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| Topic Started: Apr 12 2008, 11:03 PM (891 Views) | |
| Union | Apr 12 2008, 11:03 PM Post #1 |
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OOC: Full ToK members only IC: In the event that the nation of Cerdone act on her pledge to defend Andorra, and in the event Andorra does not accept the Hispanic ultimatum and war becomes an inevetability; The Hispanic High Command has drawn up plans: Hispania has secured support militarily from the powers of Pascoag, WRK, and Menhad. The Menhadian territory of Denmark, and the Pascoagian territory of Norway present the greatest immediate threats from Cerdonian aggression. The navy of Germany and Menhad both were saved from major conflict in Georgia. Seeing this, we request support in blocking off the Strait and stopping Cerdone before it may reach Andorra. At the same time, the majority of our own navy will enter the blockade, and we feel it would be wise for the WRK to do the same. We request that all the ToK close their airspace to Draxis and Imperial Kasnyia, powers within JAUST, but otherwise not engage in any military moves against them. If the powers of Cerdone and Porcu can be stopped in Denmark, the ground and air forces of Hispania and the WRK may easily take Andorra. We will not request that nations that suffered greatly in Georgia be involved in this potential conflict. We hope that they can aid in non-military ways, such as the closing of airspace, and ports to enemy powers. --Hispanic High Command-- |
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| Quaon | Apr 12 2008, 11:18 PM Post #2 |
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The CRQ has just lost a million men fighting in Georgia. We do not fault our Russian allies for this event. We fought on the side of freedom. If I were a religious man, I would pray for the safety of the Georgian people at this very moment, for they are no doubt having their rights curtailed by the Scythirian occupation forces. That cause was just. The Andorran people do not have their rights threatened. The Cerdone government is not an oppressive one. We will not fight in any war for the annexation of Andorra to Hispania, nor will we commit agression against our ally and neighbor Draxis. Comrade Vladimer Zubkov Ambassador to the Treaty of Konigsberg for the Communist Republic |
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| Union | Apr 13 2008, 08:04 AM Post #3 |
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We are not asking for aggression. We are asking for closing Quoanian airspace to military craft. |
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| NRE | Apr 13 2008, 08:50 AM Post #4 |
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Russia will have to agree with our Quaonian allies and neighbors. Though we understand you are not calling for aggressive acts against Draxis or the Drax people, you must understand that the closing of airspace will only go to agitate good relations that the Russian Empire, for one, has with Draxis. If war comes to Hispania then by the agreement of the treaty, Russia will pledge what little it has at the moment to Hispania's defense. However, we will not and cannot aid Hispania in any attempt to annex Andorra. Though it is true that Andorra harbor radical ideas that could have damaged the foundation of many an Empire in Europe, her country did pledge soldiers in the war in Georgia. Since their national government seems to have dissolved, the least we can do is ensure no Russian soldier ever touches her soil and brings danger to her people. Therefore we humbly request a diplomatic solution be found, perhaps a summit to determine the fate of Andorra can be held. We'd certainly be willing Moscow or St. Petersburg as a location for such a summit. -Russian Delegate Aleksei Antropov |
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| Union | Apr 13 2008, 09:20 AM Post #5 |
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The Andorrans have attacked us. Under the treaty, the ToK is required to defend us. We are not asking for that, merely that military aircraft, carrying troops and supplies from Draxis, not be allowed free passage through your airspace. |
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| Ignatius | Apr 13 2008, 09:33 AM Post #6 |
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Official Belgian Statement Despite our precarious position in South America, the Belgian Kingdom recognizes this potential threat to its own interests in Lower Denmark (Belgian Province) and will dispatch the 2nd Royal Fleet to bolster the Menhadian blockade of Cerdone-Porcuian Naval Units near Menhad and the "Belgian" Denmark. - King Leopold Amaedo |
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| NRE | Apr 13 2008, 09:40 AM Post #7 |
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Fair enough, abiding by the obligations of this treaty, and as a personal favor to a nation that aided Russia in a time of great need, The Empire will close it's airspace to any and all military aircraft from the nation of Draxis. However, as a neighbor and friend of the Drax people we will be seeking some sort of negotiations with the nation of Draxis to end hostilities. We hope the Hispania will follow suit as diplomacy is the best option in this matter. Russia will also pledge what relief aid we have to spare to Hispania should war come to her shores. -Russian Delegate Aleksei Antropov OOC: Russia agreed, but it really doesn't feel it was necessary as really for the aerial blockade to be effective you'd need to get Helmetia on board, if they're not already :unsure: [EDIT:] Hey wait a second, unless i misread something, Draxis pledged to support Hispanic expansion and annexation. Why then do we need to close our air space? |
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| Union | Apr 13 2008, 10:29 AM Post #8 |
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OOC: Draxis is a part of JAUST, of which Andorra is also a member. As for the aerial blockade, they may be able to go through Helmetia, but then there's Pascoag, etc. For Draxis to get to Iberia they would have to go around North Africa, through the Sahara, or through the Artic Circle, past Iceland, and back. In short, it severly limits what he can feasibly do. |
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| Quaon | Apr 13 2008, 12:23 PM Post #9 |
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We have no evidence that the Andorran government was behind the attacks. If the Andorran government wished to attack Hispania, then it would seem that they would use the full power of their military, rather than sending out a small group of fifteen men to raid the Hispanic countryside. That sort of actions seems too absurd for a government as powerful as the Andorran government to perpertrate. Those men that attacked Hispania were almost certainly terrorists without any link to the Andorran government. Quaon encourages Hispania to not let this attack be the catalyst for a bloodbath across Iberia. I encourage your government to seek a diplomatic resolution with Cerdone and Andorra. You are about to start a war based on the same sort of misunderstanding that the Chiron-JAUST war was started on. Comrade Vladimer Zubkov Ambassador to the Treaty of Konigsberg for Communist Republic |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 13 2008, 12:27 PM Post #10 |
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"The Kingdom disagrees with the Communist Republic. Were Andorra not responsible for this attack, they would be denying it vehemently. For them to not even bother to deny the attack in such manner, they must consider this a war on the ground already. If they had any care for stopping a war, they would be sending a consul out to defend themselves against such charges. That they are not suggests that their men are already preparing for a wider scale attack. Every moment we tarry, more Spanish lives are in danger. "The Kingdom is currently negotiating with Imperial Kasnyia in hopes of finding a diplomatic solution that would prevent JAUST from getting involved, and thus avoid scaling up the war that Andorra and Cerdone have started. But we must not be fools: Andorra and Cerdone have started a war and care nothing for the consequences." |
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| Quaon | Apr 13 2008, 12:57 PM Post #11 |
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Nonetheless, the CRQ requests that Hispania agree to the Russian proposal for a conference on the fate of Andorra. We support the incorporation of Andorra into the Kingdom of Spain, for it will at last bring a lasting peace to Iberia, but my government cannot support such an incorporation by force. Comrade Vladimer Zubkov Ambassador to the Treaty of Konigsberg for Communist Republic |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 13 2008, 01:03 PM Post #12 |
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"Comrade, "Everybody here understands that Quaon cannot send men in force. Georgia is fresh in our minds. Furthermore, if the Treaty as a whole is not invoked, we may be able to negotiate the Kasnyians to use their power and keep JAUST as a whole out of the war. "Regarding a conference, a Third Iberian Peace Summit may be a boon, but we defer to the Spaniards in such matters." |
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| Menhad | Apr 13 2008, 03:07 PM Post #13 |
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"The plan set forth by Hispania sounds the best. We believe that Menhadien, with German and Pascoag assistance, will be able to completely blockade Cerdone forces, and keep them in the Baltic. Menhad will begin construction of shore batteries. But Menhad has one little request, that Hipania denounces the Gassel regime, I would imagine that Hispania already has problems with Gassel, over the detaining of Hispania diplomate." Posted Image Iain Wallace Representative to the Treaty of Konigsberg |
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| Union | Apr 13 2008, 03:09 PM Post #14 |
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We have already withdrawn recognition of Gassel. |
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| Menhad | Apr 13 2008, 03:17 PM Post #15 |
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"Good good. A major question I have is, will Cerdone try to invade Pascoagian lands? If so Menhad will be able to send enough men to aid in the defence. But if not then Menhad will be able to open a new front against Andorra." Posted Image Iain Wallace Representative to the Treaty of Konigsberg |
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| Union | Apr 13 2008, 03:34 PM Post #16 |
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We are speaking with the Rafzakael Syndicat to see whether they may place many well trained mercanary teams along the border with Cerdone, to engage in acts of sabatoge should Cerdone violate Pascoagian borders. Furthermore, the Menhadian army would be better served defending Norway, and perhaps invading Cerdone, than in Iberia - Hispania and the WRK are more than enough to take Andorra alone, and if Cerdone never even reaches Iberia, the situation becomes even easier. |
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| Draxis | Apr 13 2008, 04:10 PM Post #17 |
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OOC: I'm just curious... am I still going to get my airspace blockaded? Or is that old news... or is this like some crazy ToK tradition I do not know about where you blockade each others airspace when one tries to help another out? How you guys became the largest powerbase in europe like that I shall never understand... |
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| Union | Apr 13 2008, 06:15 PM Post #18 |
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OOC: Old news. :P |
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| lebowski2123 | Apr 13 2008, 06:20 PM Post #19 |
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As a representative of the nation which created this treaty and its terms, I feel it necessary to mention the exact text of Article 5, as follows
There has been, to my understanding, no formal declaration of war by Andorra, in which case the Article is not yet invoked, and fellow members are not required to participate/aid in this effort by Hispania. Unless Andorra, Cerdone or any other aggressor formally declares a state of war, this will not change. As for German policy, we agree with the WRK's proposal to work out an agreement with Kasnyia and JAUST as a whole, but will declare a no fly zone for Cerdonian aircraft, as well as mobilize but not deploy our Baltic Navy. |
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| Union | Apr 13 2008, 06:20 PM Post #20 |
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Is not a violation of territorial soviergnty by military personnel tantamount to a declaration of war? Nonetheless, we do not want to invoke Article VI. We are asking nations to come to our aid as friends and allies, not because of treaty requirements. |
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| Toussaint | Apr 13 2008, 06:21 PM Post #21 |
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OOC: Andorra has offered to allow Hispanic inspectors come find the terrorists, and has called for a peace conference. Hispania is sooo the aggressor here. <_< |
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| lebowski2123 | Apr 13 2008, 06:24 PM Post #22 |
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OOC: I'm assuming that was IC IC: The "violation" you speak of is not a sustained incursion, only a temporary, albeit destructive, action within your borders of unknown origin. Unless a declaration of war is issued or substantial evidence is brought forth, Germany will not consider this isolated action a clear act of warlike intention and inherently a declaration of war. |
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| Union | Apr 13 2008, 06:27 PM Post #23 |
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Forgive us, we're simply trying to understand; Would a massive bombing campaign troughout Germany, without an accompanying declaration of war by the enemy, thus void Article VI for Germany? If not, why should we wait? How do we know this is the only attack. Maybe they're moving bombs in Barcelona. The more we wait, the more Hispanic lives are at risk. However, we are not going to invoke Article VI, merely ask Germany, as our friends, to come to our aid. |
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| Toussaint | Apr 13 2008, 06:29 PM Post #24 |
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OOC: Because a massive bombing campaign and the unprovable killing (without the use of weapons) of a few guys are exactly the same, right? :rolleyes: |
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| lebowski2123 | Apr 13 2008, 06:30 PM Post #25 |
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Sir, perhaps you do not make a distinction between a massive bombing campaign and an isolated border incident, but the government and people of Germany do. Perhaps bombs are being moved, but war based upon speculation is a dangerous proposition. You are perfectly within your right to mobilize your forces in anticipation of such a strike, as well as request the aid of your allies. But until this bombs fall sir, Germany will not act as if they have. Furthermore, I call your attention to Germany's compliance with your proposals for victory in the event of war. Hardly a subversive policy. |
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