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OOC Religion (Split from Georgia War thread)
Topic Started: Jan 22 2008, 08:34 PM (259 Views)
Quaon
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OOC: Damn it. I don't have Cyprus ready for a Cypriot Bishop to retort. But...the Tsar of all Russia is the Emperor of the Romans in our world. So...attacking Russia is grounds for excommunication.
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Ukabanea
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OOC: ok no one explained that you could be excommunicated.....shit
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Well the very fact that you claim to be an Emperor and are of the Orthodox faith would have been enough, since only House Damascene is really legit in holding such a title, but seeing as they are not in power just now, Orthodoxy let that slide. However, turning against an Orthodox protectorate....bad juju.
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Ukabanea
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(OOC:eh fuck it if worst comes to worst ill convert or do my own thing kind of like scythirius)
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Rhadamanthus
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OOC:

Well House Romanov were Emperors before House Damascene (i.e. real life history) so their claim is as good as any. But Ukabanea, what the others are trying to point out is that the Orthodox Christian world has a certain cohesiveness here. Only the head, currently the Emperor of All the Russias, is generally called an Emperor, and other Orthodox nations are expected to follow his general lead. Secularism is not necessarily despised (though it often is), but using it as a justification to oppose the brothers in faith would be tantamount to apostasy.

The religious situation in our world often takes some getting used to, so its understandable if you aren't aware of all of it. Usually the issue is Catholicism, rather than Orthodoxy, so we hadn't really written out an intro for new players of Orthodox nations. But feel free to ask other players if you are not sure about something. Kas, or NRE, or Q, or Nor can all help you with Orthodoxy in our world as all are either playing or will be playing Orthodox nations. I may have missed others too. And of course, you can ask me, I did a large part of the building of the Orthodox commonwealth.
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Ukabanea
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OOC: Could i just convert to western Catholicism and keep my titles i did the whole "golden Eagle" thing out of the roman empire itself in real life not off Eastern orthodoxism and what about the byzantines they were the desendends of the eastern empire a while after them the russians Adopted the byzantines way.
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Alexanderhaven would become your enemy if you became Catholic (though the other Orthodox nations dont care I believe).
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Rhadamanthus
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OOC:

The Byzantine-Roman Empire was continued in a nation I played in this game for a very long time. It died fairly recently, after which all Orthodox recognized Russia as its lawful successor.

I would encourage you to keep playing an Orthodox state, but understand that diplomacy is a major part of roleplaying a nation. As an Orthodox state you have obligations to other Orthodox states, one of which is not to insult them. On the other hand, you have Scythirus on your borders, so siding against that country is a bad idea. RP'ing your country will take some diplomacy.
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Ukabanea
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(OOC: i gess ill just convert to Catholicism then)
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Quaon
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OOC: Uh...anyone want to tell him...about Catholicism? :huh: RD, maybe we should split this?
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Rhadamanthus
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I split: Q explain Catholicism.
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Menhad
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Jan 22 2008, 09:20 PM
I split: Q explain Catholicism.

I got it.

Their Are Three, Catholic Chruches

Catholic Europe(The Player) was the Pope in Charge of the Genesein(Spelling? Not sure of it) Church. This Church is Like the 15th century church, with burnings at the stake etc...

Saxe-Corburg(Wadj) spilt of from CE(Catholic Europe will be refered to CE from here on) and fromed the Cologian(Again I sure I spelled it wrong). A Peaceful modern chruch much like the one in real life.

The Highlands Catholic Church, my church, it like the 18th century church, not very powerful, but it is all about Nationalism, It was no Pope but is very similar, The highest rank is Cardinal.


Please excuse my spelling, its is really off today.

Feel free to add anything I missed
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Rhadamanthus
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Thanks Menhad :D

So, Catholicism is kind of confusing as well, but it is not as prominent as it used to be.
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Ukabanea
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could i just do a kind of neo-orthodox thing or a custom religion like scy?
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Rhadamanthus
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You can do whatever you want. The point here is not to tell you what you can't do, but to make you aware of what religion is in our world. Any religion you choose will have its consequences, which you will have to deal with as part of roleplay, including secularism.
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Ukabanea
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ah thats cool so i gess ill just be excommunicated and become a neo-orthodox thing
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Which doesn't change your situation, since its still related to orthodoxy. Why not have your muslims take power?
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Rhadamanthus
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Even if you get excommunicated by mainstream Orthodoxy, you can always reconcile later. I think anybody who has studied Orthodoxy is aware of the many, many internal conflicts and schisms (and the same is true of other branches of Christianity too).
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Ukabanea
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ok that settles that then thanks :D
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Rhadamanthus
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You are welcome. I'm always glad to help and I think the same goes with the others here.
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Menhad
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Ukabanea
Jan 22 2008, 09:44 PM
could i just do a kind of neo-orthodox thing or a custom religion like scy?

Do what you want, its your nation. Personally I think the whole 'God King" is a little over rated when their is more than one or two of them.

If you do the God king route, Scy might not like it, and their are some extreme people(Like my Orgienist) who would love to kill a 'God King'.

Making your own religion can be fun, but again it will make you enemies.

Being a Mainstream (as mainstream as you can be in our world) religion, like Muslim, Christen(Catholic or other), or Jewish, will earn you less enemies, and more allies, But will pit you against the 'enemies' of the religion your in.
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Draxis
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Yeah, religion in our world is complicated. I'm technically an orthodox nation, my leaders are more or less atheists due to their indoctrination but pay lip service to teh church, my population is not very pious but does the same, I border CE who was at a time the largest and most powerful catholic nation, and even though in my RP I am paranoid like a MFer about him we still have cut deals in the past, such as an airspace deal where he could fly over my skies to get to Novistrana when he was bombing them, and I use it whenever I need to go anywhere else with my jets.

Religion is not the be all end all part of your RP, but it can be a major portion of it. Personally I like that he split with europe for more pragmatic reasons, and it gives Scy and his propoganda a nice portion of footing when he claims we are marching in as conquerors and invaders.

It added a nice wrinkle to the war, such as my belligerence to Kas.
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Comrade Queen
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I'd like to point out that the Scythirian religion is a Zurvanite sect of Zoroastrianism that has survived through the centuries. This is contrary to RL religion where only worship of Ahura Mazda has survived.

The Scythirians believe in the cold, dispassionate power of the primordial Zurvan Akarana whom they do not dare name and in a twist believe he favored Ahriman over Ahura in an "enlightened" reading of "the first born will be greater." Hirak-Al Voramix, after a ceremony with the Zolon Hu'fievren was "revealed" to have been the latest mortal incarnation of Ahriman.
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Kasnyia
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Kasnyia is Colognian Catholic, and the Imperial government protects the Pope of Cologne. The Imperial Family is still Genesian however.
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Wadj
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Kasnyia
Jan 22 2008, 10:31 PM
Kasnyia is Colognian Catholic, and the Imperial government protects the Pope of Cologne. The Imperial Family is still Genesian however.

Hey, the Colognians are still going? That's awesome! I thought they'd died out. They were one of my favorite pet projects, I'm glad that they're still around in some form.

Since we're talking about the religions of our nations, Far Cathay will have a mixture of Daoism and Buddhism, and will be governed according to Confucian ideals. I'm going to try to make it very conservative, but certainly not evil or maniacal.
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