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Something the Media's not Letting You See
Topic Started: Jun 7 2008, 07:40 PM (347 Views)
Comrade Queen
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This has been happening in Virginia for the last few days.

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I can't belive some of these guys actually belive in a plan for a new world order.
Edited by Ukabanea, Jun 7 2008, 08:25 PM.
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Ukabanea
Jun 7 2008, 08:25 PM
I can't belive some of these guys actually belive in a plan for a new world order.
Likewise.
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I can't believe you guys are so trusting of the powers that be.
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Ukabanea
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hey am not saying i trust in the goverment, hell if anything am pretty pissed at it right now, all am saying is that you can't be sure of anything and a plan for a new world order just dosn't seem feasible to me.
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Jun 7 2008, 08:53 PM
I can't believe you guys are so trusting of the powers that be.
I'm not.

I don't believe that there is a conspiracy to form a new world order, however. Conflicts of interest between members of some supposed Illuminati would make an organization dedicated to that goal function so poorly that it could hardly be considered a threat, if it were formed at all.
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Really? Compare the world now with the world in the past. I don't know if it is true but it is certainly plausible.

edit: that was in response to Uk.'s post,

Q: I hope you are right, but even disagreements on substantial issues can be put aside....
Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jun 7 2008, 09:02 PM.
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For the record, tahat took place in Chantilly, and Chantilly isn't Virginia, it's DC lite.
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Romanus Diogenes
Jun 7 2008, 09:01 PM
Really? Compare the world now with the world in the past. I don't know if it is true but it is certainly plausible.
really theres not much of a comparison to make, sure America has gotten to be somewhat more...deciteful well the goverment any way but we can't come to conlusions too quickly before we start throwing around acusations of a new world order you should have substancial proof to back your claim it also seems kinda sick that these people are shouting at these random men and women accusing them to be a part of this "new world order" when they don't even truly know them.
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Actually there is quite a comparison to make. The ability of powers to interfere and dominate is vastly greater than at any point in history due to technology. Communications tech make it possible to coordinate worldwide plans that would have been impossible even decades ago. Now I'm not saying there is anything going on, but there is nothing particularly far-fetched about it. And what I find sick is that people are actually members of groups like Bilderberg. But hey, like I said, I'm certainly not sure about things like this, so I have nothing to convince people of :shy:
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Ukabanea
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yes we certainly can't rule it out but with Americas current state i doubt anyone would even really want to think about that.
Yeah Bilderberg seems really radical.
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If there is a NWO organization, they must be supremely incompetent. To create a framework for a new world order, the organization would need to be doing to some degree a benevolent task. It would have to be able to unite different ethnic groups, or be able to annihilate ethnic groups (not a benevolent task, of course). Nonetheless, the Albanians still hate the Serbs, the Han Chinese hate the Tibetans, and the Jews are still hated by everybody. The only place where real political unity is taking place is in Europe, and nonetheless there is still great ethnic distrust and occassional violence.
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Quaon
Jun 7 2008, 09:46 PM
If there is a NWO organization, they must be supremely incompetent. To create a framework for a new world order, the organization would need to be doing to some degree a benevolent task. It would have to be able to unite different ethnic groups, or be able to annihilate ethnic groups (not a benevolent task, of course). Nonetheless, the Albanians still hate the Serbs, the Han Chinese hate the Tibetans, and the Jews are still hated by everybody. The only place where real political unity is taking place is in Europe, and nonetheless there is still great ethnic distrust and occassional violence.
the jews hate everybody? :dry:
Edited by Ukabanea, Jun 7 2008, 09:51 PM.
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Conspiracy or not, the Americans attending the Bilderberg Conference are breaking the law. According to the Logan Act, it is treason for any American to discuss policy privately with foreign delegates. The people in that hotel are very much criminals.

And don't you find it the least bit suspicious that the major media isn't touching on this at all? Many of the bastards in that hotel own the media.

Quaon, Ukabanea, you're far too optimistic. A simple study of the depleting liberties throughout the Free World (and I'm not just talking the U.S.) should grab your attention enough to wonder that maybe something is happening. There's enough material out there covering the Globalist agenda that you can find for yourself to see. A simple Google search will unveil plenty of books and articles about the topic.

Seriously, it's better to be concerned than sorry.
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Quaon
Jun 7 2008, 09:46 PM
If there is a NWO organization, they must be supremely incompetent. To create a framework for a new world order, the organization would need to be doing to some degree a benevolent task. It would have to be able to unite different ethnic groups, or be able to annihilate ethnic groups (not a benevolent task, of course). Nonetheless, the Albanians still hate the Serbs, the Han Chinese hate the Tibetans, and the Jews are still hated by everybody. The only place where real political unity is taking place is in Europe, and nonetheless there is still great ethnic distrust and occassional violence.
They aren't concerned about ethnic disputes. They don't give a shit about it. All they care about is power and control. A number of those Bilderberg nutballs have actually discussed killing huge swathes of the population for easier management.
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its odd how your completely sure of this, truly there’s no way any of us can be sure of this, scy, you can believe what you want to believe but to me this is all bull. Where have either you or alex Jones collected substantial proof that The United States of America has a plot to form a new world order, its completely preposterous. In recent years with the extreme failure of the bush administration it seems as if alot of Americans are entering a "super liberal" phase.
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There may not be conclusive proof for it, but its no more preposterous than the idea that there isn't one forming. And what does it matter if American politics are going to be "super liberal"? The Democrats are tied into all the same power structures as the Republicans. At the higher level it makes zero difference whatsoever. Both parties choose their officers from CFR, etc. And honestly, the idea of NWR isn't even that far from our openly discussed policy of American hegemony and the spread of American corporate elites into emerging markets. NWR is actually a pretty basic inference from our official policy.
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hey it is a possibility we have cleared that. The whole super liberal thing has nothing to do with either the Republican party or the Democratic party.
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Ukabanea
Jun 7 2008, 10:27 PM
hey it is a possibility we have cleared that. The whole super liberal thing has nothing to do with either the Republican party or the Democratic party.
Well you mentioned the backlash to the Bush regime. That is almost solely a backlash oriented toward the Democratic party. There is no other indication that Americans are more liberal because of the Bush regime, which is actually less conservative than it campaigned as originally. The only liberal phase in American politics right now that I have seen any indication of is the Democratic ascendancy.

BTW: Quite an interesting discussion here ;)
Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jun 7 2008, 10:32 PM.
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really its not democratic ascendancy, as you say but more in the way people act. Ever since the catostrophic falure of the Bush, and yes i will say it, regime people are coming to more and more radical conclusions to why the country is in such a terrible state. Really i have nothing against liberals, i am not a democrat or a republican I am independent and personnally have many, somewhat, liberal views but we cant let these views draw us to the insane conslusions to why our government is in such a sorry state. There are simple explinations to why our country is like this, simply bush and simply Iraq as childish as i might sound saying it.
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Ukabanea
Jun 7 2008, 10:18 PM
that The United States of America has a plot to form a new world order
It's that comment right there that reveals your ignorance of the matter. The U.S. has no such plan. The U.S. is not the Bilderbergers.

Not all the Bilderbergers are Americans. Many of them come from all over the world. They all have in common that they are the so-called "elite" of society. They're corporate barons, bankers, media moguls, and politicians. We know who they are. You can look up on Wikipedia a list of known Bilderbergers. You'll come to realize how much influence Bilderberg wields after reading that list.

Are we completely certain that this is happening? No. But we have plenty of evidence to enforce our suspicions. Go ahead, go to Alex Jones' site and take a look around (http://www.infowars.com/). He has a nice huge archive of articles from both the major press and the alternative press that back his claims. Just because the Bilderbergs aren't letting you see what they're doing or discussing doesn't mean it's not happening.

It's not "bullshit." This group is a very real group and consist of very real, powerful people.

"Liberal" and "Conservative" politics don't have anything to do with it either. Democrat or Republican, a Bilderberger is still a Bilderberger first and foremost.
Edited by Comrade Queen, Jun 7 2008, 10:56 PM.
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"I can't believe you think the Republic it threatened by Ceasar!"

"I can't believe you think the monarchy is threatened by Cromwell!"

"I can't believe you think our new revolution is threatened by Bonaparte!"

"I can't believe you think our country is threatened by the Nazi party!"

Now, who is saying "I can't believe our way of life is threatened by a New World Order." Better safe than sorry, and people with absolute power over the world economy meeting in secret cannot be a good thing. Can't ever.
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Jun 7 2008, 09:50 PM
Conspiracy or not, the Americans attending the Bilderberg Conference are breaking the law. According to the Logan Act, it is treason for any American to discuss policy privately with foreign delegates. The people in that hotel are very much criminals.
The Bilderbergers are criminal in a most profound sense of the word, but the Logan Act is a bad law that should be repealed by the legislature as soon as possible, and in the meantime disregarded and nullified by any honorable jury.
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Scythirus
Jun 7 2008, 09:50 PM
A simple study of the depleting liberties throughout the Free World (and I'm not just talking the U.S.) should grab your attention enough to wonder that maybe something is happening.
It is in the nature of the state to increase and expand its power and in doing so further violate rights and deplete liberties. A social structure that is founded on violence and theft, the state structure, will never voluntarily relinquish its own power, but will constantly and consistently strive to enhance its reach, widen its range, and increase its scope.

You don't have to believe in a conspiracy theory to understand that. Those in power want first of all to remain in power, and second of all to increase that power. It isn't the least bit unlikely for them to attempt to create some kind of new world order to achieve those goals.
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Jun 8 2008, 01:31 PM
but the Logan Act is a bad law that should be repealed by the legislature as soon as possible, and in the meantime disregarded and nullified by any honorable jury.
I have to disagree with that. It will prove immensely useful when the people of this nation finally topple these Bilderberg scumbags and prosecute them for everything they're worth.

Anyway....

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