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Portugal
Topic Started: Feb 10 2008, 07:26 PM (717 Views)
Rhadamanthus
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The representative from the Kingdom addressed the assembly.

"Friends, while I am aware that some of you have endorsed the so-called Holy Catholic Imperium's annexation of so-called Al-Andalus, I would like to discuss this issue from the point of view of an opponent.

"It should be known that this even has been dealt a bone-crushing blow by the recent excommunication against the so-called Holy Catholic Emperor. Even the Colognian Church, not a friend of the Kingdom, has cast out its daughter rather than accept this annexation. It seems to us that the wise and great nations of the Treaty of Konigsburg Organization ought not recognize it either.

"The Holy Catholic Imperium is not a member of this organization. To allow it to extend its power in such a volatile region as Iberia would greatly destabilize Europe.

"With due respect to the Spaniards and the Rus, who have endorsed this annexation (OOC: sorry if this is in error), the Kingdom believes that the Konigsburg group, or some member or group of members of our group, should be the ones to take the former Al-Andalus under control. This would be more beneficial to us and to Europe."
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The Communist Republic of Quaon has recognized this expansion as part of a "sunshine" policy towards JAUST that we have recently adopted. However, we do not hold any strong opinions on the subject. If Konigsberg wishes to not recognize this new "Kingdom of Portugal", we will go along with it. However, considering the more dire situation in Georgia, we do not think it wise to divert our armed forces to take control of Al Andalus. Perhaps it would be more effective to prop up a Konigsberg friendly government?

Comrade Vladimer Zubkov
Ambassador to the Treaty of Konigsberg for the Communist Republic
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Rhadamanthus
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The Kingdom is favorable to the Communist Republic's alternate suggestion. Propping up a Konigsburg-friendly government in Al-Andalus would be beneficial.
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We feel that the Holy Catholic Imperium should be permitted control of Portugal. Under current mutual defense agreements, the Holy Catholic Imperium and Hispania are together united against any possible Andorran aggression, and we feel that the HCI is the rightful ruler of the Portuguese people.

We will not retract our support. On the contrary, we urge all nations to recognize the HCI's annexation of the illegal Islamic state.

By recognizing the Kingdom of Portgual, the ToK will be sending a message of friendship to the HCI, and its strategic location will still serve us. As the honorable delegate from Quoan has pointed out, it would be better to ensure that Portugal remains friendly to the ToK, rather than invade Al-Andalus, ending the defense agreements, and alliances forged with the nation.

Hispania will not stand behind any action against the HCI, and will defend it from imperialist intentions.
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"With Andorra and the Holy Catholic Imperium as allies in JAUST, such agreements between your country and theirs, I would think, would be detrimental to your cause. The Imperium would more likely assist the Andorrans than assist you. Of course, this is merely my personal opinion as...ah...I cannot speak for my government at the moment."

- Lord Esterhazy
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While the CRQ recognizes Hispania's right to continue its foreign policy. However, Andorra has been much more helpful towards the ToK than the HCI, particularly in regards to Georgia. The HCI has in fact done little to help the ToK.

Comrade Vladimer Zubkov
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Just as we would stand between Konigsberg and the Imperium, so would the Imperium stand between ourselves and Andorra. Andorra is a dangerous nation-state that has called for the destruction of all monarchies, recent actions must not cloud this.

We have already drawn up pre-emptive invasion plans, and defensive operations, among other things, to be ready, and united, in the event of an Andorran attack.

We will not allow any ToK action against the HCI.

It will destroy Hispanic interests, and it will destroy JAUST-ToK relations.
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In light of the Hispanic response, the Kingdom withdraws its suggestion.
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I would like to know how it would destroy JAUST-ToK relations.

- Lord Esterhazy
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We feel this is for the best.

We must focus our efforts on existing operations, instead of destroying other nations, who have done little to deserve it.

By engaging in military action in Al-Andalus, we will be forced to fire on HCI troops. By firing on HCI troops, we are firing on JAUST members. There is no way to secure al-Andalus without coming into conflict with the HCI. Even if JAUST does not respond militarily, only a fool would not view the attack of an ally with caution.
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Hispania
Feb 10 2008, 06:48 PM
Just as we would stand between Konigsberg and the Imperium, so would the Imperium stand between ourselves and Andorra. Andorra is a dangerous nation-state that has called for the destruction of all monarchies, recent actions must not cloud this.

We have already drawn up pre-emptive invasion plans, and defensive operations, among other things, to be ready, and united, in the event of an Andorran attack.

We will not allow any ToK action against the HCI.

It will destroy Hispanic interests, and it will destroy JAUST-ToK relations.

OOC:

Wait, why would HCI ever help you against Andorra when those nations are allied in the JAUST?
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OOC- Thats the same issue I brought up.

IC-

The Imperium is not naive enough to conduct a military campaign when the rest of the region does not wish for it to, not without having to suffer consequences its military can hardly hold up against. JAUST does not back expansions of member states, as the member state in question is attacking rather than being attacked. If the Imperium is attacked because of its actions, which it could have avoided, then again it does not recieve JAUST assistance.
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Perhaps Germany will refrain from actively intervening in the Imperium's occupation, but it will never endorse such actions. The Holy Catholic Imperium has proven belligerent prior to this event, and its actions serve only to destroy any stability which has been reached within the Iberian region.
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The Kingdom has changed its position. Due to the HCI's statement of support regarding the Georgian campaign, the Kingdom has withdrawn all criticisms of the HCI campaign and will recognize the annexation.
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No JAUST state will support this, as it sets up a dngerous precedent for our members, which goes against policy that had been established long ago. We implore the Treaty of Konigsberg to do the same, lest Iberia becomes embroiled in war.
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Kasnyia
Feb 11 2008, 06:23 PM
No JAUST state will support this, as it sets up a dngerous precedent for our members, which goes against policy that had been established long ago. We implore the Treaty of Konigsberg to do the same, lest Iberia becomes embroiled in war.

The Kingdom has come to the conclusion that Georgia is more important. The world must take a stand that certain middle eastern states cannot treat the whole world as their servant. Surely JAUST recognizes this as well?
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Feb 11 2008, 07:22 PM
The Kingdom has changed its position. Due to the HCI's statement of support regarding the Georgian campaign, the Kingdom has withdrawn all criticisms of the HCI campaign and will recognize the annexation.

The Communist Republic shares this sentiment.

Comrade Vladimer Zubkov
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Feb 11 2008, 07:36 PM
Kasnyia
Feb 11 2008, 06:23 PM
No JAUST state will support this, as it sets up a dngerous precedent for our members, which goes against policy that had been established long ago. We implore the Treaty of Konigsberg to do the same, lest Iberia becomes embroiled in war.

The Kingdom has come to the conclusion that Georgia is more important. The world must take a stand that certain middle eastern states cannot treat the whole world as their servant. Surely JAUST recognizes this as well?

My nation would have been at the front lines to fight alongside the Russians, regardless of past disagreements, however, we have been sapped of our strength by the fascists and as such, we could only contribute one of our ships, a capital flagship, but still just a ship.

As for the rest of JAUST, those who are still able have already pledged their support.

Regardless of that however, support of the Imperium is still merely verbal, and in my opinion, for I cannot speak on behalf of my government just now, they are doing it to keep our eyes away from their own actions.

- Lord Esterhazy
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Good point, if the HCI could be compelled to support the war in Georgia instead of wasting its time with al-Andalus, that would be better for all. Perhaps your government could use its influence over the Church of Cologne? Lift the excommunication of the HCI's monarch in exchange for military support in Georgia?
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As soon as my government has stablized itself, I will pass on this suggestion to my superiors.
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We must never forget that the HCI is a monarchy, and while an ally of Andorra, the Madrid Pact has called for the destruction of all monarchies, HCI presumably among them.

Why not encourage the HCI to leave JAUST, and join with the ToK instead?
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That sounds like an excellent plan.
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Feb 12 2008, 06:32 AM
We must never forget that the HCI is a monarchy, and while an ally of Andorra, the Madrid Pact has called for the destruction of all monarchies, HCI presumably among them.

Why not encourage the HCI to leave JAUST, and join with the ToK instead?

OOC: Russia actually proclaimed it was indifferent about the annexation, since we're mainly concerned with Georgia at this time.

IC:

Russia agrees with this new plan of action as well, and would like to take this opportunity to once again thank all members of the TOK that have active military units in Georgia. We must at all times seek the destruction of all evils as we seek justice and freedom to prevail.
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Attempting to take the Holy Catholic Imperium from JAUST into ToK would be anathema to the relations between the two organizations. Of course, Kasnyia only has observer authority here, but would still wish to implore their allies in this organization not to undertake such a move.

I will speak with the Pope as soon as I am able and will see if a deal can be made.
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It is the perogative of every nation to decide upon an alliance. While no one will try to force the HCI into the ToK, they may still freely choose to associate with us.
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