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Austro-Bayern; An observer's request
Topic Started: Feb 13 2008, 08:36 PM (668 Views)
lebowski2123
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OOC: It seems that a few misconceptions have arisen concerning the general intent of the treaty.

This is not a democracy advocating treaty organization, and so nations which disregard the alleged "need" for democracy in modern society (such as the Syndicat) do not particularly irk the treaty as a whole.

This is not an intercontinental treaty organization for the most part. Although we will actively defend our right to colonize other areas (Russian Georgia conflict), generally it is Eurocentric, with its major goal being the creation and preservation of a lasting peace and prosperity on the European continent.

This is not a tolerant or ignorant treaty organization when it comes to conflict. Nations who spark conflict within the continent are generally diplomatically, economically and militarily opposed by treaty members, because they are viewed as a threat to peace in Europe. Austro-Bayern has sparked conflict within the continent by declaring a full mobilization and issuing a hostile message to the Syndicat.

This is not a humanistic treaty organization. The reality of the situation is that A-B's humanitarian efforts, while "generally lauded", are of minimal concern to the nations of this treaty. Sure, it is appreciated, but noble acts of humanitarian kindness will not excuse conflict at home.

I think this covers some of the basic problems with how the alliance has been approached recently, but this is just my interpretation of the situation.
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Rafzakael
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OOC: The Syndicat does what it is paid to do. No more, no less. Once they are retained for a conflict, they'll see it through. Switching sides mid-conflict would just be bad business practice.
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Rhadamanthus
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Feb 14 2008, 02:20 PM
OOC:

Quid pro quo? At all?

The Confederation Guard literally just got back from a generally lauded (or at least quietly accepted) humanitarian effort in Georgia, and meanwhile Syndicat mercenaries are fighting AGAINST European forces there, and your solution is to destroy my nation?

Does anybody else find this stupid? I know it's me saying that, but seriously, come ON.

OOC:

Yeah, frankly I want nothing to do with any operation against Austro-Bayern. The Kingdom doesn't have any personal stake in the conflict and does not think it is of a scale that should draw Treaty of Konigsberg attention. Especially in comparison to the Georgian affair, which was a direct attack on Russia, member of the Treaty.
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Assassin
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OOC: Find the Assassin Empire a reason to attack someone, and they generally will.

Just sayin.
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Quaon
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OOC: Quaon doesn't particularly want ToK support at the moment. They have been at odds with Austro-Bayern for a while, and want to show their government that they can't go about dictating other countries' policy.
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Austro-Bayern
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OOC: I was not aware that we were at odds :huh:

And you do, I hope, see the irony in stopping a country supposedly dictating another country's policy by... dictating its policy, right? :wacko:
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Quaon
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Feb 14 2008, 06:26 PM
OOC: I was not aware that we were at odds :huh:

And you do, I hope, see the irony in stopping a country supposedly dictating another country's policy by... dictating its policy, right? :wacko:

OOC: The whole thing over the HCI. The Quaonion army doesn't intend to attack your territory, merely drive you out of New Moravia.

A full commital to the Georgian front, however, would change things immensely... :D
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Austro-Bayern
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OOC: And risk Scythirus turning me into radioactive glass?
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Quaon
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Feb 14 2008, 06:31 PM
OOC: And risk Scythirus turning me into radioactive glass?

OOC: Oh, come now, we've got more people, if by a slim margin, then Scythirus et al.
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Austro-Bayern
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OOC: Do you? Wow, I didn't know that.

1) The Confederation Guard is far too small to have any effect in Georgia
2) Scythirus is known to be a little... er, erratic. Which is why we love him of course :lol: but it remains...
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Rhadamanthus
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Feb 14 2008, 05:42 PM
OOC: Do you? Wow, I didn't know that.

1) The Confederation Guard is far too small to have any effect in Georgia
2) Scythirus is known to be a little... er, erratic. Which is why we love him of course :lol: but it remains...

OOC:

A few of us haven't mobilized fully yet, but hopefully it will tip the scales in our favor in Georgia.
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lebowski2123
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OOC: Germany feels the same way, if A-B were to commit to Georgia then it wouldn't feel obligated to even contemplate intervening.
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Toussaint
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OOC: Just for every bodies OOC knowledge, I'm supporting A-B on this, and I think Nor will to when he gets back. If another power intervenes, expect some action from Çerdoné to occur, on behalf of Austro-Bayern of course.
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Kasnyia
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OOC- And the plot thickens....
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Austro-Bayern
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OOC: Boy, I didn't know the Guard was so popular :lol:

Problem with Georgia is that it presents a potential double-standard to the Confederation government; in general, most citizens are anti-Scythirus and pro-European forces sympathetically, but they also dislike the notion of Georgia being ruled by Russia instead of ruling itself (you'll notice that this is a certain trend in AB... :rolleyes: ). They'd want Georgians to determine who rules them, not Russia...

...which Russia, understandably, would almost certainly not be inclined to do.
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lebowski2123
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Well with such a relatively liberal ideal, A-B is of course going to encounter resistance from many of the Treaty members.
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Rhadamanthus
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Feb 14 2008, 08:08 PM
OOC: Boy, I didn't know the Guard was so popular  :lol:

Problem with Georgia is that it presents a potential double-standard to the Confederation government; in general, most citizens are anti-Scythirus and pro-European forces sympathetically, but they also dislike the notion of Georgia being ruled by Russia instead of ruling itself (you'll notice that this is a certain trend in AB... :rolleyes: ).  They'd want Georgians to determine who rules them, not Russia...

...which Russia, understandably, would almost certainly not be inclined to do.

OOC:

Hmm... interesting thought. Georgian independence would satisfy the self-government and democracy crowd. It would perhaps satisfiy Scy/Paradise/Nag because it would be Middle Eastern nation without European involvement. For my part, the Kingdom would not oppose it because it would still be Orthodox ruling an Orthodox nation. I could certainly see advantages to such a plan.


But only if Russia approved, of course.
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Should this be suggested IC now? :huh:
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OOC: Ah, but this conversation is not privy to AB, is it? >.<

Actually, if you look at the "Letter to..." topic, you'll notice that Austro-Bayern actually suggested this at least once IC.
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Kasnyia
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OOC- The idea would more like be a move of desperation, inspite of being relatively painless.
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OOC: ...?
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Russia would have to accept the loss of land, as well as the fact that it was effectively defeated by Scyhtirus, should it go ahead with the move.
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OOC: Hence the problem.
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