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What happened to all those other nations?
Topic Started: Jan 17 2008, 05:54 AM (746 Views)
Austro-Bayern
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As I take on the absurd task of trying to read as much as I can on these forums so I can ease my transition into becoming an active, worthwhile member, I keep seeing a bunch of nations that no longer exist. Of course, that's to be expected, but some of these guys look like they were here for a really long time and were major figures in the community, so I'm kinda curious about:

1) Wadj
This guy seems like he was everywhere, and was a major feature of early Europe. Where'd he go?

2) Patrua
Whoever he was, I want to give him a medal, because, I mean, WOW, his posts were insane! I wish I could write like that. What happened to him?

3) Catholic Europe
Maybe he's just been really quiet, but I haven't seen him in my time here...

4) Egyria
Like Wadj, he seemed like a major player in several places (including wars; I think he may have fought more wars than anyone else did). I got the impression that he had a falling out with Catholic Europe, but did he ever come back?

5) Poland
Seemed pretty involved with the various early conflicts in Europe.

6) Laeplaen
Same thing as Poland; was he ultimately defeated or something? Can that even happen on these forums?

7) Xeres and Catalonia
This is more curiosity than anything; the European map makes reference to him leaving "for terrible OOC reasons." Am I allowed to ask what happened or is that verboten

8) The Resplendent Dawn
I can't tell if he's here or not; he's certainly not in the Middle East anymore. Or is he?


So, whatever happened to these previous pinnacles of princes? ^_^
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Jan 17 2008, 05:54 AM
1) Wadj
This guy seems like he was everywhere, and was a major feature of early Europe. Where'd he go?

I know I should know what happened to Wadj... Uh... I know his nation got annexed when he quit... But I forget why he doesn't play anymore.

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2) Patrua
Whoever he was, I want to give him a medal, because, I mean, WOW, his posts were insane!  I wish I could write like that.  What happened to him?


Ah Patrua. Good man. Set a lot of standards. Eventually he got tired of the forums, didn't help that certain people picked silly fights with him. He can still be contacted for strictly NS reasons (as founder of (I think) the African Continent) for things like regional invasions.

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3) Catholic Europe
Maybe he's just been really quiet, but I haven't seen him in my time here...


His nation fell into anarchy. He's made a few aborted come backs but real life issues and a constantly changing forum stop him coming back completely. He makes the occassional post still.

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4) Egyria
Like Wadj, he seemed like a major player in several places (including wars; I think he may have fought more wars than anyone else did).  I got the impression that he had a falling out with Catholic Europe, but did he ever come back?


I forget the details here. But I seem to remember some falling out then him quitting.

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5) Poland
Seemed pretty involved with the various early conflicts in Europe.

Don't remember Poland at all.

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6) Laeplaen
Same thing as Poland; was he ultimately defeated or something?  Can that even happen on these forums?

You can't really be defeated and forced to quit.

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7) Xeres and Catalonia
This is more curiosity than anything; the European map makes reference to him leaving "for terrible OOC reasons."  Am I allowed to ask what happened or is that verboten

X&C was gay and suffered for it. I'd rather not give specific details, but if someone else wants to give a full account they're welcome to (as far as I'm concerned)

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8) The Resplendent Dawn
I can't tell if he's here or not; he's certainly not in the Middle East anymore.  Or is he?

Romanus Diogenes is The Resplendent Dawn. But his Middle Eastern nation collasped.
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Jan 17 2008, 05:07 AM
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Jan 17 2008, 05:54 AM
1) Wadj
This guy seems like he was everywhere, and was a major feature of early Europe.  Where'd he go?

I know I should know what happened to Wadj... Uh... I know his nation got annexed when he quit... But I forget why he doesn't play anymore.

a good Chicago Suburban boy. Got into college and found he didn't have time to be effective any more. Who knows, might show up again some day. Very missed.

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2) Patrua
Whoever he was, I want to give him a medal, because, I mean, WOW, his posts were insane!  I wish I could write like that.  What happened to him?


Ah Patrua. Good man. Set a lot of standards. Eventually he got tired of the forums, didn't help that certain people picked silly fights with him. He can still be contacted for strictly NS reasons (as founder of (I think) the African Continent) for things like regional invasions.

The King of Posts and the spiritual commander of many aspects of this forum. Without him and Paradise, the forum would not be what it is. He moved on to more realistic role-playing.

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3) Catholic Europe
Maybe he's just been really quiet, but I haven't seen him in my time here...


His nation fell into anarchy. He's made a few aborted come backs but real life issues and a constantly changing forum stop him coming back completely. He makes the occassional post still.

He's still lurking about, the silly Mary. Right now he is more interested in partying, working and School. He's quit before, several times, and my guess is he will return again. We shall see.

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4) Egyria
Like Wadj, he seemed like a major player in several places (including wars; I think he may have fought more wars than anyone else did).  I got the impression that he had a falling out with Catholic Europe, but did he ever come back?


Got on a lot of people's nerves with some of his RP's, and his general arrogance and superiority complex, and quit in frusteration because he didn't get his way all the time. Yes, a true nemisis of CE - there was no love lost there at all.


I forget the details here. But I seem to remember some falling out then him quitting.

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5) Poland
Seemed pretty involved with the various early conflicts in Europe.

Don't remember Poland at all.

was very involved in early europe, but then just slowly drifted away. Don't know the real reason.

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6) Laeplaen
Same thing as Poland; was he ultimately defeated or something?  Can that even happen on these forums?

You can't really be defeated and forced to quit.

same as Poland. I believe they were RL friends.

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7) Xeres and Catalonia
This is more curiosity than anything; the European map makes reference to him leaving "for terrible OOC reasons."  Am I allowed to ask what happened or is that verboten

X&C was gay and suffered for it. I'd rather not give specific details, but if someone else wants to give a full account they're welcome to (as far as I'm concerned)

Another Chicago boy. He was very openly gay here, then someone started sending him personal e-mails containing pictures posted here, with comments like "I know where you live" and threats and things. Left a bit concerned about personal saftey.

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8) The Resplendent Dawn
I can't tell if he's here or not; he's certainly not in the Middle East anymore.  Or is he?

Romanus Diogenes is The Resplendent Dawn. But his Middle Eastern nation collasped.

Yes, RD is still here, and as prolific as ever.

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Jan 17 2008, 05:07 AM
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Jan 17 2008, 05:54 AM
1) Wadj
This guy seems like he was everywhere, and was a major feature of early Europe.  Where'd he go?

I know I should know what happened to Wadj... Uh... I know his nation got annexed when he quit... But I forget why he doesn't play anymore.

a good Chicago Suburban boy. Got into college and found he didn't have time to be effective any more. Who knows, might show up again some day. Very missed.

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2) Patrua
Whoever he was, I want to give him a medal, because, I mean, WOW, his posts were insane!  I wish I could write like that.  What happened to him?


Ah Patrua. Good man. Set a lot of standards. Eventually he got tired of the forums, didn't help that certain people picked silly fights with him. He can still be contacted for strictly NS reasons (as founder of (I think) the African Continent) for things like regional invasions.

The King of Posts and the spiritual commander of many aspects of this forum. Without him and Paradise, the forum would not be what it is. He moved on to more realistic role-playing.

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3) Catholic Europe
Maybe he's just been really quiet, but I haven't seen him in my time here...


His nation fell into anarchy. He's made a few aborted come backs but real life issues and a constantly changing forum stop him coming back completely. He makes the occassional post still.

He's still lurking about, the silly Mary. Right now he is more interested in partying, working and School. He's quit before, several times, and my guess is he will return again. We shall see.

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4) Egyria
Like Wadj, he seemed like a major player in several places (including wars; I think he may have fought more wars than anyone else did).  I got the impression that he had a falling out with Catholic Europe, but did he ever come back?


Got on a lot of people's nerves with some of his RP's, and his general arrogance and superiority complex, and quit in frusteration because he didn't get his way all the time. Yes, a true nemisis of CE - there was no love lost there at all.


I forget the details here. But I seem to remember some falling out then him quitting.

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5) Poland
Seemed pretty involved with the various early conflicts in Europe.

Don't remember Poland at all.

was very involved in early europe, but then just slowly drifted away. Don't know the real reason.

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6) Laeplaen
Same thing as Poland; was he ultimately defeated or something?  Can that even happen on these forums?

You can't really be defeated and forced to quit.

same as Poland. I believe they were RL friends.

I think He simply ran out of time and stated such somewhere, I forget where and don't have the time to look right now. I suspect the same was true of Poland (any has been true for others, such as Wadj) but Poland never came back (to my knowledge) to say such.
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7) Xeres and Catalonia
This is more curiosity than anything; the European map makes reference to him leaving "for terrible OOC reasons."  Am I allowed to ask what happened or is that verboten

X&C was gay and suffered for it. I'd rather not give specific details, but if someone else wants to give a full account they're welcome to (as far as I'm concerned)

Another Chicago boy. He was very openly gay here, then someone started sending him personal e-mails containing pictures posted here, with comments like "I know where you live" and threats and things. Left a bit concerned about personal saftey.

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8) The Resplendent Dawn
I can't tell if he's here or not; he's certainly not in the Middle East anymore.  Or is he?

Romanus Diogenes is The Resplendent Dawn. But his Middle Eastern nation collasped.

Yes, RD is still here, and as prolific as ever.

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Oh wow. Someone does read the forums! Wow, those names are all a blast from the past!

And yes, I'm still here. Though, as NH said, partying, work and uni pretty much take up all of my time now and having not been active for nearly a year now I find it hard to return. I will though one day...........I think.
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Egyria's departure: http://z3.invisionfree.com/nationstates/in...?showtopic=1405
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Jan 17 2008, 04:54 AM
As I take on the absurd task of trying to read as much as I can on these forums so I can ease my transition into becoming an active, worthwhile member, I keep seeing a bunch of nations that no longer exist. Of course, that's to be expected, but some of these guys look like they were here for a really long time and were major figures in the community, so I'm kinda curious about:

1) Wadj
This guy seems like he was everywhere, and was a major feature of early Europe. Where'd he go?

2) Patrua
Whoever he was, I want to give him a medal, because, I mean, WOW, his posts were insane! I wish I could write like that. What happened to him?

3) Catholic Europe
Maybe he's just been really quiet, but I haven't seen him in my time here...

4) Egyria
Like Wadj, he seemed like a major player in several places (including wars; I think he may have fought more wars than anyone else did). I got the impression that he had a falling out with Catholic Europe, but did he ever come back?

5) Poland
Seemed pretty involved with the various early conflicts in Europe.

6) Laeplaen
Same thing as Poland; was he ultimately defeated or something? Can that even happen on these forums?

7) Xeres and Catalonia
This is more curiosity than anything; the European map makes reference to him leaving "for terrible OOC reasons." Am I allowed to ask what happened or is that verboten

8) The Resplendent Dawn
I can't tell if he's here or not; he's certainly not in the Middle East anymore. Or is he?


So, whatever happened to these previous pinnacles of princes? ^_^

Reading your post was like a stroll down memory lane, and has given me a chance to think about many of our old players who contributed to this place in times past. Most of them have moved on to other things, it seems. I'll add a few comments where I have them, but Nag Ehgoeg and New Harumf have answered your questions quite well. (They are some of our oldest members and a lot about this community, so listend to what they have to say)

1) Wadj was a great player in the Middle East, and the Father of Europe (though I helped him getting that started with recruiting, the map, etc.). He went on to be a good player in other regions as well. After he entered college, he became absorbed in real life, and slowly drifted off from here. I corresponded with him for a time through MSN, but after he officially announced his departure to me and his wish that his nation become a protectorate for a time, he stopped logging on at least so far as I could tell.

2) Patrua's talent and contribution to this community were supreme, as you can surmise from your own observations and the discussion above. He set a lot of standards, and a lot of our customs and traditions hearken back to him. He is an archaeologist, so he usually has some interesting things to report from his life, and I correspond with him by telegram through NS every so often.

3) Catholic Europe has posted to say that he is here, so I don't need to add to that.

4) Egyria did have a long-running quarrel with CE, and did leave eventually. I have talked with him a few times after that. He was focused on Middle East and Europe, where he was a major player.

5) Poland was a major part of early Europe, IIRC; I believe he simply got bored or busy and moved on, no real story here.

6) Laeplaen left because he wanted to spend his time doing other things. He was also part of that era of European history.

7) I believe NH explained this sad story. I have nothing to add but my sympathies that a player had to leave in such manner from our forums.

8) I am RD. I had my name changed for the express purpose of confusing new players, so you'll have to forgive me that. I am everywhere and nowhere.
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Sadly, I only know 5 of those names. And some of those are only vague at best.

Part of me wonders if I would have made this list if I hadn't come back. :o
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You and I (along with Nor) are apart of the same generation of players who are still here. Seeing as we arrived in the summer of 05', I think we have another year or two to go before we are just as legendary, assuming we had something major to contribute to the forum.
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What generation am I? I don't think anyone besides E joined in my time period.
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Then its just you and E.
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First Wave - Trailblazers

The founding members of the forum, migrating from the old forum and regional message board. Everyone from user number 1 (Paradise) to user number 77 (Malkav). Classic forumites, greatly deminished in number by time. The forum goes from being less of a "permanent regional message board" to a more accessable, more offical forum.

Second Wave - The Next Generation

Scythirus (83) to Great New France (106).

Greats like TC and Al are in this bracket. All shaping members of the forum. (For better or worse :P ) The guidelines of the First Wave are generally followed - though not unchallenged by trouble makers. The first formal military guidance is starts to appear - previously war followed these guidelines simply as informal rules everyone knew. Similiar guidance is appears for things like maps etc. All rough guides, literally like word of mouth being put on paper.

Third Wave - Reinforcements Have Arrived

Wadj (110) to Kasnyia (164).

Looking a little wide when I include Wadj and Kas in the same bracket isn't it? At this point it kinda becomes clear that this is only a rough draft list rather than something well thought out.

But it's in the Third Wave that we go from the unwritten rules that everyone knew (First Wave), to writing this down as guidance (Second Wave), to now (in the Third Wave) writing formal manuals and rules. The old practices of the First Wave, refined by the experiences and knowledge of the Second Wave is laid down as Law. Patrua's How to Make a Military Manual marks the real start of this formal fairness that shapes the forum to this day.

Forth Wave - Set in Our Ways

Sistan (172) to The CNNP (198).

By this point the forum has it's formal rules set. All the fine tweaking - like RAMT rules, military system - that comes later is based on the rules firmly in place by this point. Kinks have been worked out, and input from newbies that would have been useful but annoying in the Second Wave is seen as Godmoding and Unacceptable.

Fifth Wave - Reach for the Moon

Quaon (209) to Hispania (307).

Wide bracket - one to encompass those who certainly aren't new to the forum but aren't part of the classic history. These users have grown up with the forum as is. They've made their impacts, their great events, they've added to the In-Character History - but they're playing in the forum created by the Third Wave and they're happy to do so, having not played any other way.

Sixth Wave - Newbies

Jester (312) to Ryan (375).

Newbies. 'Nuff said.

Seventh Wave - Super Newbies

Proto7 (376) to present.

The current generation. There are some very promising looking newbies here who could seriously improve the forums... but then, there's always promising newbies. Time will tell if they stick around and become forum greats or if they turn into one hit wonders who get forgotten in the dust... like most of the Sixth Wave.
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All hail the Third Wave!
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Oh bravo. Being so obsessed with lists and other informational things, I say we sticky that list and update it annually or something. :lol:
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Excellent post Nag.

Ours has clear parallels with the community of ancient Hebrews, the Chosen People of God.

The Patriarchs.

1 (Paradise) to user number 77 (Malkav)

An odd collection of Quebeckers, Englishmen, and/or homosexuals who all seem to know each other personally. They beheld Canaan (invisionfree.com), and they set up camp.

The Wanderers.

Scythirus (83) to Great New France (106)

Strange newcomers from the desert stumbled into the encampment, in search of water. The Wanderers never planned to stay long, but they ended up staying for good. The prophet of the Golden Calf, Corsairio, was cast from the community and banished to the wilderness.

The Judges.

Wadj (110) to Kasnyia (164).

The tribe got larger, and needed the wisdom and strong leadership of lawgivers. The Judge of his people, Patrua set down the Law of the forum.

The Kings

Sistan (172) to The CNNP (198).

The Judge of his people, Patrua, went into occlusion, and the people become directionless. The Kingdom was established to rejuvenate the tribe.

The Warpath

Quaon (209) to Hispania (307).

The Kingdom went on a warpath, proudly asserting its independence in the Nationstates world, and expanded in territory and population through constant war with its neighbors, the Hittites and Egyptians.

The Babylonian Captivity

Jester (312) to Ryan (375).

A dark period of the forum. AA, CE, Wadj were no longer active.

The Rejuvenation?

Proto7 (376) to present.

AA is back. Promising newcomers have arrived. Will a Judas Maccabeus lead the forum to new heights?
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Jan 17 2008, 07:11 PM
Excellent post Nag.

Ours has clear parallels with the community of ancient Hebrews, the Chosen People of God.

Phew. I was worried for a second that no-one was going to go there - I decided against it... mainly because my sixth and seventh stages were decidedly more downbeat... :P

But it would be nice to get other people's input on what they think about the forum. Whether people feel they fit in the groups I laid out or in Kasnyia's more specific Summer of 69... I mean 05... kinda classification.
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I always looked at it in terms of activity. People who posted a lot RP wise, active in the 'international' scheme of things being the 'oldies' and those not quite there yet being the 'newbies'. And of course, those who have 'retired or are in decline' which should be self explainitory.
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because I'm still here.
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HA!

I rped with all of them, just a wee bit.

1) Wadj
Great guy, I was his sword(For Saxe-Corburg) and his shield(Again for Saxe-Corburg) I helped defend him several times.

2) Patrua
He was one of the best writers to every grace this form, I rped in a war with him. When Scy tried to conquer Wadj and although I did little, I felt honored to have rped with him

3) Catholic Europe
Meh, he was the leader of the most powerful alliance for awhile, which I was in

4) Egyria
Again one fo the best writters to ever write here, but he was a major asshole so... He had a European nation(Prussia) that I helped defeat time and time again

5) Poland
Nice guy, he helped Saxe-Corburg alot

6) Laeplaen
He was a little bit of a jerk but controled the North Sea, and helped Prussia, we met.

7) Xeres and Catalonia
Great guy, shame that some one was a jerk and forced him to leave. I think I only posted(rp wise) with him, to prevent my citizens from going to his olympics.

8) The Resplendent Dawn
Sneaky bastard through you off, he is a slipperly little one...
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I like Nag and TC's clarifications on the generations, they basically build upon what I was trying to say :P. That said, I do like Nag's version that summed up what each group brought to the forum. TC's, while a good analog, is still a bit of a stretch, even for him.
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Jan 17 2008, 08:10 PM
I like Nag and TC's clarifications on the generations, they basically build upon what I was trying to say :P. That said, I do like Nag's version that summed up what each group brought to the forum. TC's, while a good analog, is still a bit of a stretch, even for him.

I think TC should redo the generations to chronicle the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire.
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....Not a bad idea actually, since the eras are created by grouping emperors...
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My post was made in jest. I was basically claiming we are the Chosen People.
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Jan 17 2008, 06:18 PM
Fifth Wave - Reach for the Moon

Quaon (209) to Hispania (307).

Wide bracket - one to encompass those who certainly aren't new to the forum but aren't part of the classic history. These users have grown up with the forum as is. They've made their impacts, their great events, they've added to the In-Character History - but they're playing in the forum created by the Third Wave and they're happy to do so, having not played any other way.

I think I go here, though the user number doesn't reflect it ((Caronicilia account was deleted))
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