assassination Army Jul 1 2008, 10:04 PM Never happen. And god help the poor bastard who opens my /b/ folder. God help the poor bastard that has to go through your computer at all. Hell, god help AA...



Eleytheria-Duo	Jul 1 2008, 10:15 PM Post #8
Resident Bystander Posts: 2,370 Group: Map Makers Member #298 Joined: November 16, 2006	Tristan da Cunha Jul 1 2008, 09:43 PM I don't care for the internet, I don't care for my "freedom" to use it, and I hope it collapses and we revert to hand written letters and messenger pigeons. I do care passionately about violent overthrow of the G8 governments, and incineration of their government officials. Read the Unabomber Manifesto for more details. Ted Kazinski (sp?) got it right. (Watch me get flagged for domestic terrorism) Dear God, TC! Ted Kaczynski killed 3 people! How could you condone such outrageous actions?! After that comment you are labeled a terrorist in my book... Weapons of destruction used for good are meant to protect and deter, even if their main purpose is to use them for evil, which is to maim and kill. I'm ashamed of you! Flags as terrorist Edited by Eleytheria-Duo, Jul 1 2008, 10:16 PM.



The CNNP	Jul 1 2008, 11:17 PM Post #9
Enforcer Posts: 1,857 Group: Members Member #198 Joined: November 10, 2005	Well, if this does happen then you had better believe they will enforce this to a "T". Most of you are too young to remember, but talk radio wasn't freed up until I want to say the late 80's. The government has been talking about reinstituting that ban as well.



Paradise	Jul 1 2008, 11:29 PM Post #10
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	If Canada enters into this shit, I switch my allegiance to the Quebec separatists.



Hastine	Jul 1 2008, 11:39 PM Post #11
Universi enim hic sumus. Posts: 586 Group: Members Member #438 Joined: May 11, 2008	Well, better start removing all the songs I got from LimeWire off my iPod before I make my next vacation... There's going to be a hell of a lot of people that are going to get arrested if this gets implemented. Motherfuckers. I'm moving to Sealand. Edited by Hastine, Jul 1 2008, 11:43 PM.



Toussaint	Jul 2 2008, 12:32 AM Post #12
Major Posts: 1,973 Group: Members Member #377 Joined: October 3, 2007	Paradise Jul 1 2008, 11:29 PM If Canada enters into this shit, I switch my allegiance to the Quebec separatists. Where it should be! :angry:



Alberto	Jul 2 2008, 05:14 AM Post #13
Resident Italian Posts: 1,230 Group: Members Member #372 Joined: September 18, 2007	Oh God me that downloaded so much things from Emule and Limewire ... But the law won't pass just because my lobby with the world powers .



A.Q.	Jul 2 2008, 05:17 AM Post #14
Beautiful Snowflake Posts: 906 Group: Members Member #429 Joined: April 13, 2008	The way I see it, if wiretapping without a warrant didn't spark a revolution (my friends Quaker church got tapped) then people unable to download pr0n will.



Kiensland	Jul 2 2008, 07:50 AM Post #15
Apathetic Lizardman Posts: 380 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: December 30, 2003	How are they going to actually know what's pirated and what's not just by looking at your MP3 player?



New Harumf	Jul 2 2008, 08:18 AM Post #16
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	K, they have been planting traps on LimeWire and other torrent sites for years now. If you've got one, you are dead meat. This may be unenforcable simply because of the pure volume. Keep your illegal stuff on a removable drive (as I do) that never leaves your house. Still need a warrant to knock down my door. Don't travel with illegal stuff. Keep a travel mp3 player with copies of songs YOU OWN. Buy encryption software NOW, preferably from 3rd world sources that are unlikely to have keys registered with a government agency. Avoid US and EU manufactured encryption software. If you do steal material when overseas, e-mail or snail-mail it home, do not carry it through customs. Because this is some G8 treaty and not legislation from congress, if it goes to the current Supreme Court, which does not recognise extra-constitutional sources as the law of the land, it will get defeated 5-4. If there is one more liberal appointed to the court then we will have a court that takes treaties and extra-constitutional sources into account, and it could get worse. Another reason to vote against Obama. Expect law enforcement to push this to the limit, and beyond, if it is passed. Never in history has law-enforcement stayed within the spirit of a law - they always push it to the extreme where it was never meant to go. RICO laws are the perfect example. Blame Motley Crue and other clueless bands and record execs that never got it, that having ears on your stuff is good, no matter how. Their penny-pinching greed stirred up this whole nonsense. Boycot those responsible.



Paradise	Jul 2 2008, 11:20 AM Post #17
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	Doesn't work NH. The Bush administration is negotiating this treaty, not Obama and the Democrats. Same thing in Canada, the Conservative party is "negotiating" this shit. And I was considering voting for the Conservative party... If the treaty becomes true, I will have to vote Bloc Qu�b�cois again (I could never vote for the Liberal Party, a party that is traditionally hostile toward Quebec).



Rhadamanthus	Jul 2 2008, 11:24 AM Post #18
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Doesn't matter; world's going to end anyway... maybe http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/06/30/doomsdaycollider.ap/index.html



New Harumf	Jul 2 2008, 11:35 AM Post #19
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	Paradise Jul 2 2008, 11:20 AM Doesn't work NH. The Bush administration is negotiating this treaty, not Obama and the Democrats. Same thing in Canada, the Conservative party is "negotiating" this shit. And I was considering voting for the Conservative party... If the treaty becomes true, I will have to vote Bloc Qu�b�cois again (I could never vote for the Liberal Party, a party that is traditionally hostile toward Quebec). Only the executive branch can negotiate treaties, i.e. Bush. Congress can only ratify. The supreme court can overturn the enforcement of the treaty. The current court would. One swing vote to the left, and it would not, thus vote for someone that will appoint strict constructionists, i.e. McCain, not Obama.



Filo	Jul 2 2008, 12:43 PM Post #20
General Posts: 3,999 Group: Veterans Member #192 Joined: October 31, 2005	But how they can be sure that songs of my ipod(or whatever elese) are illegal? If i have copied them from cds and than punt on Ipod? surely thay cannot come to my house to see...



New Harumf	Jul 2 2008, 12:51 PM Post #21
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	Filo Jul 2 2008, 12:43 PM But how they can be sure that songs of my ipod(or whatever elese) are illegal? If i have copied them from cds and than punt on Ipod? surely thay cannot come to my house to see... They can put information in a music file flagging it as stolen, then plant it on a site for illegal downloads. If they find that information on a song on your computer, they know you are a pirate!



flumes	Jul 2 2008, 05:37 PM Post #22
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	This is most definately a communist plot to take over the world. I won't let it happen.



Ulgania	Jul 2 2008, 06:00 PM Post #23
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Right, considering the average IQ of a MoC in the USA, I'm willing to bet it could get through. However, if it did come the next round of congressional elections we could see a very Republic congress.



Nag Ehgoeg	Jul 2 2008, 06:01 PM Post #24
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	The Assassination Army Jul 1 2008, 10:04 PM Never happen. And god help the poor bastard who opens my /b/ folder. Yeah... right... my /b/ folder... that's the most disturbing folder on my laptop... :roll:



Paradise	Jul 2 2008, 07:20 PM Post #25
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	Ulgania Jul 2 2008, 06:00 PM Right, considering the average IQ of a MoC in the USA, I'm willing to bet it could get through. However, if it did come the next round of congressional elections we could see a very Republic congress. Doesn't make any sense for me. You're thinking with your emotions instead of thinking rationally. The traditional electorate of the Democrats is the leftists, who do not like (generally) to pay for stuff. The traditional electorate of the Republicans is the rightists, which include a lot of businessmen who prefer that people pay for their stuff. The music industry is a business, and it would make sense for them to pressure their party (the Republicans) to enforce copyright laws. Edited by Paradise, Jul 2 2008, 07:21 PM.

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