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An Expansionary Conference; Rafzakael, Hungary, and Helmetia
Topic Started: Apr 7 2008, 06:32 PM (585 Views)
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Hungary is glad to see recognized its own natural historical borders.

I belivem to my own personal experience that AU goverments is very hard to understand the rights of nations to have back their own land.

As first-minister of Hunagry, i prefer to not declare war unless strictly necessary and unless the victory is certain.
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Rafzakael
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Apr 9 2008, 07:18 PM
OOC: There is NO way the Confederation will allow this.  This is just warmongering by Rafzakael.

OOC: There is NO way that the Syndicat will give a damn. And last I checked, A-B didn't posess or have alliances with the areas in question, so it would be Confederation warmongering, if anything.
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Also the one getting screwed in this deal, as I was trying to hint to before since he will be absolutely surrounded...
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Apr 9 2008, 06:40 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Apr 9 2008, 06:39 PM
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Apr 9 2008, 06:34 PM
OOC: What's "34th rule"?

OOC: Look it up. I aint your damn search engine.

OOC: Whoa, calm down there...

OOC: If I say something that's not in bold green then you can safely assume it's an unimportant pop culture reference - like my last two posts. :P

Probably wasn't wise of me to respond to a question about a reference with another reference... (reference). Sorry about that.
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OOC:

Of course expansionism is war-mongering.
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Apr 9 2008, 06:58 PM
OOC:

Of course expansionism is war-mongering.

OOC: There's expanding with the risk of drawing a war, and then there's expanding KNOWING that you're going to draw a war. Very big difference.

I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong, of course, I'm just pointing it out.
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Apr 9 2008, 07:01 PM
Romanus Diogenes
Apr 9 2008, 06:58 PM
OOC:

Of course expansionism is war-mongering.

OOC: There's expanding with the risk of drawing a war, and then there's expanding KNOWING that you're going to draw a war. Very big difference.

I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong, of course, I'm just pointing it out.

OOC: Good point. It seems to me that this is expanding KNOWING that they are going to draw a war, the latter of your options.

I agree they aren't doing anything wrong, but when a nation expands and another attempts to block them, I usually consider the expander the aggressor.
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OOC- I just don't see the justifications really...for the blocking I mean. Especially for Helmetia.
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Apr 9 2008, 08:03 PM
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Apr 9 2008, 07:01 PM
Romanus Diogenes
Apr 9 2008, 06:58 PM
OOC:

Of course expansionism is war-mongering.

OOC: There's expanding with the risk of drawing a war, and then there's expanding KNOWING that you're going to draw a war. Very big difference.

I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong, of course, I'm just pointing it out.

OOC: Good point. It seems to me that this is expanding KNOWING that they are going to draw a war, the latter of your options.

I agree they aren't doing anything wrong, but when a nation expands and another attempts to block them, I usually consider the expander the aggressor.

OOC: Unless the blocker has no legitimate interest in the territories. If Austro-Bayern wishes to raise an objection through diplomatic channels, it may feel free to do so when this is announced.
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OOC-Technically IC our countries wouldn't know we would be expanding and drawing a war, becuase we are in a closed conference that no one knows exists. After we get out and announce it and everyone gets angry THEN it would be knowing. IC us being oblivious to ya'll is perfectly fine :P But back to an earlier point, it seems this wasn't a wise bit for a few greedy people to say "well we own this now" and I'm fine with NRE decision if he tones it down a bit, as for the moment...

IC- This seem like a gracious amount, and thus we shall accept.
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OCC: However AU is unable to explain me beacuse doesen't wish to allow Hungarian expansion
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Ostankov straightened his tie. "Very well. However, I believe it would be best if were to allow some of the current tension in our region to pass before we make our respective announcements. Our neighbors seem to be a bit high-strung at the moment, and there is no telling what may be interpreted as a causus belli."
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Apr 10 2008, 05:30 AM
OCC: However AU is unable to explain me beacuse doesen't wish to allow Hungarian expansion

OOC: Uh, HELLO, we DID let them expand!

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The agreement ceded Vas, Gyor-Moson Sopron, Komarom-Esztergom to the Confederation and Fejer, Tolna, Somogy, and Baranya to Hungary.
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OOC: This is response to a request to update the European map with the above changes. As I said you are more than welcome to discuss and agree on an annexation, however now you have to make your intentions known publicly to the rest of Europe. Whether I grant this annexation or not will be determined on how the rest of Europe reacts and how you handle yourselves to that reaction.
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Apr 9 2008, 05:30 PM
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OOC: Red portions to Hunagry, green to Rafzakael, and blue to Helmetia.

OOC: Here is the most recent agreement, to which Hunagry, Helmetia, and Rafzakael all agree, both IC and OOC. Is this what you meant by "the above changes," or did you mean A-B's post? 'Casue he isn't at the conference.
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OOC: Yeah I'm confused too. NRE, those annexations I posted have as far as I know been accepted without complaint, given that the RP regarding them ended some weeks ago.
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Apr 14 2008, 05:42 PM
OOC: Yeah I'm confused too. NRE, those annexations I posted have as far as I know been accepted without complaint, given that the RP regarding them ended some weeks ago.

OOC: Which RP was this? Last I saw was the "Von Doom to Austro-Bayern" thread, where you guys failed to reach an agreement.
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OOC: In the "Hungary Mobilize" thread, we come to that agreement. Von Doom/Hungary is apparently dissatisfied with it and keeps ignoring it, but it WAS signed by him.
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My apologies I was confused, however, the above statement is still half correct. Whenever those players here agree "IC" to whatever annexation you all agree to, you will have to make it publicly known to the rest of Europe. I will base whether or not you get the annexation on Europe's reaction, as I do with any annexation.

As for this other annexation agreement between AU and Hungary, I'll deal with it in it's proper thread. I apologize for the confusion.
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Apr 14 2008, 05:20 PM
OOC: In the "Hungary Mobilize" thread, we come to that agreement. Von Doom/Hungary is apparently dissatisfied with it and keeps ignoring it, but it WAS signed by him.

OCC: again the treaty is valid only toward western Hungary and will be respected
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