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Topic Started: Jun 15 2008, 03:26 PM (575 Views)
Nag Ehgoeg	Jun 17 2008, 04:43 PM Post #26
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Ulgania Jun 17 2008, 04:38 PM Yeah, right as 1 PM EST rolled around Mozilla.com and getfirefox.com went down... my only guess is they were flooded by people trying to DL it and couldn't handle the traffic. Everything's fixed now, and you can DL it any time. They're trying to break a guiness world record for number of downloads or something... judging by the fact they couldn't handle the bandwidth earlier they'll break that record haha. Really, they should have set up more than 3 mirrors. Holy. Fcking. Sht. When I was a faithful FF1 user... I discovered Opera. I found Opera flew when handling my websites. It made FF1 look like a snail on a zimmerframe. I was impressed Putting FF3 through its paces... wow. Me likely. Interface is nice and clean. Winamp toolbar doesn't w**k though. Which... is kinda bad because my main reason for using FF2 was winamp (and greasemonkey). FF3 complained a little about being run portably, but that's my doing not it's fault. Importing my old data actually worked. Its security and speed functions do exactly what they say on the tin. So far, so good. Two thumbs way, way up



Anti	Jun 17 2008, 05:23 PM Post #27
Ex Mac Elitist Posts: 382 Group: Members Member #264 Joined: July 29, 2006	You all know me well enough. I use Safari almost exclusively. On the Mac version, however, there is one advantage: WebClip Take a section of a web page and open it in a window on Dashboard (Think Yahoo Widget Engine). Now all I need to do is F4 to see all the webpages I wish to watch. The rest. It's bloody fast. Safari starts before I can even say it's name on my computer, and it loads pages lightning quick. Especially image-heavy pages. Gecko (FF's underlying rendering system) chokes and sputters on tons of images. It can pass Acid3. Well, not yet. But WebKit (Safari's underlying rendering system) in it's current form (the nightly builds), can pass the Acid3 test 100%. Firefox still bombs it. The Font Rendering is perfect It doesn't hurt my eyes like Windows' font rendering does. If you turn on Cleartype, it looks like trash. Safari ignores all of that and puts it's own spin on things. And it looks great. Cons? It does have it's Security issues. There are some attacks that make use of Safari. However, not nearly as many as it's cohort, Interweb Exploder.



Ulgania	Jun 17 2008, 05:30 PM Post #28
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	I think Safari's default settings can be a little touchy and dangerous personally. Having stuff automatically download without user intervention = WIDE OPEN DOOR for viruses/trojan/malware



Nag Ehgoeg	Jun 17 2008, 05:36 PM Post #29
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Anticitizen Jun 17 2008, 05:23 PM You all know me well enough. I use Safari almost exclusively. On the Mac version, however, there is one advantage: WebClip Take a section of a web page and open it in a window on Dashboard (Think Yahoo Widget Engine). Now all I need to do is F4 to see all the webpages I wish to watch. The rest. It's bloody fast. Safari starts before I can even say it's name on my computer, and it loads pages lightning quick. Especially image-heavy pages. Gecko (FF's underlying rendering system) chokes and sputters on tons of images. It can pass Acid3. Well, not yet. But WebKit (Safari's underlying rendering system) in it's current form (the nightly builds), can pass the Acid3 test 100%. Firefox still bombs it. The Font Rendering is perfect It doesn't hurt my eyes like Windows' font rendering does. If you turn on Cleartype, it looks like trash. Safari ignores all of that and puts it's own spin on things. And it looks great. Cons? It does have it's Security issues. There are some attacks that make use of Safari. However, not nearly as many as it's cohort, Interweb Exploder. So what does saf get on the Acid3 test? [Edit] 'Cause it looks to me that Opera's rendering system also get's 100/100 and Opera itself scores higher than Safari. And it's more secure. And it has speeddial. And mouse gestures. And a javascript editior. And a torrent manager. And IRC chat. You know, just saying. [Edit] Posted Image [Edit] Hey, what do you know, there is a speed dial and torrent manager extension. 'Course the torrent manger is bloated and doesn't work with FF3. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Jun 19 2008, 03:07 PM.



Rafzakael	Jun 17 2008, 08:13 PM Post #30
Beelzebub Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #412 Joined: February 8, 2008	Nag Ehgoeg Jun 17 2008, 05:36 PM 'Cause it looks to me that Opera's rendering system also get's 100/100 and Opera itself scores higher than Safari. And it's more secure. And it has speeddial. And mouse gestures. And a javascript editior. And a torrent manager. And IRC chat. This. Speed dial is the most god-awesome innovation since the bookmark. I am amazed that nobody has hijacked it yet, because it would be so easy to code. Also, Nag, I don't know if you've noticed, but 9.5 did a really cool thing with the recently-visited-pages list. In the old versions, you could start typing the URL for a bookmark or a recently viewed page in the address bar, and it would drop down a list of them that fit your typing. That's pretty standard. In 9.5, you can start typing not only a URL, but something from the page content! For example, if I type "Nag" into my address bar, I get NSWR threads that you've posted in, as well as a blog that happened to have the word "nag" in it today. Awesomesauce.



Ulgania	Jun 17 2008, 08:24 PM Post #31
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Really... just about all the mainstream browsers these days have all those things. Firefox is open-source to the point that anyone can make an extension (greasemonkey is a perfect example)



Paradise	Jun 17 2008, 08:37 PM Post #32
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	Downloaded the latest FF3. It is MUCH more better than the "FF3 Release Candidate 3 beta"...



flumes	Jun 17 2008, 09:12 PM Post #33
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	Me not understanding 99% of what is being thread in this thread makes me all the more happy to live in my little IE world. :lol: And to think, I am starting a website... :unsure: Yet I have been fully successful in doing that so far! B)



Ulgania	Jun 18 2008, 09:34 AM Post #34
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	That's cool. Have you been using HTML with javascript, or something a little more detailed?



Nag Ehgoeg	Jun 19 2008, 09:46 AM Post #35
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Rafzakael Jun 17 2008, 08:13 PM Nag Ehgoeg Jun 17 2008, 05:36 PM 'Cause it looks to me that Opera's rendering system also get's 100/100 and Opera itself scores higher than Safari. And it's more secure. And it has speeddial. And mouse gestures. And a javascript editior. And a torrent manager. And IRC chat. This. Speed dial is the most god-awesome innovation since the bookmark. I am amazed that nobody has hijacked it yet, because it would be so easy to code. Also, Nag, I don't know if you've noticed, but 9.5 did a really cool thing with the recently-visited-pages list. In the old versions, you could start typing the URL for a bookmark or a recently viewed page in the address bar, and it would drop down a list of them that fit your typing. That's pretty standard. In 9.5, you can start typing not only a URL, but something from the page content! For example, if I type "Nag" into my address bar, I get NSWR threads that you've posted in, as well as a blog that happened to have the word "nag" in it today. Awesomesauce. FF3 does this as well. I like it. (I also assume this is what Ulgania was talking about, seeing as FF doesn't do nearly as well on Acid as Opera, isn't more secure, doesn't have speeddial and doesn't have a torrent manager - though it does have extensions for java and irc.) Actually... I need to review FF3's security. It might be more secure than Opera now. In fact... it probably is. I'll check...



Ulgania	Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM Post #36
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Quote: speeddial and doesn't have a torrent manager I'm on FF3 and using both of those as well :lol: And I've never had stability issues with FF3 (well, maybe earlier in the beta). It's been completely secure so far.



Paradise	Jun 19 2008, 01:59 PM Post #37
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	You must install an extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5721 Then, just go use about:blank as your start page.



Nag Ehgoeg	Jun 19 2008, 03:37 PM Post #38
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Ulgania Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM Quote: speeddial and doesn't have a torrent manager I'm on FF3 and using both of those as well :lol: And I've never had stability issues with FF3 (well, maybe earlier in the beta). It's been completely secure so far. Oh really?



Nag Ehgoeg	Jun 19 2008, 03:40 PM Post #39
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Ulgania Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM Quote: speeddial and doesn't have a torrent manager I'm on FF3 and using both of those as well :lol: And I've never had stability issues with FF3 (well, maybe earlier in the beta). It's been completely secure so far. Does FF3 have a torrent manager built in? I didn't see it in the list of features, and the extention I found won't work on FF3.



flumes	Jun 19 2008, 04:03 PM Post #40
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	Well Nag, your economy page got my lazy self to actually download FF3 yesterday.... Still using IE right now, but its a start right?! B)



Nag Ehgoeg	Jun 19 2008, 04:29 PM Post #41
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	flumes Jun 19 2008, 04:03 PM Well Nag, your economy page got my lazy self to actually download FF3 yesterday.... Still using IE right now, but its a start right?! B) Heh... I'm flattered? What do you guys want from an economy calculator? I'm getting very little feedback... so I guess I'll just make it the easiest way to code and let you complain about it :P That is, after all, how we got this forum and the military system.



Ulgania	Jun 19 2008, 07:09 PM Post #42
A better Zarathustra has never rode a horse Posts: 4,041 Group: Members Member #450 Joined: June 3, 2008	Nag Ehgoeg Jun 19 2008, 03:40 PM Ulgania Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM Quote: speeddial and doesn't have a torrent manager I'm on FF3 and using both of those as well :lol: And I've never had stability issues with FF3 (well, maybe earlier in the beta). It's been completely secure so far. Does FF3 have a torrent manager built in? I didn't see it in the list of features, and the extention I found won't work on FF3. My extension work perfectly, but no they're optional. I think I prefer them being optional anyway. I don't typically used the torrent manager extension (prefer uTorrent personally) but it's nice to know I can. Extensions are pretty much awesome. It can make FF as built up or bare-bones as you want it to be. And if IE has ever had a new release without some critical security flaws then I'll consider the idea that maybe someday there could be a chance that I might potentially play with the far-fetched possibility I'll consider the notion of DLing whatever the latest version of Internet Explorer is.



Anti	Jun 19 2008, 10:01 PM Post #43
Ex Mac Elitist Posts: 382 Group: Members Member #264 Joined: July 29, 2006	To reiterate. Safari does not yet score 100% on Acid3. The Standalone build of Webkit, found here, http://nightly.webkit.org/ Does pass the test 100%. Safari isn't expected to pass until version 4, when Apple rolls in the latest webkit build. Also, there's a new Javascript engine being put in, making Safari fast as hell. Also, don't believe Opera's BS that they were first to pass Acid3. Webkit passed first, then Opera shortly after. Edited by Anti, Jun 19 2008, 10:02 PM.



Nag Ehgoeg	Jun 20 2008, 05:49 AM Post #44
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Except for the fact that in a dedicated crack test (not a true representation of the threats found on the internet I'll admit) safari caved first. Comparing Safari with Opera - the browsers, not the underlying systems - Opera scores higher on Acid. Presto and Webkit announced 100/100 scores on the same day - but Webkit got smoothness WAY before Presto. And yes, Safari is smoother than Opera. As for FF... when FF with no extensions takes up more memory and hard drive space than IE or Opera with no add-ons AND provides less functionality, I have a hard time calling it "bare bones". (Actually, that might be an unfair claim now FF3 is out.) Economy posts split into other thread.



Anti	Jun 20 2008, 05:32 PM Post #45
Ex Mac Elitist Posts: 382 Group: Members Member #264 Joined: July 29, 2006	I tried Opera on Mac OS X Leopard. It looks like...well...like a Mac OS 9 application.



flumes	Jun 20 2008, 07:04 PM Post #46
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	Ulgania Jun 18 2008, 09:34 AM That's cool. Have you been using HTML with javascript, or something a little more detailed? Uhhh... I would guess just HTML thus far... But I really am not sure! :D



Union	Jun 20 2008, 07:11 PM Post #47
Pyrenees Republic Posts: 3,219 Group: Forum Mods Member #307 Joined: December 27, 2006	IE FTW



Anti	Jun 21 2008, 02:41 PM Post #48
Ex Mac Elitist Posts: 382 Group: Members Member #264 Joined: July 29, 2006	Hispania Jun 20 2008, 07:11 PM IE FTW You should be lynched.



Hastine	Jun 21 2008, 05:47 PM Post #49
Universi enim hic sumus. Posts: 586 Group: Members Member #438 Joined: May 11, 2008	Anticitizen Jun 21 2008, 02:41 PM Hispania Jun 20 2008, 07:11 PM IE FTW You should be lynched. You'll have to lynch us both. :gnarkgnark:



East Anarx	Jun 22 2008, 03:57 PM Post #50
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Lately, FF3 is acting a little screwy for me, but it might be my computer actually. I think I have a virus...

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