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Portugal
Topic Started: Feb 10 2008, 07:26 PM (718 Views)
Kasnyia
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Then that wouldn't require anything more, as they have already associated themselves in a friendly and unenforced manner.
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lebowski2123
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Germany will never support HCI's entrance into the treaty, whether it be by default or through conscious and public decision. The Portuguese have proved belligerent and ill informed of world affairs, and would offer minimal benefits to all other nations involved.
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They would provide support in the Strait of Gibraltar, and become a strategic asset along the Atlantic Ocean.
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Kasnyia
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Again, if this is done, this would cause a rift between JAUST and ToK, as the latter does not allow a nation to hold both memberships, as otherwise Kasnyia would be a full member rather than an observer.
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lebowski2123
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Yet these benefits would undoubtedly be offset by further belligerent annexations and international incidents, such as the widely publicized and criticized affair concerning Al-Andulus, when even allies of the Imperium have spoken out against its actions.
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Al-Andalus is an invader of Christian Iberia. We fully endorse the Imperium's annexation and restoration of rightful Portuguese territory, just as we owuld endorse German expansions into German areas. We stand by our allies in Portugal, and should they ever desire membership in the ToK, we will fully endorse their request.
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The Imperium has acted against the ruling of the Colognian Pope, which it holds allegience to. This has nothing to do with religion and all to do with the Imperium gaining as much control over Iberia as possible, and I would postulate that they would do the same with Hispania as well, given the chance.
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Germany does not recognize any religious crusades as stated goals of the Treaty, and thus will not recognize the use of religion to justify invasion of a sovereign and independent entity. However, at the behest of Hispania, Germany will hold off on further debate on the virtues and drawbacks of Imperium admission until a later date, as well as rescind its use of the word "never" in a previous statement.
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Under the Iberian Doctrine of the First Iberian Summit, the HCI is the only rightful Portuguese state, as Hispania is the only rightful Spanish state, and we fully support the HCI is its move against the illegitimate al-Andalus.
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Once again, JAUST will not accept the ToK, or a faction thereof, of attempting to gain the Imperium. This will not be good for bilateral relations between the organizations.
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Feb 12 2008, 02:46 PM
Under the Iberian Doctrine of the First Iberian Summit, the HCI is the only rightful Portuguese state, as Hispania is the only rightful Spanish state, and we fully support the HCI is its move against the illegitimate al-Andalus.

"What is Portugal and what is Spain? A Galician has more in common with a Portuguese than he does with a Castilian. A Castilian, a Galiican, and a Portuguese all have more in common with each other than with a Catalan. The Kingdom does not reocognize this division between 'Spain' and 'Portugal.'

"In ancient times, Spain or Hispania encompassed the whole penninsula. This is the true unifying commonality that all the nations of Iberia share. As per that policy, the Triune Western Roman Kingdom considers the Kingdom of Hispania to be the lawful Roman authority over the entire Iberian Penninsula, over All Spain, just the WRK is the lawful Roman authority in its own lands.

"Following this policy, the Kingdom does not recognize the HCI as having any authority by right. However, the Kingdom will recognize the HCI as having authority in Portugal because it has been delegated such authority by the Kingdom of Hispania, the only legitimate Spanish or Iberian state in existence."


OOC:

Consider this my Iberian Doctrine. ;)
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Kasnyia
Feb 12 2008, 02:49 PM
Once again, JAUST will not accept the ToK, or a faction thereof, of attempting to gain the Imperium. This will not be good for bilateral relations between the organizations.

"With all due respect to the delegate from Kasnyia, but JAUST has no say over the policy of the Treaty of Konigsburg. If the Kingdom of Hispania, as the Treaty's resident Iberian State, considers it worthwhile to bring HCI into the Treaty, then the Triune Kingdom will support it.

"We seek no conflict with the JAUST, but please understand that this flows directly from the Kingdom's policy of recognizing Hispania as sovereign over all Iberia."
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OOC:

In terms of Iberia:

The Christian States of Aragon, Castille, and Portugal evolved into Hispania, Morroccan (then Andorra), and HCI, respectively. This is, more or less, the agreed upon thing.

So when I say Spain, I mean Aragon + Castille at their heights. When I say Iberian Rome, I mean Andalusia. When I say Portugal I mean HCI + al-Andalus. That's the official Hispanic way of looking at it (and the agreed history between Iberia) ^_^
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OOC- I would laugh if Russia cared enough to state that he was against this. If only to thicken the plot. :lol:

IC-

Kasnyia shall protest any action of having the Imperium be joined to the Treaty of Konigsberg, which seems to be the aim of Hispania supporting this otherwise deplorable action. It would only hinder relations between the two organizations.

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And with all due respect to the Triune Kingdom, Hispania does not own the entire Treaty of Konigsberg and thus attempting create a defection for its own ends goes against Kasnyia's own aims, which is to promote friendly relations between the Treaty and JAUST.
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Feb 12 2008, 03:08 PM
OOC:

In terms of Iberia:

The Christian States of Aragon, Castille, and Portugal evolved into Hispania, Morroccan (then Andorra), and HCI, respectively. This is, more or less, the agreed upon thing.

So when I say Spain, I mean Aragon + Castille at their heights. When I say Iberian Rome, I mean Andalusia. When I say Portugal I mean HCI + al-Andalus. That's the official Hispanic way of looking at it (and the agreed history between Iberia) ^_^

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Thanks for the explanation. The Kingdom has a simpler view: Hispania under the ancient empire was synonymous with Iberia (Hispania being Latin, Iberia being Greek). Hence, Hispania has dominion over all Iberia. In practice, this means nothing other than that the Kingdom differs to Hispania in all Iberian affairs.


IC:

"With respect to our Kasnyian brothers, we do not mean to imply that Hispania has power over all the Treaty members, but only that the Kingdom will differ to Hispania in Iberian affairs. We share the goal of promoting peaceful relations between the two blocs of nations. However, our policy concerning Iberia considers Hispania sovereign over the whole penninsula, so we support all Hispanic decisions within Iberia, just as we would expect them to support all decisions within our own territory."
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I see. Thank you for the clarification. We understand and accept your position on the matter.
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Feb 12 2008, 03:18 PM
I see. Thank you for the clarification. We understand and accept your position on the matter.

"We thank you for your understanding. We hope this leads to no conflict."
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With all due respect to Hispania and the WRK, the CRQ believes that it would be prudent, at this point in time, for Hispania to reach some sort of entente with Andorra. Andorra has been providing crucial aid to the Georgian front, and it would be foolish to run folly of that good will. It is of course, reasonable for it to be demanded on Andorra that her government recognize monarchies. The ToK cannot hold on in the Georgian front while fighting a potential Iberian war.

Comrade Vladimer Zubkov
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We have already reached an agreement with Andorra. Hispania has given its word that it will never fire the first shot. We have installed emergency phone lines, to avoid accidental confrontation, and are both supportive of the cause of peace.

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Feb 12 2008, 03:21 PM
With all due respect to Hispania and the WRK, the CRQ believes that it would be prudent, at this point in time, for Hispania to reach some sort of entente with Andorra. Andorra has been providing crucial aid to the Georgian front, and it would be foolish to run folly of that good will. It is of course, reasonable for it to be demanded on Andorra that her government recognize monarchies. The ToK cannot hold on in the Georgian front while fighting a potential Iberian war.

Comrade Vladimer Zubkov
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The WRK would never start any sort of conflict against Andorra. The WRK pledges to follow Hispania in all affairs Iberian.
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ooc; i know i said i wouldn't fire the first shot, but with nor leaving andorra behind...

would the tok be very against a unification war, if it meant i might have to pull out of Georgia (realism, andorra cannot be defeated with half my army, barely with all of it).
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Feb 25 2008, 06:02 PM
ooc; i know i said i wouldn't fire the first shot, but with nor leaving andorra behind...

would the tok be very against a unification war, if it meant i might have to pull out of Georgia (realism, andorra cannot be defeated with half my army, barely with all of it).

OOC: Yes, I would be opposed.
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OOC- Thats assuming NRE even lets you. He might keep it open for noobs.
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Feb 25 2008, 06:04 PM
Hispania
Feb 25 2008, 06:02 PM
ooc; i know i said i wouldn't fire the first shot, but with nor leaving andorra behind...

would the tok be very against a unification war, if it meant i might have to pull out of Georgia (realism, andorra cannot be defeated with half my army, barely with all of it).

OOC: Yes, I would be opposed.

I would as well :P
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ooc: I'll ask NRE, but if all this goes through, it almost certainly will happen right after the battle of Tbilisi.
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