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| Toussaint | Apr 15 2008, 01:59 AM Post #1 |
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Solism. Beyond the small Middle Eastern nation of Solara, the Protestant group had little meaning to anybody. Solism had a long history, but in that history the group had consolidated to a single land, and had expanded little beyond that. Even the Knightly Order of Solara was such a minute world force that it did little to increase the popularity of the church abroad. However, the new Bishop of Edessa, Arthur Ducant, had a vision for his church. He had a vision in which the entire world would be saved, and Solism would span the globe. He had ambition... but without the cooperation of others, this ambition meant little. Arthur chose the words of his letter carefully, before sending it out to the leaders of every nation in the world. The letter was sent as a government document from Solara:
The bishop sealed the letters, send them off, and continued on in prayer. OOC: Some information on Solism can be found in this thread: http://z3.invisionfree.com/nationstates/in...?showtopic=5817 |
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| Sedulius | Apr 15 2008, 02:26 PM Post #2 |
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Dear Bishop Arthur Ducant, The Orthodox Catholic Church of Sedulion disagrees with certain teachings of Solism. However, we of Sedulion are not so stubborn as the Church is outside of our borders, thus we do not call you heretic, as you do indeed know the truth of the Christian faith. We simply disagree on certain technecalities, which has been a foolish reason for schisms for far too long. Specifically, we disagree that the Bible is the sole scripture. When the Bible was formed, many books were kept out not because they were incorrect, but because they distracted from the main message. Such are called the Apochrypha, of which some are true and some are false. We in Sedulion recognize as scripture both the Bible and the Apochrypha recognized as true by Eastern Orthodoxy. We also possibly disagree on the issue of repentance. We view it as something personal between God and a person, not something required. If a person truly feels he is at peace with God, then that is between him and God. However, we recognize that your church is a good one, and that if we let it set up missions in Sedulion, it may indeed help some people to repent and make peace with God. Thus you are welcome to set up your missions on certain conditions. Since we have been successful in uniting all Christians of Sedulion into one communion, we do not want a new fragmentation. If you are to set up missions here, you must not try to convert, but rather you must teach your ideals. You will be argued with, but this is normal as citizens will normally argue with each other on their interpretations of Christianity. We wish you to have communion with us so long as you are in Sedulion. It is freedom of Christianity under one Church. Under these conditions do we allow you to set up missions and monestaries in Sedulion. Also, we welcome your order to set up chapter houses for their knights, but only if they will provide service to Sedulion in time of war. The Knight Brothers of the Brotherhood of Saint Siadhail are a powerful force on the field. We would be glad to teach you some of our techniques. Peace be with you. Grandmaster Stiofan Paul Ui Siadhail. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 15 2008, 02:27 PM Post #3 |
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Open letter to the nations. After carefully examining the doctrines of Solism, we the Christian clergy of the Baltic country unreservedly condemn Solism as a radical revolutionary sect that attacks the essence of the Christian religion and aims to destroy human society. We find no features in the Solist religion that significantly distinguish it from Levellers, Anabaptists, Socialists, Bolsheviks, and other subversives. As a matter of life and death, we therefore totally advise against the spread and popular acceptance of Solism. Signed, The assembled synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Reval The theological faculty of the University of Dorpat (Lutheran) Serafim, Metropolitan of Dorpat (Russian Orthodox) Pavel, Bishop of Reval (Russian Orthodox) Semyon, Bishop of Osel (Russian Orthodox) Casimir Janowski SJ, Papal Legate in the Baltic country (Colognian Catholic) |
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| Sedulius | Apr 15 2008, 02:46 PM Post #4 |
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-Open letter to the nations- We of Sedulion fully disagree with the stances taken in this letter. Solism takes a benevolent stance and seeks to harm no one. So long as they respect unified Christianity in Sedulion, they will be treated with the same respect. Remember Jesus's teaching: Judge not lest ye be judged. It is not our duty to judge these people, but God's. I am ashamed that Bishops of the Orthodox Church would issue such a statement. Signed, Ainmire Ua Tuathail, Archbishop of Damascus |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 15 2008, 03:22 PM Post #5 |
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Private communication From: Metropolitan Serafim of Dorpat To: Archbishop Ainmire of Damascus, and the Church of Damascus We are shocked and appalled by Archbishop Ainmire's comments. We are highly shocked that he publically expresses "shame" at his fellow bishops in the catholic communion, thus damaging the Church in front of the whole world. Even more so, we are shocked and saddened that Archbishop has launched such a vehement and unprovoked assault on Holy Tradition by questioning the powers and authority of the Church. We advise Archbishop Ainmire to carefully examine his soul to determine if he is truly meant to be a hierarch in the Church. As stated by Holy Tradition, the Orthodox Catholic Church is the instrument of God, through which He passes judgment on all the affairs of mankind. If the Archbishop Ainmire finds himself unable to comply with his sacred duty as renderer of judgments, then abdication is his only honorable recourse. Finally, we point out that Solism explicitly seeks to overthrow the rights and duties of all men, whether king, cleric, noble, merchant, tradesman, or peasant. Solism's therefore has unbounded potential to eat away at the fundamental fabric and unity of human society like a putrid rot. Solism's superficial veneer of benevolence hides its true agenda of ransacking and overthrowing all that is worthy, and installing chaos and confusion. Archbishop Ainmire's name has been nullified throughout the Baltic country, and we will petition the Patriarch of Moscow to remove Archbishop Ainmire's name from the patriarchal diptychs. Throughout the Baltic country prayers for Damascus shall be withheld until Archbishop Ainmire recants his heretical, quasi-Calvinistic criticism on Holy Tradition, and apologizes to the Russian Orthodox hierarchy of the Baltic country for his personal insults. We warn that the public and savage attack carried out by Archbishop Ainmire against Holy Tradition and against the solemn work of the Church is automatic grounds for excommunication as prescribed by all the Councils and Synods throughout entire history. Signed, Metropolitan Serafim of Dorpat |
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| Sedulius | Apr 15 2008, 04:44 PM Post #6 |
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From: Archbishop Ainmire Ua Tuathail To: Metropolitan Serafim You insult me with your accusations of heresy and even worse, Calvinism?! Do you not understand the truths of your own relgion? I am a man of God, and I will not falter in the truth. So long as this Solism does not force itself on others, there is nothing wrong with it other than that it rejects the other doctrines. We in Sedulion see nothing wrong with the rejection of material and worldly things. A man may do so and may reject his titles and perhaps be better for it. It is his choice alone. I am sickened at your accusations of Calvinism. He was a sick man who believed in the concept of the elect and absolute predestination. He believed some men were more equal than others. He believed there is no free will. The fact you would associate me with such a heretic is highly insulting. I believe that you, Metropalitan Serafim, and your fellow bishops that signed that letter should reexamine yourselves before God, for you do not seem to understand His truth. I do not insult the True Church, I insult you, for you are indeed a shame to it if you would pass judgement so harshly rather than try to talk with your fellow Christians. Since when did Bishops of the Orthodox Church start acting as a Bishop of Genesian Catholicism would, calling for all heretics to burn? I say that perhaps you and those other bishops should be excommunicated for your attacks on the truth. And you forget that the Patriarch of Moscow is not all powerful in matters of the Church, unless you are saying we have created a Pope of Orthodoxy, in which case would nullify its status as the Orthodox Church being that it would be taking the same path as Rome did a thousand years ago. Are you forgetting about the Patriarch of Alexandria? Are you also forgetting that at any time I could become the Patriarch of Antioch because of my position and excommunicate you if I wished it? Perhaps I am new to this church, but you forget your place. We should be attempting to reunify the churches, not squabble like fools. Why don't you follow Sedulion's example and do so? Do you not have the faith that it will work? For it has here, and we are all now in the truth of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Peace be with you. Signed, Ainmire Ua Tuathail, Archbishop of Damascus |
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| Sedulius | Apr 15 2008, 05:22 PM Post #7 |
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From: Grand Chancellor Christopher O達rian To: Metropolitan Serafim The Grand Forum of Sedulion has taken notice that you frown on socialism. When will people learn that socialism is a system to be combined with other systems, not a belief? Though Sedulion may be ruled by the Brotherhood, it is a highly socialist nation, in which the people enjoy great equality and happiness. No corrupt corporations exist here to swindle the people. Did you know, sir, that the early Christians were indeed socialist, or, dare I say, communist? They shared all of their wealth and property, and it was redistributed as needed by the church. Are you saying that all early Christians, many of whom heard from Christ himself, are heretics as well? To suggest that would suggest that Christ is a heretic. A you a Jew, sir? For I am not, and I believe in Christ's truths. Go back to your mansion and stay there, Metropolitan. Your word carries no weight in Sedulion. Signed, Christopher O達rian, Grand Chancellor of Sedulion |
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| Toussaint | Apr 15 2008, 05:28 PM Post #8 |
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Dear Grandmaster Stiofan Paul Ui Siadhail, We were, of course, expecting minor disagreements between our two faiths. However, we also anticipated your nation to be open minded enough to give our faith a chance to meet your common people, and hopefully bing a positive influence. We respect your views on scripture, though I have my own disagreements. I've also my own reservations about repentance. I do not, however, wish to enter a theocratic debate with you. We are simply pleased that you will allow our missions to come and give our teachings. Sedulion's ideal of freedom of Christianity is an interesting one. We will comply with your rules and restrictions, and our missions will not be sent to convert, but rather to teach. We shall dispatch missions as soon as you will allow them to enter your nations cities. A partnership of our armed knights would be quite pleasing. An exchange of chapter houses and bases would be possible, if you would agree. I would also like to invite you to come to Edessa, so that we may discuss extending relations on an even further scale. God bless, Bishop Arthur Ducant. --------------------------------- We are truly disgusted on the position the Baltic German religious authorities have taken upon our church. Solism is a religion of Christ- and as such, we believe in brotherhood of man. Naming our church to be evil is not befitting of a religious institution. -Bishop Arthur Ducant |
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| Sedulius | Apr 15 2008, 06:01 PM Post #9 |
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To the Bishop Arthur Ducant: I am afraid the Grandmaster is not available right now, but he has told me that he welcomes your missions to the cities of Sedulion. He was also quite enthusiastic about the partnership of our orders, and would be happy to exchange chapter houses and bases. He has also stated that he will come to Edessa when the oppurtunity permits. We are currently experiencing certain crises that require his personal attention. Signed, Knight Master Justinian Vallinius, Voice of the Order |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 15 2008, 06:03 PM Post #10 |
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From: Metropolitan Serafim of Dorpat To: Archbishop Ainmire Ua Tuahthail of Damascus Your words are imbecilic. The Russian Orthodox Church is loving and kind to all of its subjects, even heretics and infidels. The Russian Empire is a multinational and multiethnic state encompassing not only true and orthodox believers, but also Lutheran Germans and Finns, Jesuitical Poles, Muslim Tatars, Jews, and even pagan spirit-worshippers and naked Buddhist monks, all of whom are share the roads through the vast forests and steppes of Russia under the fatherly benevolence of the Emperor. To accuse me of "calling for all heretics to burn" is defamatory and ignorant, and is a direct insult to the Christian clergy and faithful throughout Russia who work daily for Christian ideals. Perhaps the backwater of Sedulion has adopted the barbaric assumptions of its violent neighbors, and does not pay heed to the Christian brotherly love practiced in Russia. Yet my deep love for Russia is tempered by my awareness of the dangers to her very existence. The special harmony achieved in the country is under threat by novel ideas that have no respect for the old and the pre-existent, and seek to tear down what is already built up. Solism is a new religion that is alien to the soil of Russia, and seeks to abolish her culture and special relationship with God, and replace it by trite and superficial practices that sever the Russian of today with the profound and sublime heritage of his forebears- the heritage passed down to him from his father and his father's father, and which will be passed on to his son, his son's sons, forever til the Day Judgement. As such, no Russian shall be allowed to foolishly cast away his culture and his entire existence, just so that he may hear the deluding words of these alien preachers and convert to their perverted sect. Archbishop Ainmire, your superficial understanding of Solism is troubling and distressing. The rejection of worldly things can only be accompanied by Godly discipline, not this atheistical democratic anarchy espoused by the Solaric preachers who prod on men to negligently resign from their duties and commitments to their fellow men. Furthermore, the rejection of worldly things is already the highest and most honored aspiration in Orthodox Christianity, held in esteem beyond all other paths of life, and is enshrined in the precepts of monasticism. Yet this disciplined and holy tonsured life is not for everybody, for God did not make everyone an aspiring monk. Instead, God endowed different talents, aspirations, and duties into each individual, so that each individual may seek and glorify Him with the unique aspect of his own abilities, whether in worldly tasks such as raising a family and pursuing a trade, or in purely spiritual matters such as mastering the canon and administering the rites. That the Solaric Church preaches to overthrow this natural and Godly order of things by abolishing all earthly duties and offices and roles and commitments, is Satanic; for the Earth is as much the domain of God as is Heaven, and to run amok on earth is the equivalent of allying with Satan against God. Furthermore your accusation that I want to install the Patriarch of Moscow as a "Pope of Orthodoxy" is ridiculous. I only defer to Patriarch Tikhon's judgment because he is my direct superior, and my episcopal see is within the jurisdiction of Moscow. When a blasphemer hurls insults at me, why would I first petition the Patriarch of Alexandria or Patriarch of Anticoh rather than petitioning the Patriarch of Moscow? If I did not first go with my concerns to the Patriarch of Moscow, and instead snuck around the other patriarchal cathedrals behind his back, I would not only be guilty of dishonoring and disrespecting him, I would be a nuisance and an interference in the affairs of the other autocephalous churches. Your bewildering and insane accusations against me betray an irrational paranoia on your part. Finally, you suggest we must "follow" Sedulion's example and seek the unity of the Christian Churches. Unexcusably, you do not seem to realize that unity can only come under the timeless dogmas of the Church Fathers! For Christianity to be unified in any other way, whether under the "Solaric Church" or the Church of Genesis City, is not to achieve a true offering of unity for God, but is actually to offer mankind as a unified army to Satan for his use against God. Archbishop Ainmire, you seem to have truly forgotten your duties as a hierarch of the Orthodox Catholic Church. You clearly have no respect for Holy Tradition, and seek to uproot all that is sacred and venerable from the soil of the earth. Whatever the Church Fathers honored, you dishonor; whatever John Chrysostomos and Gregory Nazianzen revered, you spit upon; whatever John the Damascene and Photios the Great deemed immutable and unchangeable, you change and mutate in your relentless quest to disrupt and alter the edifice of the Holy Catholic Church. Signed, Metropolitan Serafim of Dorpat
From: Metropolitan Serafim of Dorpat To: Grand Chancellor Christopher O達rian The very terms "socialism" and "communism" were invented by atheists of the most monstrous intentions, and are therefore strictly forbidden for consideration by true believing Christians. The distribution of alms as a boon and mercy to the poor is a timeless tradition of all Christendem, is overseen by Church and civil authorities, and predates your secular, atheistical, materialistically-motivated "redistribution of wealth" by 2000 years. Yet you tirelessly seek to mix perverse atheistical socialism with the Christian religion, when brotherly love and almsgiving are already part of the Christian tradition long before the violent radicals and revolutionaries invented the very thing of socialism. For that you should truly fear for your soul. Meanwhile no corrupt corporations exist in Russia either. Corporations and all other manifestations of modern "capitalism" are on the flip side of socialism on the coin of evil materialist ideology. Corporations in Russia are strictly controlled by the benevolent guiding hand of the Russian Emperor so that the Russian people will not be victimized by capitalistic greed. As for the early Christians, they were neither socialist nor communist. By its very definition invented by the deluder, Marx, socialism presupposes that all of mankind's ills will be solved by materialist means only, and that this material world is all that is important, or all that can be seen by human eyes. Socialism is therefore a truly blasphemous ideology, for the Kingdom of Heaven - the final culmination of man - is not of this existence, is not attainable by atheist materialist means, and can only be seen by the soul's eye. The Kingdom of Heaven is attained by Godly means first and foremost - Godly in all endeavors, whether spiritual, worldly, and all other of the infinite qualities of human existence. The Lord, the Apostles, and the Church Fathers practiced true Godly Christianity, as reflected in their boundless mercy and piety and involvement in the world, and would wholeheartedly approve of the Christian Empire that has been built in Russia, while simultaneously condemning as unspeakably Satanic this terribly disfigured, socialist society in Sedulion that hates Holy Tradition, preaches the destruction of the Church's authority, and seeks to turn true orthodox Christians into mindless Calvinists. Signed, Metropolitan Serafim of Dorpat |
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| Sedulius | Apr 15 2008, 11:56 PM Post #11 |
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From: Knight Master Justinian Vallinius To: Metropolitan Serafim It seems you have been given quite a bit of trouble. I have reviewed the letters between you and the Archbishop and the Grand Chancellor. I do not know why the letters weren't cleared through me first. Something has gone amiss. I myself do not care so much to debate about religion. I am a man of state. However, I cannot but notice certain validities in their arguments, and certain fallacies in your own. You seem to be hell-bent on rejecting this Solism, while tolerating other heathens. That is self-contradictory. Also, after analyzing Solism, I cannot find anything Calvinistic or athiestical about it. I do not see where your accusations are based. Furthermore, you do not seem to have much knowledge in political science or history. Though that is more the Grandmaster's forte than my own, I do realize there is something called the seperation of church and state. I also realize that someone's political views should not affect how they are judged in their religion. That would be somewhat dictatorial. I also remember of how basically socialist governments were set up long before Christ, and that there was redistribution of wealth with early Christians. You accusations thus seem null. I also fail to see why you continue to talk about Russia, and why you insult the people of Sedulion. Neither are on trial here. The people of Sedulion are a good and loving people who follow God wholeheartedly. If the Grandmaster had read what you said of his people, well I'm not sure what he would do. From what I can see this has nothing to do with the people, but rather malice against a religion for a few simple differences, which really just doesn't seem right. I am sorry for the unprovoked comments of the Archbishop and the Grand Chancellor, but I can see that there are serious issues here. The Grandmaster himself does not know of these letters, as he has been far too busy with certain crises lately. Feel free to say what you wish of Ainmire or Christopher. I never really liked them anyways. However, if you say something to insult the people of Sedulion again, I will have to inform the Grandmaster, and he will not be pleased. I reccomend that a stance taken by the Patriarchs on Solism before any other arguments or suggestions be made. You should likely not be going over their heads and should be letting them take a stance on the issue. I ask that you please stay out of the affairs of Sedulion for now, as there are certain internal issues being dealt with right now. The Grandmaster does not need the stress of another incident on his hands right now. Otherwise, feel free to do whatever you wish. Also, I assure you that the people of Sedulion have the utmost respect for the Church, aside from whatever is said by others. Signed, Knight Master Justinian Vallinius |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 16 2008, 01:53 AM Post #12 |
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"Alexanderhaven does not recognize any church outside the One True Church of Christ. As such, while Solaric Christianity will not be tolerated under the flag of Alexanderhaven, we will not, for the sake of tact and better relations with all of our Orthodox brothers, chastise those who do make the mistake of associating with these sub-sects and cults who claim to be in the name of Christ." - Statement from Archbishop Michael I of Alexanderhavem OOC- Do note that the Archbishop is particularly fundamentalist in his beliefs, so this coming from him is rather kind. |
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| Sedulius | Apr 16 2008, 01:26 PM Post #13 |
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OOC: My only problem so far is that the RL Orthodox Church isn't so extreme. They are very tolerant of Protestants, and have in fact stated before that going through their specific church is not the only way to be saved. Thus I find it very hard which way to go here. I don't want to alienate Sedulion from the rest of the Orthodox Church, because that would be a disaster for too many plotlines. But I don't want to back down from what is right. I guess we could put up the excuse that Ainmire was Catholic and rather than excommunicating him he could be sent off to a Orthodox theology school. It would be embarrasing for him, but not disgraceful. I just can't let this distract from my current plotlines. I'm Orthodox in real life, and this Solism in my opinion really doesn't look heretical at all. Even if it were, the Orthodox church would be much more forgiving and if anything would try to educate the new sect about their errors. But, so long as this is all RP and nothing directed at insulting Orthodoxy, I guess I'm fine. Not really though... this isn't what being Orthodox is about... |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 16 2008, 03:05 PM Post #14 |
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OOC- Do note that nothing here is according to RL. Of the two Catholic Churches here, one is much like the current RL Roman Catholic Church (Colognian), and the other is much more like the Catholic Church of the old days that used to persecute people left and right (Genesian). Similarly, the Orthodox Church here is not the Orthodox Church of today but rather the Byzantine Empire of old. This is why I keep telling you not to go too much for realism with these things. We have our own world and our own history of how it developed. |
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| Sedulius | Apr 16 2008, 03:20 PM Post #15 |
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OOC: I'm not sure if even the Byzantine Church was so extreme. It's always been a pretty damn good church. I guess what I really have to ask is if the Orthodox Church (or certain officials in it) has some sort of corrupt power agendas in the game, rather than just the good of the people in mind. Sorry if I'm asking an obvious question, but the Grandmaster himself can't be a part of that. He wants reunification, not more fractures, but he will split if the Orthodox church has deviated from the truth. However, I will probably consent in the end in the name of stability if this is absolutely how the other Orthodox powers want it to go. That's why I reccomended that the Patriarchs take a stance on it. I am Machiavellian after all... I'll find a way around. :P |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 16 2008, 03:45 PM Post #16 |
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OOC- Dude, this is a world where exageration happens. Our world is not the real world. You not being apart of it because it deviates from the truth makes no sense. What truth? RL truth? You can't expect that to be the case. Let go of RL assumptions and just play alongm otherwise your not going to enjoy yourself at all. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 16 2008, 03:48 PM Post #17 |
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OOC: I can't speak for Kas but Alexanderhaven is the most extreme of all the Orthodox churches in NSWR so their views generally aren't the views of the other Orthodox churches. RD may correct me if I'm wrong but most of the Orthodox churches of NSWR have never and probably would never definitively opine on whether the Orthodox church is the sole means of salvation, and the only certain position in such matters is reserved against Papism, and certain of the Protestant doctrines. I hypothesize that the source of the misunderstanding may be that the role of the Orthodox Church, and religion in general, on NSWR is vastly different from RL, and unfamiliar to you. NSWR religion is much like the religion of pre-modern times. In the NSWR world religion is primarily considered a public and community matter, rather than a private matter. This mindset is held by essentially every society and community from centuries ago, but is rarely held by any society or community today. Therefore, religion is intimately intertwined with every aspect of politics and society, and is not merely an intellectual exercise. The "acceptableness" of a minority religion is not only considered on theological grounds, but also on political and social grounds - whether it is compatible with a society's cultural temperament, whether it is compatible with the established political powers and social order, etc. The motivation of the Baltic Russian hierarchs to condemn Solism is therefore not merely doctrinal, but politically, socially, and culturally motivated. Solism resembles a fundamentalist Charismatic sect, which they see as threatening to the social order and traditional culture of Russia. (This is actually even seen in this day and age in Russia, where "new religions" like Mormonism, "born-again" evangelicals, and Charistmatics are severely frowned upon.) Meanwhile, on NSWR, this attitiude is not only the stance of the Orthodox church, but many other sects, including Catholics and even traditional Protestants (Lutherans and Calvinists). That is why in the Baltic country Lutherans and Catholics are as fearful of Solism as are the Orthodox, because Solism represents a challenge to the existing arrangement of society. NSWR Orthodox countries do not like the new, and prefer the old. That is because we are trying to capture in RP the traditional Orthodox temperament about preservation - preservation of society, preservation of the existent, etc. Revolution and disturbances of what exists are believed to be the path to anarchy. "Modern" Orthodoxy is definitely what we're not aiming for here. Speaking OOC, some on the forum would assert that "modern" Orthodoxy is already too liberal, and that it isn't what being Orthodox is about. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 16 2008, 03:53 PM Post #18 |
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^ Yeah thats a better explanation than mine. And yes, Alexanderhaven is the most extreme of the Orthodox states due to its history. TC got it right. ^_^ |
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| Sedulius | Apr 16 2008, 04:19 PM Post #19 |
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OOC: Alright, I understand. It is much like how the church was involved in medieval Europe. Thanks for the explanation. I'm sorry if I've made this go too amiss then. Well in that case... WAR CLERICS! Gonna have some armored up clergy that kills people with maces. :P And I guess I have to admit I am very intolerant of certain religions, like Mormo... ahem. Plus I don't like liberals... Well, I'll let this go. I set it up in a way which Solism won't affect my social order anyways. But that is one thing, this Solism does not actually require titles and material to be given up, from the way I interpreted it. |
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| Toussaint | Apr 16 2008, 04:27 PM Post #20 |
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OOC: It does not. It simply states that in the eyes of God, we're all the same, and as such on Earth those in positions of authority should show generosity to those socially lower than them. Noblesse Oblige/ quasi socialism. |
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| Sedulius | Apr 16 2008, 04:43 PM Post #21 |
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OOC: And that's why I like it. :P SOCIALISM FOREVER! B) |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 16 2008, 06:22 PM Post #22 |
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OOC: The belief that souls are equal in the eyes of God is not held by any Catholic, Orthodox, or Lutheran church in the Russian Baltic and is considered an extremely dangerous doctrine. If I'm not mistaken this is also the consensus of Orthodox churches around the NSWR world. Noblesse oblige on the other hand is the basic ethical system in the Baltic country, since it is a highly hierarchical society. Whether all the aristocrats fulfill their noblesse oblige duties is another question though. |
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| Quaon | Apr 16 2008, 06:49 PM Post #23 |
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It has come to our attention that a nation that embraces Protestantism has sprung up in what used to be the territory of the Empire of the Romans. This nation's name is Solara, and the state professes an odd faith called Solism. This Solic Church is headed by the Bishop of Edessa, Arthur Ducant. We will not pass judgement on the Solic faith or the Solaric nation. However, we declare that it is an evil thing that the lands of the old Empire do not recognize the Emperor, His Majesty Tsar Paul II Romanov. It is unjust that the lands of the Romans show disdain for the Orthodox faith, and the Roman Emperor. We call upon the princes and bishops of Solara to recognize the Emperor of the Romans as the paramount authority in the Solaric nation, and for the Orthodox Church to be granted co-equal status with the Solic faith. Signed, Epiphonias IV, Archbishop of Cyprus OOC: Siad, are you Russian? |
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| Sedulius | Apr 16 2008, 07:54 PM Post #24 |
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OOC: No, but people think I'm Russian for some reason. I think it has something to do with vodka... I'm actually Irish. Still doesn't change anything about the vodka... As far as that all souls are not equal thing, THAT is Calvinism. I'm pretty sure most Orthodox would think souls are equal. It's all about interpretation. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 16 2008, 08:38 PM Post #25 |
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OOC: It all depends on what is refered to by equality of souls. Calvinists and most other Protestants would believe that those who are saved are equally favored by God and have an equal share of heaven. Traditional Orthodox (perhaps not modern Orthodox) would believe that even though many people go to heaven and many to hell, those in heaven do not all receive the same rewards, and those in hell do not all receive the same punishments, because not everyone in heaven is equally favored, nor everyone in hell equally disfavored, by God. |
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