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| I just purchased a Tec-9; My first handgun purchase | |
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| Topic Started: May 25 2008, 02:32 PM (640 Views) | |
| Catholic Europe | May 26 2008, 05:43 PM Post #26 |
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Oh please. I have a lot more to be scared about from terrorists than you. I live in Tower Hamlets. Everything is Halal (i.e: any take-away food you want is halal, including the Mcdonalds and KFC's etc), most restaurants and newsagents don't serve alcohol (but let you bring your own) and I see more women in a burka than I do in hotpants. America has such a tiny Muslim population in proportion to its own and I don't think they are anywhere near as radicalised as they are in Britain. In my opinion, 9/11 was a one off but there will be many 7/7's in the UK. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | May 26 2008, 06:05 PM Post #27 |
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My chief reasons for purchasing a Tec-9 are as follows: 1. It is a low-cost gun, and I don't have a lot of cash. 2. Recreational. I like shooting around for fun. My experience is quite limited to a luger and an unidentified .22 caliber rifle so I'm quite excited to try out the Tec-9. 3. The Tec-9 is the ultimate liberal pisser-offer. 4. It may prove useful in anti-communist counterrevolution and the epic struggle against the tide of Islam. 5. Self defense- not really the highest priority for me at this moment because I don't live in an unsafe area. Personally, I'm not one of those libertarian gun owners who are sworn enemies of the very concept of government, and believe the highest duty in life is to protect one's "rights" (pronounced "rats" down South) from the government, so I can't speak for them. Yes, I do loathe the current government and government system we have in the US, and I wouldn't mind if it dies a violent death. But I am not opposed to the concept of a government, I don't believe I am inherently an enemy of governments, and I'm all for a legitimate government. For example, if a British redcoat were to get up on the steps of the US Capitol and tear the US Declaration of Independence into pieces and declare this Continent a property of the Queen's again, I would wholeheartedly support that, as long as the Americans can keep on owning guns. I would've supported the loyalist side in the 1776 war. In summary the concept of "defending my country against its enemies" appeals to me more than the concept of "defending myself against my government", though the latter is definitely of interest, as the current Israeli-controlled puppet regime in Washington DC is quite odious. |
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| Van Demans Land | May 27 2008, 02:59 AM Post #28 |
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i once killed a bird with a potato gun, am i allowed in this big man thread? |
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| New Harumf | May 27 2008, 08:49 AM Post #29 |
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I'm gonna sic PETA on you, for sure! And Filo, we still got Injun uprisings - from Mexico. That war will begin quite soon! |
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| Deleted User | May 27 2008, 09:57 AM Post #30 |
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Dylan Klebold was equipped with a tec-9 at columbine thats what he was referencing |
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| Filo | May 27 2008, 10:57 AM Post #31 |
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TC my is only a question since i feel no necessity to defend myself also if uprising seems ready to start in the North(and Hoping God wish free Italia from Padans...) |
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| The CNNP | May 27 2008, 11:02 AM Post #32 |
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It is really just a democratic principle. In the United States, a burgler is playing Russian roulette when he strikes. Does this house or is it this house that possesses some means of defending itself. The issue of gun control is a moot point because between tryannical elements of government and criminal elements hell bent of breaking the law in the first place - a gunless society just makes us more of a target for the 2 groups. |
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| Menhad | May 27 2008, 03:11 PM Post #33 |
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Personally I've always wanted an AUG, or an MP5. You can't really hunt with a Tec-9, but shooting at targets is a great sport, as for non-hunting weapons I've shot an Uzi, 50 cal and a few others. Guns are loud, dangerous and can look really bad ass, thus the perfect American thing. |
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| Alberto | May 27 2008, 03:18 PM Post #34 |
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I will buy myself a Beretta or steal the ordonnance gun of my father, to kill the fascists .... I can be sent to prison, but it would be for a good cause .... :gnarkgnark: "It is really just a democratic principle. In the United States, a burgler is playing Russian roulette when he strikes. Does this house or is it this house that possesses some means of defending itself. The issue of gun control is a moot point because between tryannical elements of government and criminal elements hell bent of breaking the law in the first place - a gunless society just makes us more of a target for the 2 groups." Americans are just soooo strange, target of what ? There are nearly no menaces for which we need to defend ourselves with weapons .... |
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| New Harumf | May 27 2008, 04:34 PM Post #35 |
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Yes there are menaces - Someone could walk on my lawn. Someone could insult my lover. Someone could look at me wrong. Someone could try to come to my door to collect taxes. Someone could litter. Don't tell me there aren't any menaces. |
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| Menhad | May 27 2008, 04:52 PM Post #36 |
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Recently, in my city, a women was raped and beaten so bad she is in the ER, and her jaw is wired shut. In broad day light. On the rich side of town |
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| Catholic Europe | May 27 2008, 05:33 PM Post #37 |
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See, no one from the USA wants to respond to my question because they know I am right. I have a lot more to fear than any of you. |
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| Quaon | May 27 2008, 05:35 PM Post #38 |
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I'm not an avid supporter of gun rights, but I have to say that I have yet to hear of a gun owner claiming the reason for his possession of a weapon being terrorists. |
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| Toussaint | May 27 2008, 05:37 PM Post #39 |
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Where is the question mark in that statement? |
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| Menhad | May 27 2008, 05:58 PM Post #40 |
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We have less to fear from Islam than Brits do, I will agree to that. But have you ever been to the south? I hate to sound racist but African Americans commit far more crimes that other ethinic groups(at least in America), I live less than half a mile from the local 'ghetto', and true I don't live in DC or Compton, but it's not a model of the American suburb. So do I feel safe? Yes. Why? Because I have means to defend myself. With what? Guns. You could say that a baseball bat or something like that would work too, but a gun makes people stop in their steps. Also you don't have to use a gun to defend your self. Here is the local newspaper http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/s...ords=Haile+Rape |
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| Tristan da Cunha | May 27 2008, 07:34 PM Post #41 |
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Agreed.
9/11 style Islamic terrorism is relatively rare. It is limited to one insane fanatic out of a million people. Meanwhile, ordinary rape, robbery, and murder is thousands of times more commonplace. As was mentioned, in the US, it is black people, not Muslims, who have high crime rates. (No racism intended; just stating comparative statistics) In the US, at least (dunno about England), Muslims actually have below average crime rates. Gun ownership/use/shooting is like bowling. You either are into it or you aren't. I would estimate that even if crime and terrorism disappeared, the vast majority of American gun aficianados would continue to own guns due to interest in gunsmithing/technology, and enjoyment of recreational gun use, such as hunting, skeet shooting, target shooting, etc. That's not to say that self-defense isn't an important motivation for gun ownership, since it is definitely on people's minds and definitely needs to be considered, especially for folks living in rough environments.
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| New Harumf | May 28 2008, 08:31 AM Post #42 |
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Can the police protect you? No. They show up after the crime is committed, so get a gun to protect yourself. Yes, I agree with you that the U.K. has more to fear from terrorists right now than the U.S., but that is of your own making. If I was in the U.K. I would be fighting very hard to allow gun ownership. You should too. |
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| Catholic Europe | May 28 2008, 01:35 PM Post #43 |
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I have no need. And see no need. Everyone shooting at everyone will just lead to death, chaos and fear. And I meant statement not question. |
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| The CNNP | May 28 2008, 01:54 PM Post #44 |
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If you read my post completely I just told you who would target you. Gun-control supposedly targets bad citizenry. Criminal elements, organized crime and gangs will simply ignore this law just like they do every other law and continue to commit henious crimes against good citizenry. Crime is no more eliminated than a waterproof towel is effective in drying someone. Governments in possession of all the means of modern self-defense...self expanatory. Government wants to do something to its citizenry that is just WRONG, and don't tell me it doesn't and won't happen because history tells something different. The citizen, you, have absolutely no means of defending yourself. My capoeira skills are impressive, but unfortunately, they can't shield me from a hail of bullets the army could use against me for being politically active. I think in the end we can agree to disagree. |
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| Alberto | May 28 2008, 02:32 PM Post #45 |
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But in a state where all its inhabitants dispose of a gun, the number of homicides will increase as the number of aggressions .... ( the slaughters in High Schools happen more rarely in Europe ... ) |
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| Paradise | May 28 2008, 04:47 PM Post #46 |
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The american way of doing things is to give a gun to every citizen, so that every crime finishes up in a blood bath. |
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| New Harumf | May 28 2008, 05:00 PM Post #47 |
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When I lived in the West Kendal neighborhood of Miami there were a lot of central and south American people living in my apartment complex. Like you Europeans and like Paradise, they felt guns unnecessary. Well, every one of my neighbors had their apartment broken into over the time I was there. Everyone but me. Why? On weekends I used to sit on my patio and clean my guns. Also, I walked my dog at night with a rifle slung over my shoulder (gator protection, we lived near a canal). Aparently, the knowledge that I owned guns and was comfortable with them was enough of a deturrent to keep the burglers away. Burglers don't like home-owners with guns. That is the end of the lesson, children. |
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| Catholic Europe | May 28 2008, 07:40 PM Post #48 |
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No, you are so right! This is why America, at the end of the day, is so really fucked. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | May 28 2008, 09:08 PM Post #49 |
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The problem is with the culture of America, not with the guns themselves. Modern American culture as a whole, and various American minority subcultures, are indeed quite violent and nihilistic, there's no doubt. This can only be addressed by a fundamental shift in cultural values. Not to be racist but if there were no black people in America, crime rates in the US would pretty much be the same as in Europe or Canada, regardless of whether or not there are guns. I'm by no means advocating getting rid of black people. In fact I love black people. Rather, American black culture needs to undergo a spiritual renewal to stop the violence endemic to it, and this fact is recognized even by thinkers within the black community. And this is not limited to the black community either, but is also a problem faced by all other Americans exposed to the American culture, including myself. Just the other day I searched for atonement by freeing a sparrow whose leg was entangled and trapped on a vine. :lol: |
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| Hastine | May 28 2008, 09:45 PM Post #50 |
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Crime within the African-American community in America mostly has to do with poverty, as does most crime in general. Because they were brought over here as slaves, and later treated as second-class citizens until Martin Luther King Jr. protested, African-Americans got the short end of the stick in society and couldn't advance the social ladder very easily. And even with more social mobility among African-Americans lately, there are still many who have had a family history of poverty dating from the slave era, and can't climb out of this hole without a tremendous amount of effort, not to mention haivng to face lingering racism from potential employers. It's no wonder that so many just give up and turn to crime; it's the only way to make a decent living. I'm not condoning crime, of course, but I can see where poor African-American youth are coming from when they turn to it. |
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