Esternarx

May 1 2008, 09:11 PM

You keep referring to America as having a capitalist system. America has a mixed economy, the government interferes an enormous amount in not only the social spectrum, but the economic one as well. It's not having the capitalist aspect to our mixed system that makes it difficult for the poor to improve themselves, but having the socialist aspect.

The US redistributes just about as much wealth as European socialist countries do, they just give much more of it to the already rich than they do to the poor. This incredibly fascistic, but equally socialistic aspect to the American economic system is commonly misinterpreted as a problem with our supposedly "capitalist" approach.

Using violence and the threat thereof to redistribute a rich person's rightfully gained wealth, (through the thievery of taxation,) to less fortunate people is just as bad as taking everyone's wealth almost equally, (through inflation of the common money supply, (which coincidentally is also a major cause of the coming economic crisis,)) and giving it to a few powerful people, (major corporations, banks, the government, etc.) The US does way too much of both, (but especially of the second.)

Siadhail

May 2 2008, 10:33 AM

New Harumf

May 2 2008, 08:31 AM

Ressession is not the problem.  The value of the dollar against other currencies is the problem.

Indeed, but that is only one of the many problems. Recession has been caused by them, and it is only the start of things if nothing is done. I'll give more detail when I'm not busy.

New Harumf

May 2 2008, 12:31 PM

Siadhail

May 2 2008, 10:33 AM

New Harumf

May 2 2008, 08:31 AM

Ressession is not the problem.  The value of the dollar against other currencies is the problem.

Indeed, but that is only one of the many problems. Recession has been caused by them, and it is only the start of things if nothing is done. I'll give more detail when I'm not busy.

This is solved quite easily by raising the interest rates to attract more investment in US dollars, except raising the interest rates while we have an outragious debt level will simply pile on the debt, so the question becomes - what comes first, hyper-inflation, uncontrolable national debt, or economic recovery?? With our manufacturing sectors all but decimated I wouldn't bet on economic recovery right now.

Debt needs to be controlled first. Not eliminated, but controlled. Converted from short-term to long-term debt. We also need to start building new revenue streams. We need to tell the tree-huggers to piss off and open up ANWR and the Pacific coast for exploration, then we need to build new refineries, and allow the Auto companies free access to labor markets out of unionized Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin (and Windsor, ON).

We need a long period of de-regulating and lowering taxes to force more money into the economy. We need to offer competitive interest rates on 30 year bonds and try to get people off the short term bonds that are paying twice the average of comercial CD's. We need a very agressive economic program, and so far neither Moe, Larry or Curley running for president has offeered a good solution.

Tristan da Cunha

May 2 2008, 11:45 AM

Esternarx

May 1 2008, 09:11 PM

You keep referring to America as having a capitalist system. America has a mixed economy, the government interferes an enormous amount in not only the social spectrum, but the economic one as well. It's not having the capitalist aspect to our mixed system that makes it difficult for the poor to improve themselves, but having the socialist aspect.

The US redistributes just about as much wealth as European socialist countries do, they just give much more of it to the already rich than they do to the poor. This incredibly fascistic, but equally socialistic aspect to the American economic system is commonly misinterpreted as a problem with our supposedly "capitalist" approach.

Using violence and the threat thereof to redistribute a rich person's rightfully gained wealth, (through the thievery of taxation,) to less fortunate people is just as bad as taking everyone's wealth almost equally, (through inflation of the common money supply, (which coincidentally is also a major cause of the coming economic crisis,)) and giving it to a few powerful people, (major corporations, banks, the government, etc.) The US does way too much of both, (but especially of the second.)

America is quite capitalistic. The American government is only an instrument, built over the course of many years, by industrialists and bankers. Our government is the highly logical outcome of 300 years of capitalism, and is the outcome of our greed-based culture and worldview. The American government is a transcendent and depraved "next step" of capitalism, if you will.

Siadhail

May 3 2008, 05:36 PM

Damn! Everyone just wants to kill us middle classers, don't they?

lebowski2123

Jun 10 2008, 02:45 PM

Thoughts?

They're called the Right Brothers.

Nag Ehgoeg

Apr 30 2008, 01:27 PM

Dislike.

Revolutionary traitors.

Tristan da Cunha

Jun 10 2008, 09:38 PM

Historically, the English style of government was never republican, although under the harmful influence of the American and French Revolutions it is becoming increasingly republican. The Whig colossus Edmund Burke himself for example was a great attacker of republics and staunch defender of his King.

Catholic Europe

Jun 11 2008, 07:21 AM

Tristan da Cunha

Jun 10 2008, 09:38 PM

Historically, the English style of government was never republican, although under the harmful influence of the American and French Revolutions it is becoming increasingly republican. The Whig colossus Edmund Burke himself for example was a great attacker of republics and staunch defender of his King.

That is very correct.

If England had been free from the influences of America and France I'm sure we would have gone the same way as France and the rest of Europe and abolished the monarchy in a bloody revolution.