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Private Request; Closed to Observers
Topic Started: Feb 16 2008, 10:09 PM (354 Views)
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The Kingdom of Hispania would like to move for the removal of Kasnyia as an observer member state until the situation is under control.

Under the current civil war, Kasnyia presents a security risk. Who knows whether the diplomat is a Royal, an Imperial, or a Topaz? Who knows what information they may or may not leak.

Hispania fears that accepting an observer in the middle of their civil war is a security risk to the Treaty overall.

At the very least, we must suspend their membership.
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Civil war is over Hispania. Its been several months since the civil war.
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OOC: Are there mutliple sides claiming legitimate rule over the same territory?
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OOC- How do you mean? :huh:
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OOC: Do two or more leader claim rightful leadership of Kasnyian territory? Are they both prepared to fight, either now in the future, to defend their claims, or expand them?

This is merely a cease-fire in an ongoing civil war.
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OOC- No active fighting is going on. What you see in the Escape From Kasnyia thread is several months in the past, and a continuation of the civil war thread.
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OOC: Just because no active fighting is going on doesn't mean the conflict is over. There was no fighting in Chechnya for a good five years. Several civil wars in Africa have had years of peace before civil war continues where it left off.

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OOC- The point is, there is no security risk.
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OOC: The point is, Hispania merely wants Kasnyia out of the ToK, and is making up an excuse. :lol:
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lebowski2123
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Germany will temporarily abstain from taking part in this discussion due to potential conflicts in interest.
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The Communist Republic of Quiaon strongly opposes Hispania's proposal.

Comrade Vladimer Zubkov
Ambassador to the Treaty of Konigsberg for the Communist Republic
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The Kingdom of Belgium is alarmed by the current state of affairs taking place in Kasnyia, and does understand Hispania's concern over a potential security leak within the ToK.
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OOC- Yeah, even though he recognizes Gassel. Some security risk... <_<
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OOC - B)


"Belgium, of course, will abstain from voting at the subject at hand for the moment.." - King Leopold Amaedo II of Belgium
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Hispania would like to hear other opinions on the matter.

Both the Imperialist and Gassel Government are tyrants, and both are responsible for thousands of deaths over time. While both claim legit ownership over the same land, we find it difficult to accept Kasnyia into this organization. Which Kasnyia gets to send a delegate? Royalist? Imperialist? Gasselist?

This is tantamount to a recognition over the other two, putting the ToK into direct sights of the other two. That it; If we give Imperialist Kasnyia a voice, we're risking confrontation with the Royalists and Gasselists. If we give Gasselist Kasnyia a voice, the same issue.

DO we give every Kasnyia a delegate, or give none a delegate until the situation is clear? Hispania votes for the latter.
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This is absurd.

The Imperial Kasnyian government has been an ally of the Treaty of Konigsberg for a very long time. To lose this friendship over a minor issue invovling a non-member is the height of absurdity.

Comrade Vladimer Zubkov
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So, is the Treaty of Konigsberg ready to officially recognize the Imperial government over Gassel and the Royalists? Would not doing so certainly bring the wrath of the other two, powerful, Kasnyian governments? Would not recognizing the Imperial government destabalize relations with the Royalists, who play a vital part of the ToK campaign in Georgia?
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OOC- The Royal Kasnyian government isn't what one would call "powerful".. :lol:
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The Communist Republic of Quaon recognizes Royal Kasnyia as being confined to Alexanderhaven, and Imperial Kasnyia to include all territories currently controlled by the Imperialists or the Gasselists.

Comrade Vladimer Zubkov
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Feb 18 2008, 01:23 PM
The Communist Republic of Quaon recognizes Royal Kasnyia as being confined to Alexanderhaven, and Imperial Kasnyia to include all territories currently controlled by the Imperialists or the Gasselists.

Comrade Vladimer Zubkov
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As does Germany
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Concerning the circumstances then, the ToK should issue a statement about the situation is Kasnyia, with such information, and the whole alliance should adopt identical positions on Kasnyian recognition.

With Hispania recognizing Gassel over the Imperialists, and other members recognizing the Imperialists over Gassel, this split may be detrimental to future actions with or against Kasnyia.

Hispania is prepared to modify its recognition based on any ToK vote.
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